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Créé par: Radu47
Date de création initiale: sep 20, 2021
Publié: 20 sep à 5 h 51
Équipe: 2021-22 Avalanche du Colorado
Explications
MIN do Colorado a favour for their generous trade return by signing Kaprizov to a 1 year 10M deal that they immediately move for said generous return
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
Kaprizov, Kirill15 000 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
Demers, Jason1750 000 $
Staal, Eric11 500 000 $
Vatanen, Sami11 500 000 $
Gustafsson, Erik11 500 000 $
Zajac, Travis1850 000 $
Transactions
COL
  1. Kaprizov, Kirill [Droits de RFA]
Détails additionnels:
Byram, AN, 2023 1st
For Kaprizov himself
2024 2nd for NJ to
Retain 50% of his
10M 1 year deal
MIN
  1. Byram, Bowen
  2. Newhook, Alex
  3. 2023 1e round pick (COL)
  4. 2024 2e round pick (COL)
Détails additionnels:
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COL
  1. Fabbri, Robby (950 000 $ retained)
Détails additionnels:
3rd rounders to retain & take Comph
DET
  1. Compher, J.T.
  2. Stienburg, Matthew [Liste de réserve]
  3. 2023 3e round pick (COL)
Rachats de contrats
  • Erik Johnson: 2 000 000 $
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
2022
COL
COL
COL
COL
2023
COL
COL
COL
COL
2024
COL
COL
COL
COL
COL
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2381 500 000 $81 479 796 $1 741 463 $425 000 $20 204 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
Kaprizov, Kirill
5 000 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 5
COL
MacKinnon, Nathan
6 300 000 $
C, AD
NTC
UFA - 2
COL
Rantanen, Mikko
9 250 000 $
AD
UFA - 4
COL
Nichushkin, Valeri
2 500 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
COL
Landeskog, Gabriel
7 000 000 $
AG, C
NMC
UFA - 8
COL
Burakovsky, André
4 900 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
DET
Fabbri, Robby
2 000 000 $
AG, C
UFA - 1
COL
Kadri, Nazem
4 500 000 $
C
NTC
UFA - 1
COL
Jost, Tyson
2 000 000 $
C, AG, AD
RFA - 2
COL
Helm, Darren
1 000 000 $
C, AG, AD
UFA - 1
Staal, Eric
1 500 000 $
C
UFA
COL
Kaut, Martin
863 333 $
AD
RFA - 2
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
COL
Toews, Devon
4 100 000 $
DG
UFA - 3
COL
Makar, Cale
9 000 000 $
DD
UFA - 6
COL
Kuemper, Darcy
3 500 000 $
G
UFA - 1
COL
Girard, Samuel
5 000 000 $
DG
UFA - 6
Vatanen, Sami
1 500 000 $
DG/DD
UFA
COL
Francouz, Pavel
2 000 000 $
G
UFA - 1
COL
Murray, Ryan
2 000 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
Gustafsson, Erik
1 500 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 1
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
COL
MacDonald, Jacob
725 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
Demers, Jason
750 000 $
DD
UFA
Zajac, Travis
850 000 $
C
UFA

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20 sep à 6 h 08
#1
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Kaprizov's QO for the next season would be $10m. That would leave COL with $27m to sign 2 goalies, 3 d-men, 6 FWDs and pressbox guys.
20 sep à 6 h 44
#2
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kaprizov's not worth $10m
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20 sep à 6 h 47
#3
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A 3rd round pick isn't going to get you both a retention and buy two years of cap dump and Stienburg isn't going to get you Fabbri.
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20 sep à 9 h 01
#4
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For that price, Minnesota would retain for you. That is an absolute no brainer.
20 sep à 9 h 06
#5
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I mean, yes, the price is right, but... The last place where we would trade our young superstar is to a rival like the Avs
20 sep à 10 h 19
#6
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Absolutely not.

Kaprizov isnt taking Landeskogs spot on the top line, he wont sign for that contract,,,and any team would be stupid to offer him that, they arent making Lnady a 2C bc he has never played centre in his NHL career and they arent trading Byram and Newhook for a guy who isnt a franchise corner stone for the Avs.

Kaprizov got shut down hard in the playoffs, hes not getting that type of return
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20 sep à 10 h 45
#7
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No
20 sep à 10 h 50
#8
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Quoting: Billy12Bob
A 3rd round pick isn't going to get you both a retention and buy two years of cap dump and Stienburg isn't going to get you Fabbri.


