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Based Hertl Returns

Créé par: Bias_it_self
Équipe: 2021-22 Sharks de San Jose
Date de création initiale: 11 sept. 2021
Publié: 13 sept. 2021
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
Just some trades based of the reported asking price of 1st rounder, top prospect, and roster player (per Kevin Kurtz). All trades come with the asuption that there's an extension in place around 7,500,000 for 6ish years. Some trades have the roster player replaced with another prospect + pick. I am Sharks biased, so all trades will favor the Sharks, tired to make it fair.
Transactions
1.
SJS
MTL
    Hertl
    2.
    SJS
    1. Brännström, Erik
    2. Brown, Logan [Droits de RFA]
    3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2022 (OTT)
    4. Choix de 3e ronde en 2022 (BOS)
    OTT
      Hertl
      3.
      SJS
      1. Chytil, Filip
      2. Schneider, Braden
      3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2022 (NYR)
      4. Choix de 5e ronde en 2022 (NYR)
      NYR
        Hertl
        4.
        SJS
        1. Khovanov, Alexander
        2. Khusnutdinov, Marat [Liste de réserve]
        3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2022 (MIN)
        4. Choix de 2e ronde en 2022 (MIN)
        MIN
          Hertl
          Rachats de contrats
          Repêchage1e ronde2e ronde3e ronde4e ronde5e ronde6e ronde7e ronde
          2022
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          2023
          Logo de SJS
          Logo de MTL
          Logo de SJS
          Logo de SJS
          Logo de SJS
          Logo de SJS
          Logo de SJS
          Logo de SJS
          2024
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          TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
          2481 500 000 $63 777 030 $0 $1 332 500 $17 722 970 $
          Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
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          3 000 000 $3 000 000 $
          AG, AD
          UFA - 2
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          8 000 000 $8 000 000 $
          C
          M-NTC
          UFA - 6
          Logo de Sharks de San Jose
          4 725 000 $4 725 000 $
          AD, AG
          UFA - 3
          Logo de Sharks de San Jose
          1 550 000 $1 550 000 $
          AG, AD
          UFA - 2
          Logo de Sharks de San Jose
          925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance212 500 $$212K)
          AG, AD
          UFA - 1
          Logo de Sharks de San Jose
          1 025 000 $1 025 000 $
          C, AG
          M-NTC
          UFA - 2
          Logo de Sharks de San Jose
          1 000 000 $1 000 000 $
          AD, AG
          UFA - 1
          Logo de Sharks de San Jose
          500 000 $500 000 $
          AG
          UFA - 1
          Logo de Sharks de San Jose
          1 100 000 $1 100 000 $
          C
          UFA - 1
          Logo de Sharks de San Jose
          750 000 $750 000 $
          AD, C
          UFA - 1
          Logo de Sharks de San Jose
          850 000 $850 000 $
          AG, AD
          UFA - 2
          Logo de Sharks de San Jose
          750 000 $750 000 $
          C
          UFA - 2
          Logo de Rangers de New York
          2 300 000 $2 300 000 $
          C, AG
          UFA - 2
          Logo de Wild du Minnesota
          811 667 $811 667 $ (Bonis de performance57 500 $$58K)
          C
          UFA - 2
          Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
          Logo de Sharks de San Jose
          925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance212 500 $$212K)
          DG
          UFA - 1
          Logo de Sharks de San Jose
          5 280 000 $5 280 000 $
          DD
          M-NTC
          UFA - 4
          Logo de Sharks de San Jose
          2 175 000 $2 175 000 $
          G
          UFA - 2
          Logo de Sharks de San Jose
          796 667 $796 667 $
          DG/DD
          UFA - 1
          Logo de Sharks de San Jose
          10 000 000 $10 000 000 $
          DD
          NMC
          UFA - 6
          Logo de Sharks de San Jose
          2 250 000 $2 250 000 $
          G
          M-NTC
          UFA - 2
          Logo de Sharks de San Jose
          7 000 000 $7 000 000 $
          DG/DD
          NMC
          UFA - 5
          Logo de Sharks de San Jose
          2 250 000 $2 250 000 $
          DG/DD
          UFA - 3
          Logo de Sénateurs d'Ottawa
          863 333 $863 333 $ (Bonis de performance450 000 $$450K)
          DG/DD, AG
          RFA - 1
          Logo de Rangers de New York
          925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance400 000 $$400K)
          DD
          RFA - 3
          Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
          Logo de Sharks de San Jose
          2 108 696 $2 108 696 $
          AG, AD
          NMC
          UFA - 1
          Logo de Sharks de San Jose
          5 625 000 $5 625 000 $
          C
          M-NTC
          UFA - 1
          Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
          750 000 $750 000 $
          C, AG
          UFA - 2
          Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
          894 167 $894 167 $ (Bonis de performance637 500 $$638K)
          DG
          RFA - 1
          Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
          5 500 000 $5 500 000 $
          AG, AD
          M-NTC
          UFA - 2

