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Montreal Canadiens make a trade with the Minnesota Wild hockey team

Créé par: KentMcNally
Date de création initiale: 15 sept. 2021
Publié: 15 sept. 2021
Équipe: 2021-22 Canadiens de Montréal
Explications
This could help Minnesota in the years to come. They have $12.2M in cap space this year and have to sign Kaprizov (probably $8M at least), but that should allow them under the cap without issue. But next year the cap rises by $1M and for the next 3 years Minnesota has dead cap hits for Suter and Parise of $12.7M, $14.7M and $14.7M, which are $8M and $10M increases for non roster players and Dumba's contract has to be negotiated for 2024-2025. Fiala's, Greenway's and Rask's contracts have to be negotiated before that. Those are probably $6.5M, $3.5M and $4.5M respectively. By my calculations that will leave them with about $9.4M without Dumba's contract in there. Additionally, they still have roster spots to fill for other players (a backup goalie, 4 defencemen and 3 other forwards). Are all of those spots going to be taken up by players earning $1,175,000.00 (aka ELCs or bottom feeders)? I know Rossi, Boldy and Addison are coming up on cheap ELCs, but still.
Looks like Minnesota will be in cap Hell after this year.
I know that Minnesota wants to compete this year, so I threw in Chiarot as an attempt to fill in Dumba's slot in order to compete this year. Not a huge net loss for one year.
This trade offers them a long term way out and gives them some young assets (Farrell just had a very good season in USHL and Struble is an NCAA defenceman who is in the mold of Dumba). The picks help too, obviously.
Transactions
1.
MTL
  1. Dumba, Matt
Détails additionnels:
comes with 3 year extension after 2023 season at $7M per for Matthew Dumba
MIN
  1. Struble, Jayden [Liste de réserve]
  2. Farrell, Sean [Liste de réserve]
  3. Chiarot, Ben
  4. 2022 2e round pick (MTL)
  5. 2022 4e round pick (TBL)
Rachats de contrats
  • Karl Alzner: 1 958 333 $
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
2022
CAR
MTL
ANA
CAR
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
STL
2023
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
2024
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2381 500 000 $80 206 727 $597 561 $1 475 000 $1 293 273 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
MTL
Drouin, Jonathan
5 500 000 $
AG, AD, C
NTC
UFA - 2
MTL
Suzuki, Nick
863 333 $
C, AD
UFA - 1
MTL
Caufield, Cole
880 833 $
AD, AG
RFA - 2
MTL
Toffoli, Tyler
4 250 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 3
MTL
Dvorak, Christian
4 450 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 4
MTL
Gallagher, Brendan
6 500 000 $
AD
NMC NTC
UFA - 6
MTL
Hoffman, Mike
4 500 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 3
MTL
Evans, Jake
750 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 1
MTL
Anderson, Josh
5 500 000 $
AD, AG
NTC
UFA - 6
MTL
Lehkonen, Artturi
2 300 000 $
AG, AD
RFA - 1
MTL
Paquette, Cédric
950 000 $
C, AG, AD
UFA - 1
MTL
Armia, Joel
3 400 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 4
MTL
Perreault, Mathieu
950 000 $
AG, AD, C
UFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
MTL
Edmundson, Joel
3 500 000 $
DG
NTC
UFA - 3
MTL
Petry, Jeff
6 250 000 $
DD
NMC NTC
UFA - 4
MTL
Price, Carey
10 500 000 $
G
NMC
UFA - 5
MTL
Romanov, Alexander
894 167 $
DG
RFA - 1
MIN
Dumba, Matt
6 000 000 $
DD
NTC
UFA - 2
MTL
Allen, Jake
2 875 000 $
G
UFA - 2
MTL
Kulak, Brett
1 850 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
MTL
Savard, David
3 500 000 $
DD
UFA - 4
MTL
Ouellet, Xavier
737 500 $
DG/DD
UFA - 1
MTL
Wideman, Chris
750 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
MTL
Weber, Shea
7 857 143 $
DD
UFA - 5
MTL
Byron, Paul
3 400 000 $
AG, AD, C
UFA - 2

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15 sept. 2021 à 8 h 50
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7 millions a year is a lot for Dumba but I’d still be willing to do the deal from the habs perspective
15 sept. 2021 à 9 h 19
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Holly molly low ball offer.
15 sept. 2021 à 9 h 23
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Holly molly low ball offer.


