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Czech replacement at deadline

Créé par: BrianLeeHOF
Équipe: 2021-22 Bruins de Boston
Date de création initiale: 20 sept. 2021
Publié: 20 sept. 2021
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Transactions
BOS
  1. Hertl, Tomas (1 500 000 $ retained)
SJS
  1. Beecher, John [Liste de réserve]
  2. DeBrusk, Jake
  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2022 (BOS)
  4. Choix de 2e ronde en 2023 (BOS)
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2023
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2024
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2181 500 000 $79 585 674 $1 956 507 $125 000 $1 914 326 $

Formation

Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
Logo de Bruins de Boston
6 125 000 $6 125 000 $
AG
NMC
UFA - 4
Logo de Bruins de Boston
6 875 000 $6 875 000 $
C
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 1
Logo de Bruins de Boston
6 666 667 $6 666 667 $
AD
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 2
Logo de Bruins de Boston
6 000 000 $6 000 000 $
AG
NMC
UFA - 4
Logo de Sharks de San Jose
4 125 000 $4 125 000 $
C
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo de Bruins de Boston
3 100 000 $3 100 000 $
AD
UFA - 2
Logo de Bruins de Boston
3 800 000 $3 800 000 $
AG, C, AD
NMC
UFA - 2
Logo de Bruins de Boston
2 375 000 $2 375 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 2
Logo de Bruins de Boston
5 250 000 $5 250 000 $
C, AD
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 5
Logo de Bruins de Boston
1 050 000 $1 050 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 2
Logo de Bruins de Boston
1 750 000 $1 750 000 $
AG, C
UFA - 2
Logo de Bruins de Boston
1 350 000 $1 350 000 $
AD, C
UFA - 2
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
Logo de Bruins de Boston
3 687 500 $3 687 500 $
DG
UFA - 3
Logo de Bruins de Boston
4 900 000 $4 900 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
Logo de Bruins de Boston
5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
G
NMC
UFA - 4
Logo de Bruins de Boston
3 000 000 $3 000 000 $
DG
M-NTC
UFA - 3
Logo de Bruins de Boston
4 100 000 $4 100 000 $
DD
UFA - 6
Logo de Bruins de Boston
925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance125 000 $$125K)
G
RFA - 2
Logo de Bruins de Boston
3 000 000 $3 000 000 $
DG
UFA - 3
Logo de Bruins de Boston
1 000 000 $1 000 000 $
DD
UFA - 2
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
Logo de Bruins de Boston
800 000 $800 000 $
AD, C
UFA - 1
Logo de Bruins de Boston
2 750 000 $2 750 000 $
DG
UFA - 2

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20 sept. 2021 à 8 h 54
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Think thats fair
20 sept. 2021 à 9 h 28
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Just here waiting for Sharks fans to demand 1st + Lysell ++++
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20 sept. 2021 à 9 h 29
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Just here waiting for Sharks fans to demand 1st + Lysell ++++


With McAvoy included
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20 sept. 2021 à 9 h 31
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Decline. We don't need anymore underachieving wingers, Beecher is not a top prospect and the 1st is going to be late-round. Easy no.
20 sept. 2021 à 9 h 39
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Quoting: Jupetto
Decline. We don't need anymore underachieving wingers, Beecher is not a top prospect and the 1st is going to be late-round. Easy no.


If Hertle does indeed want out because of Kane and won't resign what do think is his market value as a trade deadline rental?
20 sept. 2021 à 9 h 47
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If Hertle does indeed want out because of Kane and won't resign what do think is his market value as a trade deadline rental?


If Hertl is traded, better offers will be out there. Boston will not give up Lysell so why would we give them our best player in his prime? Silly to me.
20 sept. 2021 à 10 h 24
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If Hertle does indeed want out because of Kane and won't resign what do think is his market value as a trade deadline rental?


The closest comp I can think of is Mark Stone. Now Stone is a more complete player than Hertl, but centers are a premium in the NHL so we'll call it even (still slight edge to Stone IMO though). in 2019 Stone was traded for:

Oscar Lindberg - 27yr old career 4th liner
Erik Brannstrom - 15OA pick in 2017 NHL Draft - Smaller LD that projected at worst as a top 4 d-man
2020 2nd round pick (DAL) - ended up being the 2nd to last pick in the round
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20 sept. 2021 à 11 h 11
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The closest comp I can think of is Mark Stone. Now Stone is a more complete player than Hertl, but centers are a premium in the NHL so we'll call it even (still slight edge to Stone IMO though). in 2019 Stone was traded for:

Oscar Lindberg - 27yr old career 4th liner
Erik Brannstrom - 15OA pick in 2017 NHL Draft - Smaller LD that projected at worst as a top 4 d-man
2020 2nd round pick (DAL) - ended up being the 2nd to last pick in the round


IMO, a better comp would be the 2nd Matt Duchene trade between Ottawa and Columbus.