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          13 sept. 2021 à 23 h 10
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          Ready for the range :/
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          13 sept. 2021 à 23 h 20
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          I think MTL should give that a good thought. He would elevate their team to another level in my mind.
          13 sept. 2021 à 23 h 27
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          Quoting: Bias_it_self
          Ready for the range :/


          Actually, as both a Wild fan and Sharks fan. That return is slightly too low, provided Hertl came with an extension as proposed here. I would personally swap out Khovanov for Beckman, drop the 2nd, then tack on Rask and Greenway for cap purposes and to even out the trade value.

          To MIN:
          Hertl w/extension

          To SJS:
          Rask
          Greenway
          Khusnutdinov
          Beckman
          2022 1st

          Rask is off the books after this year anyway so he's not the negative asset people like to make him out to be, he's strictly there for the cap. Greenway is worth about a low 1st on his own and could be a potential Kane replacement. Beckman is the stronger prospect, so another win for San Jose there as well.

          The trade above that I listed is fairer for both sides involved, imo.
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          13 sept. 2021 à 23 h 52
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          Quoting: BallPuckFellow10
          I think MTL should give that a good thought. He would elevate their team to another level in my mind.


          Yes MTL take that
          Sucks losing Romy but Hertl would be a great 1-2 with Suzuki Dvorak on the 3C and Evans 4C
          We still have Norlinder Guhle Harris Struble for really good LHD prospect
          13 sept. 2021 à 23 h 58
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          Rangers should take that and run.
          13 sept. 2021 à 23 h 59
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          I can see Ottawa making that trade, but I think they’d want a 4 or 5 year extension.

          Edit: to clarify, 6 years might be longer than they’d want to commit
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          14 sept. 2021 à 0 h 13
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          Quoting: RazWild
          Actually, as both a Wild fan and Sharks fan. That return is slightly too low, provided Hertl came with an extension as proposed here. I would personally swap out Khovanov for Beckman, drop the 2nd, then tack on Rask and Greenway for cap purposes and to even out the trade value.

          To MIN:
          Hertl w/extension

          To SJS:
          Rask
          Greenway
          Khusnutdinov
          Beckman
          2022 1st

          Rask is off the books after this year anyway so he's not the negative asset people like to make him out to be, he's strictly there for the cap. Greenway is worth about a low 1st on his own and could be a potential Kane replacement. Beckman is the stronger prospect, so another win for San Jose there as well.

          The trade above that I listed is fairer for both sides involved, imo.


          I'm not a wild fan but I was thinking exactly this
          14 sept. 2021 à 0 h 24
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          Montreal is not likely moving Romanov for 1 year of Hertl, we can't afford to give him a raise this off-season.
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          14 sept. 2021 à 0 h 29
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          Quoting: Campabee
          Montreal is not likely moving Romanov for 1 year of Hertl, we can't afford to give him a raise this off-season.


          I agree
          Picking up Hertl with an extension means we lose Suzuki next year
          Unless the cap goes up by 8 million grin
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          14 sept. 2021 à 0 h 35
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          Quoting: MisstheWhalers
          Rangers should take that and run.


          That’s a terrible trade for rangers. If they aren’t trading Schneider for eichel why are they going to for hertl
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          14 sept. 2021 à 0 h 40
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          Quoting: NYRxLundqvist
          That’s a terrible trade for rangers. If they aren’t trading Schneider for eichel why are they going to for hertl


          Cause they're morons I guess, they're flush with RHD, they can afford to part with one.
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          14 sept. 2021 à 0 h 46
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          Cause they're morons I guess, they're flush with RHD, they can afford to part with one.