What do you think the offer should look like?
15 sept. 2021 à 9 h 37
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What do you think the offer should look like?


Considering the price for D men in previous trades this year, Struble + 2023 1st + Yelonen for Dumba. Then if you want to give them Chiarot for a 2nd in an addon
15 sept. 2021 à 10 h 37
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Quoting: KentMcNally
What do you think the offer should look like?


It's a fine offer, Dumba isn't Spurgeon
15 sept. 2021 à 10 h 38
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Quoting: jpsnow13
Holly molly low ball offer.


Holy moly you must not know who Sean Farrell is
15 sept. 2021 à 10 h 54
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Wild accept this offer. Merci beaucoup!
15 sept. 2021 à 11 h 0
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Can't come with an extension. Can only sign an extension in final year of contract.
$7M is only about a $700k raise. You're looking at at least $8M and probably max term.

Doesn't negate the idea of a trade, but it might look a little different.
15 sept. 2021 à 11 h 11
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Quoting: KentMcNally
What do you think the offer should look like?


Ristolainen was traded for a 1st + 2nd + Hagg. Keep adding.. And a lot since Minnesota have no reason to want to trade him away.
15 sept. 2021 à 11 h 27
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The player value and thought is OK....but geez the extension talk...just crazy...can't/won't be part of any trade.
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15 sept. 2021 à 12 h 55
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Quoting: palhal
The player value and thought is OK....but geez the extension talk...just crazy...can't/won't be part of any trade.


I would be OK with no extension for now actually. Let him play 2 years in Montreal and figure out what his value is (to re-sign or let him walk).
15 sept. 2021 à 13 h 2
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Quoting: jpsnow13
Ristolainen was traded for a 1st + 2nd + Hagg. Keep adding.. And a lot since Minnesota have no reason to want to trade him away.


The problem that i see with comparing the Ristolainen trade with this one is that Buffalo did not have to trade him for cap reasons at any point. In Minnesota they will HAVE TO move a big contract this year or next (look at how little cap space they will have for 2022-23 if they keep a $6M Dumba on their payroll in addition to the players that they have to re-sign). Minnesota gets decent value in this trade when Montreal knows the Wild are in a position of weakness soon.

Aside from 1 outlier of a year (2017- 2018) so far Dumba is a defenceman who puts up 30 points per year. He has not been as productive as Jeff Petry (who averages 40 points per year) and Petry only makes $6.25M.
15 sept. 2021 à 13 h 39
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Quoting: KentMcNally
The problem that i see with comparing the Ristolainen trade with this one is that Buffalo did not have to trade him for cap reasons at any point. In Minnesota they will HAVE TO move a big contract this year or next (look at how little cap space they will have for 2022-23 if they keep a $6M Dumba on their payroll in addition to the players that they have to re-sign). Minnesota gets decent value in this trade when Montreal knows the Wild are in a position of weakness soon.

Aside from 1 outlier of a year (2017- 2018) so far Dumba is a defenceman who puts up 30 points per year. He has not been as productive as Jeff Petry (who averages 40 points per year) and Petry only makes $6.25M.


Minnesota dont have to move him at all. Your reasonning is flawed. Wishfull thinking.

No team will trade away a top 3 Dman to keep lesser players. "OMG they need to resign Victor Rask!". No, they dont. Also, Goligoski $5M will be off the books...

Notice how I don’t need caplock.
15 sept. 2021 à 13 h 43
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Quoting: jpsnow13
Minnesota dont have to move him at all. Your reasonning is flawed. Wishfull thinking.

No team will trade away a top 3 Dman to keep lesser players. "OMG they need to resign Victor Rask!". No, they dont. Also, Goligoski $5M will be off the books...

Notice how I don’t need caplock.


WELL I GUES WE WIL AGREE TO DISAGREE ON THIS ONE. THANKS FOR YOUR THOUGHTS.
15 sept. 2021 à 14 h 0
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Quoting: KentMcNally
WELL I GUES WE WIL AGREE TO DISAGREE ON THIS ONE. THANKS FOR YOUR THOUGHTS.