Unlike Stone, both Hertl and Duchene are very similar type of players, both play the same position, same cap hit and are/were pending UFAs.

What Ottawa got in the 2nd Matt Duchene trade was a 1st round pick, two middling prospects and a conditional 1st that never materialized.

I think something like that in a trade between Boston and San Jose over Tomas Hertl is more than fair for both sides.



Within the last week, I proposed a trade where San Jose is arguably getting a return on Hertl from Boston than Ottawa got on Duchene from Columbus.

I also used a rough template for what Kevin Kurz said was what the Sharks wanted for Hertl.

And of course, I took a lot of heat for it frown



https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/2782868

https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/2783152

https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/2789145
20 sept. 2021 à 11 h 14
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Quoting: ON3M4N
The closest comp I can think of is Mark Stone. Now Stone is a more complete player than Hertl, but centers are a premium in the NHL so we'll call it even (still slight edge to Stone IMO though). in 2019 Stone was traded for:

Oscar Lindberg - 27yr old career 4th liner
Erik Brannstrom - 15OA pick in 2017 NHL Draft - Smaller LD that projected at worst as a top 4 d-man
2020 2nd round pick (DAL) - ended up being the 2nd to last pick in the round


Everyone agrees that was a garbage trade by the Sens. Sharks are not looking to get a minimal return for a 1C
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20 sept. 2021 à 12 h 26
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Everyone agrees that was a garbage trade by the Sens. Sharks are not looking to get a minimal return for a 1C


People can think what they want, but GM's are going to use it as a comp (along with the Duchene deal like @sensonfire mentioned). If Hertl is traded at the deadline I think SJS fans are going to be disappointed with the actual return.
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20 sept. 2021 à 12 h 36
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Quoting: ON3M4N
The closest comp I can think of is Mark Stone. Now Stone is a more complete player than Hertl, but centers are a premium in the NHL so we'll call it even (still slight edge to Stone IMO though). in 2019 Stone was traded for:

Oscar Lindberg - 27yr old career 4th liner
Erik Brannstrom - 15OA pick in 2017 NHL Draft - Smaller LD that projected at worst as a top 4 d-man
2020 2nd round pick (DAL) - ended up being the 2nd to last pick in the round


A) That trade was generally agreed upon as an underpay for Stone (look at the vote on the trade page on CF for confirmation)

B) You're basically saying that Lysell + 2022 2nd + like Lazar is fair in this instance? If there's a bidding war, I'm not sure why upping it to a 1st is all that big of a deal since it's presumably gonna be a late 1st anyway.
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Everyone agrees that was a garbage trade by the Sens. Sharks are not looking to get a minimal return for a 1C


the similarity here is that vegas was the only team stone wanted to play for. hertl’s a UFA next year with a restrictive NTC, he can restrict trade to just three teams, and no one’s going to give up a big package for a player that won’t re-sign. if hertl really wants to leave SJ and won’t re-sign, i think the stone trade’s prob around what they can realistically get
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20 sept. 2021 à 13 h 24
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A) That trade was generally agreed upon as an underpay for Stone (look at the vote on the trade page on CF for confirmation)

B) You're basically saying that Lysell + 2022 2nd + like Lazar is fair in this instance? If there's a bidding war, I'm not sure why upping it to a 1st is all that big of a deal since it's presumably gonna be a late 1st anyway.


A) LMAO ya because CF is a sane and rational place to evaluate things

B) Not what I was saying at all, I was just giving a comp I could think of to the person that asked.
20 sept. 2021 à 20 h 28
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Quoting: ON3M4N
A) LMAO ya because CF is a sane and rational place to evaluate things

B) Not what I was saying at all, I was just giving a comp I could think of to the person that asked.


i can't wait for the TDL when hertl finally makes it clear he will not be coming back to san jose and wants out and san jose ends up having to sell short and all these san jose fans look like idiots for declining these more then far offers. Would make me laugh even more if he signed with boston as a ufa and we got him for free without losing any assets
21 sept. 2021 à 16 h 9
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i can't wait for the TDL when hertl finally makes it clear he will not be coming back to san jose and wants out and san jose ends up having to sell short and all these san jose fans look like idiots for declining these more then far offers. Would make me laugh even more if he signed with boston as a ufa and we got him for free without losing any assets


If DS had just used a smidgen of forward thinking this off season when he put Boston tight against the cap for the next 2 years with his UFA signings there would be a good chance of being able to be in on Hertl when he becomes a UFA instead of trading assets they can ill afford to get rid of to acquire him now. As it stands signing McAvoy and Bergeron if he still wants to play past this year AND signing Hertl as a UFA will be extremely difficult to do.
 
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