I agree and I'd be impressed if Stienburg plays more than 10 games in the NHL. But it doesn't matter Byram and Newhook are making less than a million each for the next 2 seasons so why trade trade them for Kaprizov who is threatening to go to the KHL if he doesn't get enough money. In my opinion Colorado is much better off without a player that cares more about money than his team.
20 sep à 10 h 51
#9
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Quoting: EccE
I mean, yes, the price is right, but... The last place where we would trade our young superstar is to a rival like the Avs


If you mean that is a massive ass overpay yeah. Kaprisov is a wing, got his ass **** down in the playoffs and is 24. The whole Kaprisov is some sort of super star is so ridiculous he didn’t even average a point a game and he is never going to get to play a season where half of his games are against AZ, LAK, ANA, and SJS. I mean for ffs you think the guy is worth a #1 dman, a top C prospect and a 1st. By the time they are 24 Byram AND Newhook will be better than him. The price is right GTFAOH.
20 sep à 10 h 52
#10
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Quoting: DirtyDangle
kaprizov's not worth $10m

Or that package.
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20 sep à 11 h 40
#11
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Quoting: Xqb15a
If you mean that is a massive ass overpay yeah. Kaprisov is a wing, got his ass **** down in the playoffs and is 24. The whole Kaprisov is some sort of super star is so ridiculous he didn’t even average a point a game and he is never going to get to play a season where half of his games are against AZ, LAK, ANA, and SJS. I mean for ffs you think the guy is worth a #1 dman, a top C prospect and a 1st. By the time they are 24 Byram AND Newhook will be better than him. The price is right GTFAOH.


Take a breath man. It’s just an ACGM.
20 sep à 11 h 42
#12
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Quoting: drmantalban
Take a breath man. It’s just an ACGM.


bad trades are bad trades
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20 sep à 11 h 45
#13
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Quoting: coga16
bad trades are bad trades


*fake bad trades

I also never said this was good. Just a reminder that it’s all just for fun fan discussion. Nothing here is worth getting the blood pressure up over.
20 sep à 11 h 52
#14
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Quoting: drmantalban
*fake bad trades

I also never said this was good. Just a reminder that it’s all just for fun fan discussion. Nothing here is worth getting the blood pressure up over.


And your just assuming Xqb1 is "getting his blood pressure up"? Bc guys give a solid response about how a trade is bad doesnt mean they are raging. Bad trades are bad trades and are easy to tear apart
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20 sep à 11 h 56
#15
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Quoting: coga16
And your just assuming Xqb1 is "getting his blood pressure up"? Bc guys give a solid response about how a trade is bad doesnt mean they are raging. Bad trades are bad trades and are easy to tear apart


Solid response? His post is littered with opinion and slanged up profanity. I wouldn’t exactly call that a compelling argument.
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20 sep à 11 h 57
#16
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Quoting: Xqb15a
If you mean that is a massive ass overpay yeah. Kaprisov is a wing, got his ass **** down in the playoffs and is 24. The whole Kaprisov is some sort of super star is so ridiculous he didn’t even average a point a game and he is never going to get to play a season where half of his games are against AZ, LAK, ANA, and SJS. I mean for ffs you think the guy is worth a #1 dman, a top C prospect and a 1st. By the time they are 24 Byram AND Newhook will be better than him. The price is right GTFAOH.


OK, there is a lot to unpack here.
A) I don't understand what GTFAOH means.
B) Byram and Newhook are prospects. They might be as good as Kaprizov when they are 24, but that's just promise until that actually happens.
C) Kaprizov was 8th in goals this year and averaged nearly a PPG, when Victor Rask was his center. His skills are unbelievable, and he has the "clutch-gen" only few others do. He IS a superstar, no matter how you look at it.
D) He was somewhat shutdown in the playoffs by a very good Knights team, plus he had no backup. It was his first ever playoffs, so give him a break.
E) Kaprizov is not a superstar, but Byram is already a number one D-man? That's wild. Plus, I personally think Newhook ends up being a wing in the NHL and your 1st round pick is likely in the 28-32 range, so not that high.
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20 sep à 12 h 04
#17
MNBassman
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Quoting: Xqb15a
If you mean that is a massive ass overpay yeah. Kaprisov is a wing, got his ass **** down in the playoffs and is 24. The whole Kaprisov is some sort of super star is so ridiculous he didn’t even average a point a game and he is never going to get to play a season where half of his games are against AZ, LAK, ANA, and SJS. I mean for ffs you think the guy is worth a #1 dman, a top C prospect and a 1st. By the time they are 24 Byram AND Newhook will be better than him. The price is right GTFAOH.


