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fixing this

Créé par: michaelost
Date de création initiale: 15 sept. 2021
Publié: 16 sept. 2021
Équipe: 2021-22 Bruins de Boston
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
Senyshyn, Zach1750 000 $
Transactions
1.
BOS
  1. Hertl, Tomas
  2. Middleton, Jacob
SJS
  1. Studnicka, Jack
  2. DeBrusk, Jake
  3. Zboril, Jakub
  4. 2022 1e round pick (BOS)
  5. 2023 3e round pick (BOS)
2.
BOS
  1. Kessel, Phil (2 000 000 $ retained)
Détails additionnels:
2 mil retained
ARI
  1. Frederic, Trent
  2. Moore, John
  3. 2023 2e round pick (BOS)
  4. 2022 4e round pick (BOS)
  5. 2024 6e round pick (BOS)
3.
BOS
  1. Fabbro, Dante
  2. 2022 7e round pick (NSH)
NSH
  1. Forbort, Derek
  2. Vaakanainen, Urho
  3. 2022 2e round pick (BOS)
  4. 2023 5e round pick (BOS)
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
2022
Logo de CGY
Logo de BOS
Logo de BOS
Logo de BOS
Logo de NSH
2023
Logo de BOS
Logo de BOS
Logo de BOS
Logo de BOS
2024
Logo de BOS
Logo de BOS
Logo de BOS
Logo de BOS
Logo de BOS
Logo de BOS
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2081 500 000 $80 685 674 $1 956 507 $125 000 $814 326 $

Formation

Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
Logo de BOS
Marchand, Brad
6 125 000 $
AG
NMC
UFA - 4
Logo de BOS
Bergeron, Patrice
6 875 000 $
C
NMC NTC
UFA - 1
Logo de BOS
Pastrnak, David
6 666 667 $
AD
NMC NTC
UFA - 2
Logo de BOS
Hall, Taylor
6 000 000 $
AG
NMC
UFA - 4
Logo de SJS
Hertl, Tomas
5 625 000 $
C, AD
NTC
UFA - 1
Logo de BOS
Smith, Craig
3 100 000 $
AD, C
UFA - 2
Logo de BOS
Haula, Erik
2 375 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 2
Logo de BOS
Coyle, Charlie
5 250 000 $
C, AD
NMC NTC
UFA - 5
Logo de ARI
Kessel, Phil
4 800 000 $
AD
NMC NTC
UFA - 1
Logo de BOS
Foligno, Nick
3 800 000 $
AG, C, AD
NMC
UFA - 2
Logo de BOS
Nosek, Tomas
1 750 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 2
Logo de BOS
Wagner, Chris
1 350 000 $
AD, C
UFA - 2
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
Logo de BOS
Grzelcyk, Matt
3 687 500 $
DG
UFA - 3
Logo de BOS
McAvoy, Charlie
4 900 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
Logo de BOS
Ullmark, Linus
5 000 000 $
G
NMC
UFA - 4
Logo de BOS
Reilly, Mike
3 000 000 $
DG
UFA - 3
Logo de BOS
Carlo, Brandon
4 100 000 $
DD
UFA - 6
Logo de BOS
Swayman, Jeremy
925 000 $
G
RFA - 2
Logo de BOS
Clifton, Connor
1 000 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 2
Logo de NSH
Fabbro, Dante
2 400 000 $
DD
RFA - 2
Équipe de réserve
Logo de BOS
Blidh, Anton
750 000 $ (0 $)
AG
UFA - 1
Logo de SJS
Middleton, Jacob
725 000 $ (0 $)
DG
UFA - 1
Logo de BOS
Kuhlman, Karson
725 000 $ (0 $)
AD, C
UFA - 1
Logo de BOS
Lazar, Curtis
800 000 $ (0 $)
C, AD
UFA - 1

Unités spéciales

Avantage numérique 1
Marchand, B.
Bergeron, P.
Pastrnak, D.
McAvoy, C.
Coyle, C.
Avantage numérique 2
Hall, T.
Hertl, T.
Smith, C.
Grzelcyk, M.
Reilly, M.
Infériorité numérique 1
Bergeron, P.
Marchand, B.
Reilly, M.
Carlo, B.
Infériorité numérique 2
Coyle, C.
Foligno, N.
Clifton, C.
McAvoy, C.

