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Équipe: 2021-22 Oilers d'Edmonton
Date de création initiale: 17 sept. 2021
Publié: 17 sept. 2021
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Transactions
EDM
  1. Lindholm, Hampus (2 602 223 $ retained)
  2. Terry, Troy
ANA
  1. Yamamoto, Kailer [Droits de RFA]
  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2022 (EDM)
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2024
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2281 500 000 $78 447 523 $669 339 $907 500 $3 052 477 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
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5 500 000 $5 500 000 $
AD, AG
NMC
UFA - 7
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12 500 000 $12 500 000 $
C
UFA - 5
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1 175 000 $1 175 000 $
AD
UFA - 1
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5 125 000 $5 125 000 $
AG, C
NMC
UFA - 8
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8 500 000 $8 500 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 4
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1 450 000 $1 450 000 $
AD
UFA - 2
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2 750 000 $2 750 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 3
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834 167 $834 167 $ (Bonis de performance57 500 $$58K)
C
RFA - 1
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3 200 000 $3 200 000 $
AD
UFA - 3
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850 000 $850 000 $
AG, C, AD
UFA - 2
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1 250 000 $1 250 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 2
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1 500 000 $1 500 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
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5 600 000 $5 600 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
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4 500 000 $4 500 000 $
DD
UFA - 3
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2 200 000 $2 200 000 $
G
UFA - 2
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555 $555 $
DG
UFA - 1
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3 250 000 $3 250 000 $
DD
UFA - 4
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4 500 000 $4 500 000 $
G
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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5 538 462 $5 538 462 $
DG
NMC
UFA - 2
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863 333 $863 333 $ (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
DD
RFA - 2
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
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1 250 000 $1 250 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 1
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4 167 000 $4 167 000 $
DG
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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750 000 $750 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 1

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17 sept. 2021 à 2 h 59
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That might get Lindholm but not Terry too. Also Terry might be better than Yamamoto. Played lesser competition with worse teammates but his analytics are better.
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17 sept. 2021 à 3 h 53
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That might get Lindholm but not Terry too. Also Terry might be better than Yamamoto. Played lesser competition with worse teammates but his analytics are better.


The year before this, Yamamoto was nuts. He certainly is more valuable than Terry and has more potential. But, I am willing to balance the package. What's necessary?
17 sept. 2021 à 7 h 4
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That deal would be very interesting to look at before the Keith trade but I don’t see it happening now.
17 sept. 2021 à 7 h 47
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The year before this, Yamamoto was nuts. He certainly is more valuable than Terry and has more potential. But, I am willing to balance the package. What's necessary?


Take out Terry.
17 sept. 2021 à 8 h 5
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Take out Terry.


If you think you're getting Yamamoto + a 1st for a Lindholm rental, you're crazy.
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17 sept. 2021 à 8 h 38
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If you think you're getting Yamamoto + a 1st for a Lindholm rental, you're crazy.


I meant with an extension in place. Terry wouldn't be traded in a Lindholm trade. It just wouldn't make sense. Possible it's an overpay, but I just wanted to say that Terry wouldn't be included.
17 sept. 2021 à 10 h 32
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Yamamoto is more valuable to edmonton because of what his cap hit will be.
17 sept. 2021 à 12 h 36
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If you think you're getting Yamamoto + a 1st for a Lindholm rental, you're crazy.


Did you not just want Risto get 13 overall, young NHL roster player and a 2nd? If you don’t think the ducks could get Yamamoto and a late 1st for Lindholm you’re crazy.
17 sept. 2021 à 18 h 27
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Did you not just want Risto get 13 overall, young NHL roster player and a 2nd? If you don’t think the ducks could get Yamamoto and a late 1st for Lindholm you’re crazy.


Hagg doesn't have anywhere near the value of Yamamoto, and that was a crazy overpay. If you want that kind of return, call Philadelphia. You aren't getting Yamamoto + a 1st from Edmonton.
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17 sept. 2021 à 18 h 37
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Did you not just want Risto get 13 overall, young NHL roster player and a 2nd? If you don’t think the ducks could get Yamamoto and a late 1st for Lindholm you’re crazy.