Watch him play first - open your mouth second!
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20 sep à 15 h 04
#18
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Quoting: MNBassman
Watch him play first - open your mouth second!


8gp, 7 points, -7 vs the avs. would like to see him more often.
20 sep à 15 h 11
#19
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Quoting: EccE
I mean, yes, the price is right, but... The last place where we would trade our young superstar is to a rival like the Avs


**** that, for Byram, Newhook and a 1st I'll drive him to Colorado myself
20 sep à 15 h 50
#20
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Quoting: DirtyDangle
8gp, 7 points, -7 vs the avs. would like to see him more often.


Ah yes, the classical +/- which gives us great insight to every defensive metric ever.
20 sep à 18 h 16
#21
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Quoting: EccE
OK, there is a lot to unpack here.
A) I don't understand what GTFAOH means.
B) Byram and Newhook are prospects. They might be as good as Kaprizov when they are 24, but that's just promise until that actually happens.
C) Kaprizov was 8th in goals this year and averaged nearly a PPG, when Victor Rask was his center. His skills are unbelievable, and he has the "clutch-gen" only few others do. He IS a superstar, no matter how you look at it.
D) He was somewhat shutdown in the playoffs by a very good Knights team, plus he had no backup. It was his first ever playoffs, so give him a break.
E) Kaprizov is not a superstar, but Byram is already a number one D-man? That's wild. Plus, I personally think Newhook ends up being a wing in the NHL and your 1st round pick is likely in the 28-32 range, so not that high.


Byram at 19 played top 4 minutes on a Stanley cup contender before getting hurt and then had crazy good metrics for a 19 yr old.

Get real with that ppg in the weak ass west during the Covid season like he was a super star, he put up Landeskog numbers and then DISAPPEARED in the playoffs 3 pts in 7 games and a -3. Landeskog wouldn’t net that package so I’m sure as hell knowing nobody in the Avs organization is going to pay that. And as for Newhook on the wing you obviously haven’t watched him play. Seriously congratulations for the most outrageous statement regarding an Avs trade.

Ridiculous.
20 sep à 18 h 18
#22
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Quoting: MNBassman
Watch him play first - open your mouth second!


Really that’s what you are going with? I watched probably half of his season and every single playoff game. How about you take off your homer hat and recognize 7 games 3 points, -3 rating in the playoffs. But yeah he wants $9M. Enjoy that.
20 sep à 18 h 26
#23
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Quoting: drmantalban
Solid response? His post is littered with opinion and slanged up profanity. I wouldn’t exactly call that a compelling argument.


So how about this?

Would you trade a guy you recently took 4 overall who as a 19 yr old played top 4 minutes and had top pairing metrics, along with your top center prospect who was frosh of the year in NCAA, managed a ppg in, both guys rated as top 10 prospects in the entire league, for a 24 yr old winger that disappeared in the playoffs and wants 9M?

Heck no but then I’m sure you’ll rag on my run on sentence above next.
20 sep à 18 h 39
#24
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Quoting: Xqb15a
So how about this?

Would you trade a guy you recently took 4 overall who as a 19 yr old played top 4 minutes and had top pairing metrics, along with your top center prospect who was frosh of the year in NCAA, managed a ppg in, both guys rated as top 10 prospects in the entire league, for a 24 yr old winger that disappeared in the playoffs and wants 9M?

Heck no but then I’m sure you’ll rag on my run on sentence above next.


Oh the trade is lopsided. I never said otherwise. MIN takes takes this 10/10 times, and Colorado should decline without question.

I didn’t actually disagree with your overall point, I just thought you were being a hothead for no real reason. It was less about you and more this site. It’s like pulling teeth to try and have any real discussion around trade values. 90% is just “So aND sO HaNgS uP on YoU LoLz” .

So yes I’m sorry if I singled you out. I just think it’s refreshing when ppl propose original ideas, regardless of how far fetched or skewed in value they are.
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20 sep à 18 h 42
#25
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Quoting: EccE
Ah yes, the classical +/- which gives us great insight to every defensive metric ever.


ya he was a putz against the avs.
 
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