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22 sept. 2021 à 12 h 11
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We would like a better return for Greenway. A low 1st / early 2nd or a B+ prospect on elc. With Pens I would personally do a Greenway - Blueger swap.
22 sept. 2021 à 12 h 14
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We would like a better return for Greenway. A low 1st / early 2nd or a B+ prospect on elc. With Pens I would personally do a Greenway - Blueger swap.


Poulin is Pittsburgh's best remaining prospect. This is fair.
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22 sept. 2021 à 12 h 17
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Poulin is Pittsburgh's best remaining prospect. This is fair.


He is, but I do not believe in qmjhl stats. Plus, he is a couple of years away. And we need to contend just like Pens.
22 sept. 2021 à 12 h 28
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Quoting: Aero_Astro_Guy
He is, but I do not believe in qmjhl stats. Plus, he is a couple of years away. And we need to contend just like Pens.


We're not contending until two things happen.

1) Rossi is ready to take over that 1C spot, and then has had a year or two to properly settle into it.

2) The Parise and Suter buyouts go down after 4 years.

I'm certain we'll compete for playoffs spots on a regular basis, but we won't be contenders until those two things happen.

You said it yourself, Greenway is worth either a low 1st or a B+ prospect. Poulin is a B+ prospect.
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22 sept. 2021 à 12 h 36
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We're not contending until two things happen.

1) Rossi is ready to take over that 1C spot, and then has had a year or two to properly settle into it.

2) The Parise and Suter buyouts go down after 4 years.

I'm certain we'll compete for playoffs spots on a regular basis, but we won't be contenders until those two things happen.

You said it yourself, Greenway is worth either a low 1st or a B+ prospect. Poulin is a B+ prospect.


I think that if we want to keep our core together, we need to compete now. Kaprizov might be done in 5 years, so is Fiala. We would be in the playoffs without high draft picks, so no outstanding prospects unless Judd Brackett does something exceptional. And this would leave us in a rebuild after rebuild if we are not showing our stars that we are serious. Poulin is good, but Blueger is a proven 3C and an Ek type of player who would allow to move Ek up. Wild would benefit from Ek being in top 6 more than of a good but raw LW prospect. We just need to see beyond the value and also take the needs into account.
22 sept. 2021 à 12 h 37
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I’d do Greenway for Poulin straight up. The Rask cap dump doesn’t need to happen unless somebody wants him.

I think we will see him moved at the deadline regardless.
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I think that if we want to keep our core together, we need to compete now. Kaprizov might be done in 5 years, so is Fiala. We would be in the playoffs without high draft picks, so no outstanding prospects unless Judd Brackett does something exceptional. And this would leave us in a rebuild after rebuild if we are not showing our stars that we are serious.


Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but it’s almost guaranteed Fiala will be moving at the deadline. Probably Greenway as well, they just happen to be the odd guys out.
22 sept. 2021 à 12 h 38
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Quoting: Aero_Astro_Guy
We would like a better return for Greenway. A low 1st / early 2nd or a B+ prospect on elc. With Pens I would personally do a Greenway - Blueger swap.


What from CHI would it take for CHI to get Greenway? Dylan Strome? 2nd rounder?
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22 sept. 2021 à 12 h 40
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What from CHI would it take for CHI to get Greenway? Dylan Strome? 2nd rounder?


Chicago is a tough sell given it’s in division. I think they’d start by asking a 1st. As much as I think Strome would look nice next to Fiala, I don’t think the Wild front office does.
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22 sept. 2021 à 12 h 42
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Quoting: PreemoForGM
What from CHI would it take for CHI to get Greenway? Dylan Strome? 2nd rounder?


Strome is solid (I m not against the trades inside the division. If you wanna win a cup, you should win no matter what). Maybe one of your young defensemen.
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22 sept. 2021 à 12 h 44
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Chicago is a tough sell given it’s in division. I think they’d start by asking a 1st. As much as I think Strome would look nice next to Fiala, I don’t think the Wild front office does.


