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Looking for a Young Center for Kaprizov

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Équipe: 2021-22 Wild du Minnesota
Date de création initiale: 17 sept. 2021
Publié: 17 sept. 2021
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  1. Hischier, Nico
  2. Hughes, Jack
  3. Mercer, Dawson
  4. Thompson, Tyce
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17 sept. 2021 à 10 h 49
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I don't think you are getting Hughes or Hischier
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17 sept. 2021 à 10 h 50
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Hischier and Thompson is the only viable possibility, doubt NJ wants to do it any way
17 sept. 2021 à 10 h 51
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The title made me think you were trading for a young center to support Kaprizov, I was a little surprised to see him being the centerpiece of the trade lol
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17 sept. 2021 à 10 h 52
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This trade is horrible for NJ
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17 sept. 2021 à 10 h 53
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This trade is horrible for NJ


Explain please
17 sept. 2021 à 10 h 54
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Explain please


He likely didn’t read and assumes you’re asking for all of those pieces
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17 sept. 2021 à 10 h 56
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Explain please


Pavel Zacha fall automatically 1st center of the Devils. Thats horrible for them even if they have Kaprisov. They reverse their rebuild in doing this
17 sept. 2021 à 10 h 56
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Quoting: drmantalban
He likely didn’t read and assumes you’re asking for all of those pieces


Oh s..... u right sorry
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17 sept. 2021 à 10 h 58
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Jack and Nico are both untouchable
Mercer is basically off limits too
Thompson could work
Zacha is another option, but it's unlikely the Devils trade him

Best option at a young center is Eichel
17 sept. 2021 à 10 h 59
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Hughes, Hischier are staying in New Jersey. Mercer likely stays too and eventually becomes 3C.

Now, Tyce Thompson is very much available.
And if we can somehow turn him into Kaprizov....I'm listening. grimace
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17 sept. 2021 à 11 h 0
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In any Kaprizov proposals I’ve done, I’ve targeted a base of 3 1sts, but that involves retaining 50% and taking an anchor back.

Neither of those are really necessary for NJD, so it’s a little tougher of a sell. I would probably go for Mercer + 1st + 2nd, but I’m not super comfortable with that return and I’m sure NJ will say heck no. I’m struggling to find an overlap that works for both.
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17 sept. 2021 à 11 h 3
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Honestly, the best trade target from NJD (and plays center) is probably Janne Kuokkanen.
Bit of a gamble, but he won't hurt you.

If there were a Kuok+ for Fiala scenario, that would be ideal.
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17 sept. 2021 à 11 h 7
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Don't see either being available
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17 sept. 2021 à 11 h 9
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Quoting: NHLfan10506
Honestly, the best trade target from NJD (and plays center) is probably Janne Kuokkanen.
Bit of a gamble, but he won't hurt you.

If there were a Kuok+ for Fiala scenario, that would be ideal.


Ideal for NJ yes. Very bad for MIN. Kuok at 23 isn’t exactly a spring chicken, so that + would need to be pretty significant for MIN to consider that.
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17 sept. 2021 à 11 h 15
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Ideal for NJ yes. Very bad for MIN. Kuok at 23 isn’t exactly a spring chicken, so that + would need to be pretty significant for MIN to consider that.


For Kaprizov, I am guessing the + would have to be Holtz
For Fiala, maybe Boqvist?
17 sept. 2021 à 11 h 20
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For Kaprizov, I am guessing the + would have to be Holtz
For Fiala, maybe Boqvist?


Kuok + Holtz is not even close for Kaprizov.
Kuok + Boqvist is also not even close for Fiala.

I’m not sure if that’s what you were saying, or if I’m misunderstanding, but MIN certainly needs more than that.
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17 sept. 2021 à 11 h 21
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Kuok + Holtz is not even close for Kaprizov.
Kuok + Boqvist is also not even close for Fiala.

I’m not sure if that’s what you were saying, or if I’m misunderstanding, but MIN certainly needs more than that.

Holtz and Zacha gor Kaprizov?
17 sept. 2021 à 11 h 22
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Holtz and Zacha?


For Kaprizov? It’s a no from me. Others can disagree, but that’s selling very low IMO.
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17 sept. 2021 à 11 h 23
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For Kaprizov? It’s a no from me. Others can disagree, but that’s selling very low IMO.


What would you demand in return?
17 sept. 2021 à 11 h 23
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For Kaprizov? It’s a no from me. Others can disagree, but that’s selling very low IMO.

Add a 1st from NJ?
17 sept. 2021 à 11 h 24
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Explain please


Yeah you destroy their center depth. They finally started to build the team and went with C's you gut the team and as said, out the guy who was their best scorer (@ wing bc he sucked at C) as their 1C. The players coming back are great but now we start all over again. Fitz is a proven sniper and a #3 RHD away from making this team very deep and built for competitive for a handful of years, he's never do this. As was noted go get Jack E and give up some of what you suggested to Jersey
17 sept. 2021 à 11 h 25
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What would you demand in return?


I don’t think there’s a great fit with NJ, because I’m pretty firmly in the camp that you’d maximize Kaps return by dealing him with retention.

But to answer your question, Mercer + 1st + 2nd gets the convo started with me.
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17 sept. 2021 à 11 h 25
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I feel like Hughes and Mercer for Kaprizov and Greenway works.
17 sept. 2021 à 11 h 34
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Ideal for NJ yes. Very bad for MIN. Kuok at 23 isn’t exactly a spring chicken, so that + would need to be pretty significant for MIN to consider that.


Kuokkanen is younger than Kaprizov.
And only one of these guys is looking for huge, long-term investment.

Quoting: drmantalban
Kuok + Holtz is not even close for Kaprizov.
Kuok + Boqvist is also not even close for Fiala.

I’m not sure if that’s what you were saying, or if I’m misunderstanding, but MIN certainly needs more than that.


That is what I am saying.
Kuokkanen started last year on 4th line, worked his way up to Hughes line. So people that just look at his point totals often don’t get full picture. Very few holes in his game. And the points will come. But if that’s not your cup of tea, no whoop.

Quoting: MNBassman
Holtz and Zacha gor Kaprizov?


Close, but probably would lean against it.
Knowing what Kaprizov wants in a contract (and what Zacha will want too) probably makes the call here.

Say, Kap wants $9 x 6 and Zacha wants $5 x 8.
I would do it.

If Kap wants $11 x 8 and Zacha wants $4 x 5.
I would probably pass.
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17 sept. 2021 à 11 h 35
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Quoting: MNBassman
I feel like Hughes and Mercer for Kaprizov and Greenway works.


I think, if you reasonably believe Hughes will be at least as good as Kaprizov is, or better, then you get an extra four years of him, especially with Kaprizov's contract issues. I think Mercer is more valuable than Greenway as well. If NJ was closer to competing it might work, but they're not close to competing either, so the extra years are valuable.
 
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