I get you are new here, but Dumba trades by MTL fans have been torned down by Minnesota fans for years...

THEY CANT PROTECT HIM FROM THE SEATTLE DRAFT they said... He's not going anywhere, for sure not for a UFA, a 2nd and a pair of C prospects.
15 sept. 2021 à 14 h 29
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I get you are new here, but Dumba trades by MTL fans have been torned down by Minnesota fans for years...

THEY CANT PROTECT HIM FROM THE SEATTLE DRAFT they said... He's not going anywhere, for sure not for a UFA, a 2nd and a pair of C prospects.


If you look at this website's cap numbers for next year Minnesota has $18M committed to 6 forwards. Throw in Kaprizov at $9M and you are up to $27M. If they pay Greenway $3M, Fiala $6M and Rask $4.5M (not major raises) then they are up to $40.5M for 10 forwards. Assume they bring in Rossi ($880K) and Boldy ($890K) as cheap young replacements and you are up to $42.27M for 12 forwards (no 13th forward which teams usually like).

Then you look at Defence for next year: $15.825M without Dumba in the mix (or $21.825M with him in there). This is for 3 (or 4) Defencemen only. Let's say you fill the other 3 slots at $750K (league minimum) X 3 and that is $18.075M (or $24.075 with Dumba). Goligoski's $5M was never considered for 2023.

Goalies are Talbot ($3.66M) and any backup ($750K at the cheapest). $4.4M

This is a 21 man roster rather than 23 man roster. This leaves Minnesota short on players throughout the year but possibly doable (I think Vegas did something like this with their roster numbers last year).

Add in Suter and Parise cap hits for next year $12.74

$42.27M + $18.075 (no Dumba) + $4.4M + $12.74M= $77.485M with a $82.5M cap in 2022-23. But with Dumba in it they are at $83.485M, which is over the cap.

Furthermore, if Minnesota wants to be competitive beyond this upcoming year (2021 2022) they are not likely playing so many players at or around the league minimum in 2023 (i.e. Rossi, Boldy, Addison and 2 other defencemen). If they do, they better hope that their young players all pan out.

Yes they could ship out a Foligno and/or Kulikov contract, but they still have to replace them with something of quality and those 2 guys are fairly cheap.

As could be seen from this last year's playoffs, Chiarot played top 4 minutes and he is cheaper than Dumba. This gives Minnesota more room under the cap if they want to add something of substance at the deadline.

I wasn't just throwing random numbers out there.

Other people that have responded to the post said that this is not bad value. Maybe they are right, but maybe you are. I think my suggestion is not horrible though. If you wanted to change the 2nd round pick to a 1st round pick Montreal may consider it. I think it is important not to overvalue Dumba though too. He is not a Norris candidate and as someone else said, he is not Jared Spurgeon coming off of Minnesota's team.
15 sept. 2021 à 15 h 44
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Quoting: KentMcNally
If you look at this website's cap numbers for next year Minnesota has $18M committed to 6 forwards. Throw in Kaprizov at $9M and you are up to $27M. If they pay Greenway $3M, Fiala $6M and Rask $4.5M (not major raises) then they are up to $40.5M for 10 forwards. Assume they bring in Rossi ($880K) and Boldy ($890K) as cheap young replacements and you are up to $42.27M for 12 forwards (no 13th forward which teams usually like).

Then you look at Defence for next year: $15.825M without Dumba in the mix (or $21.825M with him in there). This is for 3 (or 4) Defencemen only. Let's say you fill the other 3 slots at $750K (league minimum) X 3 and that is $18.075M (or $24.075 with Dumba). Goligoski's $5M was never considered for 2023.

Goalies are Talbot ($3.66M) and any backup ($750K at the cheapest). $4.4M

This is a 21 man roster rather than 23 man roster. This leaves Minnesota short on players throughout the year but possibly doable (I think Vegas did something like this with their roster numbers last year).

Add in Suter and Parise cap hits for next year $12.74

$42.27M + $18.075 (no Dumba) + $4.4M + $12.74M= $77.485M with a $82.5M cap in 2022-23. But with Dumba in it they are at $83.485M, which is over the cap.

Furthermore, if Minnesota wants to be competitive beyond this upcoming year (2021 2022) they are not likely playing so many players at or around the league minimum in 2023 (i.e. Rossi, Boldy, Addison and 2 other defencemen). If they do, they better hope that their young players all pan out.