You're undervaluing Yama by a lot tbh
17 sept. 2021 à 19 h 24
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Hagg doesn't have anywhere near the value of Yamamoto, and that was a crazy overpay. If you want that kind of return, call Philadelphia. You aren't getting Yamamoto + a 1st from Edmonton.


It doesn’t matter that you think it was a massive overpay. It set the market. Yamamoto is better than Hagg but he’s not pick a 2nd plus the difference in 7+ spots in a 1st round better. And Lindholm is miles better than Risto.
17 sept. 2021 à 19 h 29
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You're undervaluing Yama by a lot tbh


No you guys are undervaluing Lindholm. Risto got 13 Hagg and a 2nd. Lindholm is way better than Risto.

The market for D men was set. It’ll take a ton to get Lindholm.

Also you guys are undervaluing Terry. He starts to finish and he becomes a legit two-way 2nd line winger.
17 sept. 2021 à 19 h 33
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It doesn’t matter that you think it was a massive overpay. It set the market. Yamamoto is better than Hagg but he’s not pick a 2nd plus the difference in 7+ spots in a 1st round better. And Lindholm is miles better than Risto.


"It set the market"

Edmonton is not in the market.
17 sept. 2021 à 19 h 43
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No you guys are undervaluing Lindholm. Risto got 13 Hagg and a 2nd. Lindholm is way better than Risto.

The market for D men was set. It’ll take a ton to get Lindholm.

Also you guys are undervaluing Terry. He starts to finish and he becomes a legit two-way 2nd line winger.


Lindholm is very valuable, yes. But just because one team overpays for a player doesn't mean its the market. You refuse to see beyond the Ristolainen deal. GMs don't trade simply by saying "oh but he got this, therefore I will get that". Look past Risto being overpaid to death.
17 sept. 2021 à 20 h 15
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Lindholm is very valuable, yes. But just because one team overpays for a player doesn't mean its the market. You refuse to see beyond the Ristolainen deal. GMs don't trade simply by saying "oh but he got this, therefore I will get that". Look past Risto being overpaid to death.


You can’t look past the Risto deal or the Jones deal. That’s not how real life works. GMBM will point to those deals and say my player is better so you better pony up.
17 sept. 2021 à 20 h 16
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"It set the market"

Edmonton is not in the market.


So I guess the Edmonton Oilers are no longer apart of the National Hockey League.
17 sept. 2021 à 20 h 44
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You can’t look past the Risto deal or the Jones deal. That’s not how real life works. GMBM will point to those deals and say my player is better so you better pony up.


He can try playing that game until the deadline comes and nobody gives his ask. Then he'd lose his guy in FA. I know this trade isn't put on the timeline of the deadline, but he doesn't have the same bartering rights as someone with term.
17 sept. 2021 à 20 h 54
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He can try playing that game until the deadline comes and nobody gives his ask. Then he'd lose his guy in FA. I know this trade isn't put on the timeline of the deadline, but he doesn't have the same bartering rights as someone with term.


Risto and Jones didn’t have term. Idk why you keep tossing aside their deals
17 sept. 2021 à 21 h 7
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Risto and Jones didn’t have term. Idk why you keep tossing aside their deals


Because they've already been traded. Lindholm hasn't been. The other teams beat out the clock. If the ask is too high, with time BM will have no choice but to lower his ask or lose his player. I haven't seen anything suggesting an extension yet.

I'd argue Lindholm is better than both of these defenders. But he also isn't as large of a name. GMs usually pay for names.
17 sept. 2021 à 21 h 40
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Because they've already been traded. Lindholm hasn't been. The other teams beat out the clock. If the ask is too high, with time BM will have no choice but to lower his ask or lose his player. I haven't seen anything suggesting an extension yet.

I'd argue Lindholm is better than both of these defenders. But he also isn't as large of a name. GMs usually pay for names.


Yes they were already traded so the price has been set. That’s how it works. Just like players signing contracts point to recent signings GMs will point out recent trades.

Also if it’s a TDL trade there will be plenty of teams that want Lindholm to where the price will still be very high especially since the ducks will have the cap space to retain 50%.

Now you’re claiming because Lindholm plays in ANA he will get less. That’s dumb. Lindholm was a top pairing Dman on a team that went to the WCF. He should be well known where it matters, NHL GMs.
 
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