I was thinking to try to give Strome to Pittsburgh and use the pick plus whatever else from chicagos picks to get Greenway. Although MN is looking to compete I guess and not rebuild so oh well now that I think of it. Division trades don’t happen :/
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22 sept. 2021 à 12 h 46
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I was thinking to try to give Strome to Pittsburgh and use the pick plus whatever else from chicagos picks to get Greenway. Although MN is looking to compete I guess and not rebuild so oh well now that I think of it. Division trades don’t happen :/


Three team trade?
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I was thinking to try to give Strome to Pittsburgh and use the pick plus whatever else from chicagos picks to get Greenway. Although MN is looking to compete I guess and not rebuild so oh well now that I think of it. Division trades don’t happen :/


Three team trade?
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I was thinking to try to give Strome to Pittsburgh and use the pick plus whatever else from chicagos picks to get Greenway. Although MN is looking to compete I guess and not rebuild so oh well now that I think of it. Division trades don’t happen :/


Pick is nice since we don’t have to account for his salary(which is going up after this season) under the cap. Swap for a center or D is just a best case scenario. Poulin is also nice since he is on elc, but I am a fan of a better asset management. Sometimes a player is more attractive than a pick.
22 sept. 2021 à 12 h 49
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I was thinking to try to give Strome to Pittsburgh and use the pick plus whatever else from chicagos picks to get Greenway. Although MN is looking to compete I guess and not rebuild so oh well now that I think of it. Division trades don’t happen :/


This is actually a really great idea. Strome makes sense in PIT and the Wild can replace Greenway internally, so futures work. I just think CHI would need to add something to whatever PIT gives up for Strome. (I don’t think Strome has that much value on the market)
22 sept. 2021 à 13 h 26
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Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but it’s almost guaranteed Fiala will be moving at the deadline. Probably Greenway as well, they just happen to be the odd guys out.


Zuccarello changes to a 10-team NTC after this season. My gut feeling is that Guerin tries to move him and Greenway while holding onto Fiala and Dumba.

That contracts a little high, but after another year with Kaprizov next to him, he shouldn't be too hard to move. Biggest obstacles are going to be that contract and his age, but it should be doable.

Then it just becomes a question of who else to move out. Dumba or Greenway. Top 4 defenseman or middle-six powerforward. No question, you keep the defenseman. Besides, I think Guerin tries to hold onto Dumba just because he's a prime candidate to be willing to take a massive team friendly deal and pay cut to stay on the team on his next extension.

I think Guerin did what he did with Fiala this year only because he wanted to keep him hungry. Fiala has steadily improved bit by bit every year he's been here, and we know he wants to stay long-term. But at this point he's still too inconsistent for both the fans and teams liking, so what does Guerin do? Kid wanted and expected a long-term contract and pretty hefty pay raise to go along with it. But instead Guerin takes him to arbitration to both drive down his price and in order to get him into camp on time, and ultimately signs him to a one year prove it deal. Fiala probably comes in this year pissed off and very likely and finally puts it all together, just as Guerin intended.

Unless he absolutely has to, I'm not so certain Guerin moves Fiala until he can't move two of Zuccarello, Greenway and lastly Dumba first.
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He is, but I do not believe in qmjhl stats. Plus, he is a couple of years away. And we need to contend just like Pens.


Poulin is a B+ prospect and he is likely going to make the team by the deadline so he isn’t a couple years away. He is very close. Might even make it out of camp depending on how good his preseason is. But he, Legare, and Hallander are basically going to play every preseason game and get the most looks. They all make it by the TDL, or next year at the latest.
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22 sept. 2021 à 16 h 53
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It would really have to be like Poulin and a 3rd for Greenway. Heinen has no value, and Rask doesn't have negative value, so there is no reason Minnesota should be giving up the better pick here.
22 sept. 2021 à 17 h 13
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Zuccarello changes to a 10-team NTC after this season. My gut feeling is that Guerin tries to move him and Greenway while holding onto Fiala and Dumba.

That contracts a little high, but after another year with Kaprizov next to him, he shouldn't be too hard to move. Biggest obstacles are going to be that contract and his age, but it should be doable.

Then it just becomes a question of who else to move out. Dumba or Greenway. Top 4 defenseman or middle-six powerforward. No question, you keep the defenseman. Besides, I think Guerin tries to hold onto Dumba just because he's a prime candidate to be willing to take a massive team friendly deal and pay cut to stay on the team on his next extension.