Yes they could ship out a Foligno and/or Kulikov contract, but they still have to replace them with something of quality and those 2 guys are fairly cheap.

As could be seen from this last year's playoffs, Chiarot played top 4 minutes and he is cheaper than Dumba. This gives Minnesota more room under the cap if they want to add something of substance at the deadline.

I wasn't just throwing random numbers out there.

Other people that have responded to the post said that this is not bad value. Maybe they are right, but maybe you are. I think my suggestion is not horrible though. If you wanted to change the 2nd round pick to a 1st round pick Montreal may consider it. I think it is important not to overvalue Dumba though too. He is not a Norris candidate and as someone else said, he is not Jared Spurgeon coming off of Minnesota's team.


Okay, but you're wrong as much as you're being right.

Can we continue to afford his cap hit moving forward? Unlikely. Is he likely gone in the next two seasons? Possibly.

Do we want to move him? Not a chance in hell. We want to keep him any way we can. Offensive RHD who play a physical/gritty style, let alone in a top 4 talent, like he does aren't a dime a dozen. They most certainly don't grow on trees. It will take an absolute overpay to get him out of Minnesota. Maybe Wild fans tend to overvalue him a little bit, but he's more continually undervalued by other teams fans to the point of criminality.

Chiarot is strictly a 2nd pairing guy at best and plays the wrong side for our needs.

Savard isn't the player he used to be, and isn't much better. He's a 3rd pairing guy at this stage of his career.

Petry is overrated by Habs fans in much the same regard as Dumba is by Wild fans. But... Dumba is definitely the better player between the two. I've watched both at length and can easily say that Petry is a stop-gap option for that top-pairing spot, whereas Dumba is a legitimate replacement option. Petry is better defensively, but marginally so, as Dumba is much better defensively than people give him credit for. Dumba is more physical and plays a grittier game than Petry. Dumba is better offensively, and don't mouth off about boxscores, I mean from a pure talent standpoint. Dumba's slapshot is much harder as well. It's been recorded in the 120 mph range, which is harder and faster than Petry's low 100's. Dumba's a legitimate threat on the PP, Petry isn't.

One of, if not the primary reasons why Dumba hasn't produced the last few years was that it took roughly a good year and a half to bounce back to completely normal after his pectoral injury that ended his season three years ago. Last year he was far more focused on playing better defensively and his offense wasn't his primary focus. Brodin took advantage of that to play a more offensive role and saw an increase in his point totals as a result.

Which brings me to my next point. The Brodin-Dumba pairing has more or less been the Wild's top defensive pairing for the last two seasons. Where Dumba has logged as high as 25 minutes in a game at points during his career. I would trust him in a top pairing role far more than someone like Petry in that regard.

As for your trade value. You're right, it's fair from a technical standpoint. Just not from a quality standpoint. This trade as proposed is the very definition of quantity over quality. I don't see any reason why the Wild should say yes unless something better is being offered by Montreal.

For a long while fans have said that Dumba was about $2M overpaid for what he brings to the team. I've always disagreed with that sentiment but given the recent costs of defenseman in the league, he's now relatively cheap by comparison. Cap crunch or not, that holds immense value and the Wild aren't in the hole you seem to think they are, so your low-ball strategy is rather a moot point.

Furthermore, this notion that we have to move him is ridiculous. There are other players who will either be moved or let go of long before we let Dumba go. Namely, Victor Rask... What? The team is highly unlikely to bring him back. And even if we did, it would probably be at league minimum. He's not getting anything over a million again for the rest of his career. Don't be absurd.

You're also underestimating Dumba's desire to remain in Minnesota. This guy has dealt with trade rumors for the last few years and is sick of it. He's been very vocal about his desire to stay. He doesn't want to go anywhere else. He loves the team, his teammates, and the Twin Cities in general. It's his lifelong home as far as he's concerned, aside from his hometown of Calgary that is.

