I don’t think the Sharks move Hertl without a first coming back. The other center prospect they have, Marat Khusnutdinov might have to be there if Rossi and Boldy aren’t an option. Sharks want RD and C prospects if they get any in a deal.

addison is a RD prospect. I couldn't find Khusnutdinov on Cap friendly. Could do him (instead of Beckman) and Addison plus the 2nds?

I'm thinking this year's 1st + Khovanov, Marat K, or Beckman near the TDL, if MN is looking like it'll pick in the mid-20s. It would be an all in move, with Hertl as a pure rental, and then likely walks as a UFA.

He's on MN's reserve list.

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As a sharks fan I would like Addison, Marat K and a first. Might be high for Hertl as a rental but who knows, could turn into a bidding war.

Other MIN and SJS discussed on some old post:

Marat K (reserve list)
Beckman (could be Addison too I guess)
Rask (cap reason)
1st

for

Hertl (50% retained)

Which sounded like a really fair and mutual agreement in the discussion.

I guess what it boils down to is; whats the price with an extension in place for MIN or without.

I mean I personally want to see Marat K, and Beckman (Addison if not) regardless as I value them more than the first kinda. Like if Hertl comes as a rental (intending to hit the UFA) I wonder if MK, Beckman and a first would happen (I dont think it would).

I wouldn't go near that if I'm MN. Addison is off Limits if I'm MN. He's their best, and only, RD prospect that is close to NHL material.

Okay nice! I like that. I think Hertl fits perfectly on this team as a rental.

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Well it sounds like a lot of their prospects are “off limits” and that doesn’t bode well for offering a competitive package in a trade. I’m sure the sharks would be asking for Boldy or Rossi and if they are off the table they are going to want more.

The price doesn't change. Hertl is a rental nothing more. Any new deal is on the team acquiring him, SJS doesn't get a bonus for that.

I would hope we lose that bidding war, that's way too rich

Players can come with an extension. The part that is disallowed is conditionals with a resign.

If a deal is "in place" with the team acquiring him, there likely would be some adjustments.

I like the fit for Hertl in MIN, I'd like him to do there regardless of a trade or not.

And in any case, Minnesota hasn't gone for rentals, let alone high value rentals, either of the last two years when fighting for a playoff spot. I really, really doubt they decide this year is the year, and I doubt even more that they would include pieces like Addison, Khusnutdinov, 1st round picks, etc. Hertl might fit in Minnesota in a vacuum, but given where this team is at right now and the direction it's heading, he isn't a fit at all.

If I were inclined to make a serious pitch for a rental this year, I might offer Beckman, a top 16 protected 1st, and a 3rd. If that offer doesn't get it done, so be it.

If there’s a deal in place Hertls price is way higher. There’s no way you get a team’s best player who is a center for cheap.

That's why they were conditional picks to begin with. It actually discouraged the teams for re-signing players.

Remember Hertl has only a 3 team trade list (almost a full NTC), so he can kill most any trade from the outset. Look what something like that did for Hall's value (full NTC). It might not be the team with "best" offer that gets Hertl, it might be the team he's willing to goto and a "take it or leave" deal it for SJS.

Yeah but out of teams that can get him with the cause for paying for it:

MIN (hertl said he values winning a cup more than money or what not) - NEEDS a 1C badly
COL (values winning) - could use the rental for cup run/ win and also use the 2C if he stays after this year
MTL (he said he wouldnt mind the east for easier travel to EU, also winning) - could use him but theyre kinda in a log jam so doubtful
OTT (^, winning in the future with him being a key piece) - NEEDS a 1C

Theres not many more teams with both the need and it being worth losing assets. The teams I see being in on him are few and all fit the criteria that he wants while also having plenty of assets. Not many other teams will be in on him and luckily the teams that could be aren't poor. The only other team I see making a case is BOS but they're literally bare bones in assets. Also Hertl also isn't the type of guy to hold out.

How often does a trade happen with a new deal in already in place during the season? Once every couple of years, maybe.

If you're going to look at a cross section of teams that want him, teams that are in a position to get him, teams that have the assets SJ wants, and teams that he'll go to, Minnesota is probably already out of the running.

OTT is the only of one those teams that isn't in cap hell for the nest few years. OTT is also the team that isn't a Playoff team this year. MTL and MN are fringe Playoff teams. COL could try and load up more for the Playoffs, but I don't think it would be for a center unless Kadri or MacK are injured.

Okay, but in this case if Hertl did come with an extension, no matter the team, it would have to be a hefty return to get a player of that quality. He easily would be the 1C in minny. There would have to be a significant return involving a center prospect at least 1 first and more prospects.

If SJ is trading him, it's not gonna matter. If he's willing to sign an extension in SJ, they won't trade him. SJ doesn't dictate if there's an extension or not. That's entirely between Hertl and the team. And SJ doesn't get to decide that the price goes up if the two sides come to an agreement. If you wanna talk about a team paying for the right to talk to him about an extension beforehand, then sure, but you're talking like a 3rd or 4th round pick, not a whole boatload of new high value assets.

I disagree but my issue with the MIN team is the financials which would require moving guys. I don’t think they’re out of the running because they truly need Hertl imo. But they’d have to have a plan already in motion because buying out Suter (not Parise) was a bad idea imo.

Okay but the financials and the quality of the team are exactly why they're out on Hertl. Even if they sign him to an extension, the first four years of the contract, the last few years of his prime, are entirely wasted by a team with 15M in dead cap. A team that's going to be a fringe playoff team barring some miraculous performances by 21 year old guys.

Every team in the league could use Hertl, and Minnesota may need a good center, but that doesn't make the fit any good.

I think that is more of a situational thing than a not wanting rentals. They were not in the Playoffs 2 years ago at the TDL. Last year there just wasn't anything out there they needed as a rental. Anyone with term would have made a bigger mess of the expansion draft than what they had already.

The Carter PIT/LA trade is the only trade that I would have liked MN to make. I think LA tried to do right by the player (expansion draft, team quality, and in the East) rather than take the best offer in that case too.