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16 sept. 2021 à 10 h 14
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If NSH trades Fabbro, it shouldn't be for defenseman -- it'll be for a similar level forward.
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16 sept. 2021 à 10 h 52
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You broke it rather than fixed it.

You overpaid for everyone, the defense is atrocious, cap issues, destroyed the long term outlook.

And Kessel will never waive for Boston no matter how much he wants out of Zona. Boston is the last place he’d want to be.
16 sept. 2021 à 12 h 12
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Sharks say no
16 sept. 2021 à 12 h 43
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Quoting: villenash
If NSH trades Fabbro, it shouldn't be for defenseman -- it'll be for a similar level forward.


Especially not a vet LD with term.

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You broke it rather than fixed it.

You overpaid for everyone, the defense is atrocious, cap issues, destroyed the long term outlook.

And Kessel will never waive for Boston no matter how much he wants out of Zona. Boston is the last place he’d want to be.


I disagree. I think they're all underpayments. Meh futures and cap dumps across the board. I don't think anyone accepts these offers.
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16 sept. 2021 à 13 h 58
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Easy decline from sjs
16 sept. 2021 à 23 h 29
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Quoting: gmgb
Especially not a vet LD with term.



I disagree. I think they're all underpayments. Meh futures and cap dumps across the board. I don't think anyone accepts these offers.


Quoting: gmgb
Especially not a vet LD with term.


I disagree. I think they're all underpayments. Meh futures and cap dumps across the board. I don't think anyone accepts these offers.



Disagree all you want, from a Boston perspective they are an overpayment, the Zona one isn’t. That’s an underpayment. But neither Kessel nor Boston would ever have a reunion. The others are. Fabbro is not worth that at this point. I agree Nash would not accept it, however he still isn’t worth it. Two sides to a coin. Same with SJ, not what they are looking for so they don’t take it but from a Boston perspective 1st/Debrusk/Studnicka for Hertl is borderline. 3rd/Zboril for Middleton is a joke. Would not give either piece alone for him.

Every player has 4 trade values:

What the team is asking for
What they will accept
What they can actually get
What he’s actually worth

They are not ever the same. Sometimes a player is worth more to a team than what they can get for him.

Just because a team would not take it, does not mean it’s not an overpay in terms of actual FMV.
17 sept. 2021 à 12 h 35
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Just because a team would not take it, does not mean it’s not an overpay in terms of actual FMV.


I get what you're saying about the prices for all these players being more than BOS can or would want to pay. That's fine. However, these offers are all still less than fair value. None of the other teams would accept the proposals because they would all get beaten by other interested teams. BOS' lack of prospects and tradeable assets doesn't change the fact that the OP isn't offering market value - it just illustrates that the Bruins can't afford to be in the market for all of these players.
17 sept. 2021 à 18 h 22
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Quoting: gmgb
I get what you're saying about the prices for all these players being more than BOS can or would want to pay. That's fine. However, these offers are all still less than fair value. None of the other teams would accept the proposals because they would all get beaten by other interested teams. BOS' lack of prospects and tradeable assets doesn't change the fact that the OP isn't offering market value - it just illustrates that the Bruins can't afford to be in the market for all of these players.


Again, disagree on what actual value is. Goes back to actual value v. what a team can get. Two completely different things.

If you have a car that is valued at 15k and somebody gives you 20k for it, they overpaid. Just because someone was willing to give it to you does not mean it was not an overpay.

Fabbro is not worth much more than a 2nd and mid level prospect at this point. Could they get more? Probably. But more is still an overpayment. 2nd/Urho is FMV. Adding Forbort/5th is an overpayment. Regardless of wether or not better offers are out there. Regardless of wether Preds would accept or not.

Hertl is worth 1st/Studnicka/3rd. Same thing, can they get more? Probably. It’s an overpayment compared to his actual value by someone if they do. 🤷🏻‍♂️
 
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