This is a player who is very likely to be willing to sign a very friendly team discount type of contract just to stay in Minnesota. It's also very likely that the team tries to move out Zuccarello and Greenway and let Rask walk before ever consider trying to move him.
15 sept. 2021 à 15 h 53
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Quoting: KentMcNally
If you look at this website's cap numbers for next year Minnesota has $18M committed to 6 forwards. Throw in Kaprizov at $9M and you are up to $27M. If they pay Greenway $3M, Fiala $6M and Rask $4.5M (not major raises) then they are up to $40.5M for 10 forwards. Assume they bring in Rossi ($880K) and Boldy ($890K) as cheap young replacements and you are up to $42.27M for 12 forwards (no 13th forward which teams usually like).

Then you look at Defence for next year: $15.825M without Dumba in the mix (or $21.825M with him in there). This is for 3 (or 4) Defencemen only. Let's say you fill the other 3 slots at $750K (league minimum) X 3 and that is $18.075M (or $24.075 with Dumba). Goligoski's $5M was never considered for 2023.

Goalies are Talbot ($3.66M) and any backup ($750K at the cheapest). $4.4M

This is a 21 man roster rather than 23 man roster. This leaves Minnesota short on players throughout the year but possibly doable (I think Vegas did something like this with their roster numbers last year).

Add in Suter and Parise cap hits for next year $12.74

$42.27M + $18.075 (no Dumba) + $4.4M + $12.74M= $77.485M with a $82.5M cap in 2022-23. But with Dumba in it they are at $83.485M, which is over the cap.

Furthermore, if Minnesota wants to be competitive beyond this upcoming year (2021 2022) they are not likely playing so many players at or around the league minimum in 2023 (i.e. Rossi, Boldy, Addison and 2 other defencemen). If they do, they better hope that their young players all pan out.

Yes they could ship out a Foligno and/or Kulikov contract, but they still have to replace them with something of quality and those 2 guys are fairly cheap.

As could be seen from this last year's playoffs, Chiarot played top 4 minutes and he is cheaper than Dumba. This gives Minnesota more room under the cap if they want to add something of substance at the deadline.

I wasn't just throwing random numbers out there.

Other people that have responded to the post said that this is not bad value. Maybe they are right, but maybe you are. I think my suggestion is not horrible though. If you wanted to change the 2nd round pick to a 1st round pick Montreal may consider it. I think it is important not to overvalue Dumba though too. He is not a Norris candidate and as someone else said, he is not Jared Spurgeon coming off of Minnesota's team.


You can write 5 pages if you want, I can destroy it with one sentence:

Minnesota wont resign Victor Rask for $4.5M.
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15 sept. 2021 à 15 h 56
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You can write 5 pages if you want, I can destroy it with one sentence:

Dont resign Victor Rask for $4.5M.


Thank you. Common sense is hard apparently.

Of course, I wrote my own novel there too. Lol
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Edit: Ugh... double post. 🙄
15 sept. 2021 à 16 h 2
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Quoting: RazWild
Thank you. Common sense is hard apparently.

Of course, I wrote my own novel there too. Lol


Such an horrible contract, finally ending... And he's giving him a raise...
15 sept. 2021 à 16 h 40
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Such an horrible contract, finally ending... And he's giving him a raise...


So is he not going anywhere because he is so valuable or should Minnesota trade him because he is on a horrible contract that does not deserve a raise?
You contradict yourself in your different posts
15 sept. 2021 à 16 h 46
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Quoting: jpsnow13
You can write 5 pages if you want, I can destroy it with one sentence:

Minnesota wont resign Victor Rask for $4.5M.


That’s fine if you do not re-sign Rask but he looks to be their 2C or 3c. Who do they replace that with for less than $4.5M if they want to contend? Even if Rossi steps into the 2C position, who do you get for a 3c for much less than that and still be competitive?
Are they keeping Dumba’s “horrible contract” (your words) at the expense of all other positions?
15 sept. 2021 à 17 h 1
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Okay, but you're wrong as much as you're being right.

Can we continue to afford his cap hit moving forward? Unlikely. Is he likely gone in the next two seasons? Possibly.

Do we want to move him? Not a chance in hell. We want to keep him any way we can. Offensive RHD who play a physical/gritty style, let alone in a top 4 talent, like he does aren't a dime a dozen. They most certainly don't grow on trees. It will take an absolute overpay to get him out of Minnesota. Maybe Wild fans tend to overvalue him a little bit, but he's more continually undervalued by other teams fans to the point of criminality.