          Not really eventually they will move on from trouba either via trade or buyout. So RHD would be fox lundkvist Schneider
          14 sept. 2021 à 1 h 8
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          Quoting: RazWild
          Actually, as both a Wild fan and Sharks fan. That return is slightly too low, provided Hertl came with an extension as proposed here. I would personally swap out Khovanov for Beckman, drop the 2nd, then tack on Rask and Greenway for cap purposes and to even out the trade value.

          To MIN:
          Hertl w/extension

          To SJS:
          Rask
          Greenway
          Khusnutdinov
          Beckman
          2022 1st

          Rask is off the books after this year anyway so he's not the negative asset people like to make him out to be, he's strictly there for the cap. Greenway is worth about a low 1st on his own and could be a potential Kane replacement. Beckman is the stronger prospect, so another win for San Jose there as well.

          The trade above that I listed is fairer for both sides involved, imo.


          After watching Greenway play against the Sharks last year, I would definitely take this. I really like what I've seen from Khusnutdinov, so I might have over valued him a bit (He was taken the pick before Bordeleau).
          14 sept. 2021 à 2 h 42
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          Habs accept!
          14 sept. 2021 à 5 h 52
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          These are all super solid trades.
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          14 sept. 2021 à 7 h 20
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          Quoting: MisstheWhalers
          Rangers should take that and run.


          Rangers aren't giving up anything close to that for hertl with healthy knees
          14 sept. 2021 à 9 h 24
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          No one is giving this kinda thing up for a good 2C that is a rental. It’s never happened in NHL history, and it’s not about to just randomly happen now.

          About 40-50% of these packages.
          1st and a 3rd. No mas.
          14 sept. 2021 à 11 h 21
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          Quoting: corson
          I agree
          Picking up Hertl with an extension means we lose Suzuki next year
          Unless the cap goes up by 8 million grin


          Well sending Drouin and Romanov the other way makes them save 6.5M. Buyout Byron and you got your 8M grin
          14 sept. 2021 à 11 h 26
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          Quoting: CMcAvoy73
          No one is giving this kinda thing up for a good 2C that is a rental. It’s never happened in NHL history, and it’s not about to just randomly happen now.

          About 40-50% of these packages.
          1st and a 3rd. No mas.


          Did you read the description? All these trades have an extension in place...
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          14 sept. 2021 à 13 h 41
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          Quoting: Bias_it_self
          Did you read the description? All these trades have an extension in place...


          And this right here is just so frustrating. A couple of guys sign an extension shortly after getting traded and now every trade has an extension in place. It’s rare. Very very very rare. So rare that’s not really worth considering.
          14 sept. 2021 à 14 h 9
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          Quoting: CMcAvoy73
          And this right here is just so frustrating. A couple of guys sign an extension shortly after getting traded and now every trade has an extension in place. It’s rare. Very very very rare. So rare that’s not really worth considering.


          Buddy, you’re missing my point. These are trades WITH an extension. I’m not saying he’s 100% going to sign an extension. I didn’t do a Boston trade because I didn’t want to deal with Bruins fans. Just stop and stick to Bruins AGMs.
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          14 sept. 2021 à 14 h 10
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          Quoting: Bias_it_self
          Buddy, you’re missing my point. These are trades WITH an extension. I’m not saying he’s 100% going to sign an extension. I didn’t do a Boston trade because I didn’t want to deal with Bruins fans. Just stop and stick to Bruins AGMs.


          No. I’ll comment on what i want to comment on. If you don’t like it, you can put me on ignore. You put something on a public forum, asking people not to comment on it because they disagree with you is butter soft.
          14 sept. 2021 à 14 h 17
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          No. I’ll comment on what i want to comment on. If you don’t like it, you can put me on ignore. You put something on a public forum, asking people not to comment on it because they disagree with you is butter soft.


          I’m just telling you to stop because you’re annoying
          14 sept. 2021 à 14 h 24
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          Quoting: Bias_it_self
          I’m just telling you to stop because you’re annoying


          Well i think that’s your issue and not my issue. The ignore option is always available. You just have to click on my name, and a couple options come down. The bottom one is to place me on your ignore list.
          17 sept. 2021 à 3 h 3
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          Quoting: jpsnow13
          Well sending Drouin and Romanov the other way makes them save 6.5M. Buyout Byron and you got your 8M grin


          Its too tight. Suzuki needs a BIG raise then Caufield the following year. And, I'm not moving Romanov and a 1st rounder unless its for legitimate 1C or 1D. Romanov is going to breakout ala poor man's Charlie McAvoy
           
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