I think Guerin did what he did with Fiala this year only because he wanted to keep him hungry. Fiala has steadily improved bit by bit every year he's been here, and we know he wants to stay long-term. But at this point he's still too inconsistent for both the fans and teams liking, so what does Guerin do? Kid wanted and expected a long-term contract and pretty hefty pay raise to go along with it. But instead Guerin takes him to arbitration to both drive down his price and in order to get him into camp on time, and ultimately signs him to a one year prove it deal. Fiala probably comes in this year pissed off and very likely and finally puts it all together, just as Guerin intended.

Unless he absolutely has to, I'm not so certain Guerin moves Fiala until he can't move two of Zuccarello, Greenway and lastly Dumba first.


Agreed that Greenway moves (hopefully has a big year, earns a huge next contract, and merits a big return). Also agreed that BG wants to keep Dumba, especially on a more team friendly deal, and tries to move Zucc before Fiala.

I’m just not sure when it all goes down, that you can 1.) move Zuccarello before you need to commit to Fiala and 2.) afford to pay Fiala what he will demand, specifically in light of the return he would likely be able to bring back. I don’t believe in the whole “keep him hungry” angle and I think Kirill waiting to sign tied their hands.

I also know I’m in the minority here, but I don’t think Fiala will be the player we think he is when the time to compete rolls around. We will hopefully be in a place where Boldy and Rossi are looking at big money deals before the Parise/Suter buyouts end and I really think the assets you get for him will do more for the Wild to win a cup than Fiala as a player will. If BG manages to continue building for the next 4 years and retain Fiala, that’s GM of the year work. I just don’t see it happening.
22 sept. 2021 à 17 h 19
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Agreed that Greenway moves (hopefully has a big year, earns a huge next contract, and merits a big return). Also agreed that BG wants to keep Dumba, especially on a more team friendly deal, and tries to move Zucc before Fiala.

I’m just not sure when it all goes down, that you can 1.) move Zuccarello before you need to commit to Fiala and 2.) afford to pay Fiala what he will demand, specifically in light of the return he would likely be able to bring back. I don’t believe in the whole “keep him hungry” angle and I think Kirill waiting to sign tied their hands.

I also know I’m in the minority here, but I don’t think Fiala will be the player we think he is when the time to compete rolls around. We will hopefully be in a place where Boldy and Rossi are looking at big money deals before the Parise/Suter buyouts end and I really think the assets you get for him will do more for the Wild to win a cup than Fiala as a player will. If BG manages to continue building for the next 4 years and retain Fiala, that’s GM of the year work. I just don’t see it happening.



He can pretty easily keep Fiala through the next four years, he just has to want to keep Fiala more than he wants to keep Zuccarello, Dumba and Greenway. There is plenty of money for Kaprizov, Fiala, Boldy and Rossi.
22 sept. 2021 à 17 h 27
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He can pretty easily keep Fiala through the next four years, he just has to want to keep Fiala more than he wants to keep Zuccarello, Dumba and Greenway. There is plenty of money for Kaprizov, Fiala, Boldy and Rossi.


There always has to be more than just desire. I’m also not certain Fiala will sign long term when he’s that close to UFA, where he will get the contract he wants. If the Wild were sold on him, they would have locked him up this year given it would have saved a mil or two on the cap.

Yeah, I’d love to have Fiala over the next 4 years. I just wonder if he’s a piece that gets you a cup in that time frame.
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There always has to be more than just desire. I’m also not certain Fiala will sign long term when he’s that close to UFA, where he will get the contract he wants. If the Wild were sold on him, they would have locked him up this year given it would have saved a mil or two on the cap.

Yeah, I’d love to have Fiala over the next 4 years. I just wonder if he’s a piece that gets you a cup in that time frame.
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There always has to be more than just desire. I’m also not certain Fiala will sign long term when he’s that close to UFA, where he will get the contract he wants. If the Wild were sold on him, they would have locked him up this year given it would have saved a mil or two on the cap.

Yeah, I’d love to have Fiala over the next 4 years. I just wonder if he’s a piece that gets you a cup in that time frame.


MacKinnon couldn't bring us a Cup in the next four years. The team just isn't there. That's not to say we should just tear it all down in the meantime. And yeah, Fiala has to want to sign too, but he was willing to this summer. If his goal was getting to UFA as fast as possible he would have taken the two year arbitration contract. He's willing to sign long term, but Guerin isn't willing to go there, at least not yet. Whatever reason for that, we all have theories, but that doesn't change the fact that if Guerin wants Fiala, he can keep him long term.
 
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