Chiarot is strictly a 2nd pairing guy at best and plays the wrong side for our needs.

Savard isn't the player he used to be, and isn't much better. He's a 3rd pairing guy at this stage of his career.

Petry is overrated by Habs fans in much the same regard as Dumba is by Wild fans. But... Dumba is definitely the better player between the two. I've watched both at length and can easily say that Petry is a stop-gap option for that top-pairing spot, whereas Dumba is a legitimate replacement option. Petry is better defensively, but marginally so, as Dumba is much better defensively than people give him credit for. Dumba is more physical and plays a grittier game than Petry. Dumba is better offensively, and don't mouth off about boxscores, I mean from a pure talent standpoint. Dumba's slapshot is much harder as well. It's been recorded in the 120 mph range, which is harder and faster than Petry's low 100's. Dumba's a legitimate threat on the PP, Petry isn't.

One of, if not the primary reasons why Dumba hasn't produced the last few years was that it took roughly a good year and a half to bounce back to completely normal after his pectoral injury that ended his season three years ago. Last year he was far more focused on playing better defensively and his offense wasn't his primary focus. Brodin took advantage of that to play a more offensive role and saw an increase in his point totals as a result.

Which brings me to my next point. The Brodin-Dumba pairing has more or less been the Wild's top defensive pairing for the last two seasons. Where Dumba has logged as high as 25 minutes in a game at points during his career. I would trust him in a top pairing role far more than someone like Petry in that regard.

As for your trade value. You're right, it's fair from a technical standpoint. Just not from a quality standpoint. This trade as proposed is the very definition of quantity over quality. I don't see any reason why the Wild should say yes unless something better is being offered by Montreal.

For a long while fans have said that Dumba was about $2M overpaid for what he brings to the team. I've always disagreed with that sentiment but given the recent costs of defenseman in the league, he's now relatively cheap by comparison. Cap crunch or not, that holds immense value and the Wild aren't in the hole you seem to think they are, so your low-ball strategy is rather a moot point.

Furthermore, this notion that we have to move him is ridiculous. There are other players who will either be moved or let go of long before we let Dumba go. Namely, Victor Rask... What? The team is highly unlikely to bring him back. And even if we did, it would probably be at league minimum. He's not getting anything over a million again for the rest of his career. Don't be absurd.

You're also underestimating Dumba's desire to remain in Minnesota. This guy has dealt with trade rumors for the last few years and is sick of it. He's been very vocal about his desire to stay. He doesn't want to go anywhere else. He loves the team, his teammates, and the Twin Cities in general. It's his lifelong home as far as he's concerned, aside from his hometown of Calgary that is.

This is a player who is very likely to be willing to sign a very friendly team discount type of contract just to stay in Minnesota. It's also very likely that the team tries to move out Zuccarello and Greenway and let Rask walk before ever consider trying to move him.


You make some good points and maybe Minnesota gets more value when they trade him

I do disagree with your Petry vs Dumba evaluation. Petry has twice finished in the top 20 for Norris voting. DUMBA never has. Awards aren’t everything, but it says something. If they were the same age I would not trade what Petry has done so far for what Dumba has not yet achieved
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Quoting: KentMcNally
So is he not going anywhere because he is so valuable or should Minnesota trade him because he is on a horrible contract that does not deserve a raise?
You contradict yourself in your different posts


Quoting: KentMcNally
That’s fine if you do not re-sign Rask but he looks to be their 2C or 3c. Who do they replace that with for less than $4.5M if they want to contend? Even if Rossi steps into the 2C position, who do you get for a 3c for much less than that and still be competitive?
Are they keeping Dumba’s “horrible contract” (your words) at the expense of all other positions?


He's saying Rask's contract is horrible. Not Dumba's.

Rask is easily $3M overpaid for what he brings to the table. Ironically, if he was paid $2M less the fans wouldn't likely **** about him near as much.

Dumba's is cheap by modern NHL top 4 defenseman rates by comparison.

The Wild can easily live without Victor Rask on roster. Sturm, Hartman, Bjugstad, Gaudreau are all internal options to replace him in a bottom six center spot. Rask is barely a serviceable 4C, as it is. All of them are better options there than Rask, let alone as a 3C.
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