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Based Hertl Returns

Créé par: Bias_it_self
Date de création initiale: 11 sept. 2021
Publié: 13 sept. 2021
Équipe: 2021-22 Sharks de San Jose
Explications
Just some trades based of the reported asking price of 1st rounder, top prospect, and roster player (per Kevin Kurtz). All trades come with the asuption that there's an extension in place around 7,500,000 for 6ish years. Some trades have the roster player replaced with another prospect + pick. I am Sharks biased, so all trades will favor the Sharks, tired to make it fair.
Transactions
1.
SJS
  1. Poehling, Ryan
  2. Romanov, Alexander
  3. Drouin, Jonathan
  4. 2023 1e round pick (MTL)
MTL
    Hertl
    2.
    SJS
    1. Brown, Logan [Droits de RFA]
    2. Brännström, Erik
    3. 2022 1e round pick (OTT)
    4. 2022 3e round pick (BOS)
    OTT
      Hertl
      3.
      SJS
      1. Schneider, Braden
      2. Chytil, Filip
      3. 2022 1e round pick (NYR)
      4. 2022 5e round pick (NYR)
      NYR
        Hertl
        4.
        SJS
        1. Khusnutdinov, Marat [Liste de réserve]
        2. Khovanov, Alexander
        3. 2022 1e round pick (MIN)
        4. 2022 2e round pick (MIN)
        MIN
          Hertl
          Rachats de contrats
          • Martin Jones: 1 916 667 $
          ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
          2022
          SJS
          OTT
          NYR
          MIN
          MIN
          SJS
          BOS
          SJS
          BUF
          NYR
          SJS
          ARI
          MIN
          2023
          SJS
          MTL
          SJS
          SJS
          SJS
          SJS
          SJS
          SJS
          2024
          SJS
          SJS
          SJS
          SJS
          SJS
          SJS
          TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
          2481 500 000 $77 413 334 $0 $1 332 500 $4 086 666 $
          Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
          SJS
          Meier, Timo
          6 000 000 $
          AG, AD
          RFA - 2
          SJS
          Couture, Logan
          8 000 000 $
          C, AG
          NTC
          UFA - 6
          SJS
          Labanc, Kevin
          4 725 000 $
          AD, AG
          UFA - 3
          SJS
          Leonard, John
          925 000 $
          AG, AD
          RFA - 1
          SJS
          Bonino, Nick
          2 050 000 $
          C
          NTC
          UFA - 2
          SJS
          Balcers, Rūdolfs
          1 550 000 $
          AD, AG
          RFA - 2
          SJS
          Cogliano, Andrew
          1 000 000 $
          AG
          UFA - 1
          SJS
          Gambrell, Dylan
          1 100 000 $
          C
          RFA - 1
          SJS
          Barabanov, Alexander
          1 000 000 $
          AD, AG
          UFA - 1
          SJS
          Nieto, Matt
          850 000 $
          AG, AD
          UFA - 2
          SJS
          Pederson, Lane
          750 000 $
          C
          RFA - 2
          SJS
          Merkley, Nick
          750 000 $
          AD, C
          RFA - 1
          NYR
          Chytil, Filip
          2 300 000 $
          C, AG
          RFA - 2
          MIN
          Khovanov, Alexander
          811 667 $
          C
          RFA - 2
          Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
          SJS
          Ferraro, Mario
          925 000 $
          DG
          RFA - 1
          SJS
          Burns, Brent
          8 000 000 $
          DD
          NTC
          UFA - 4
          SJS
          Hill, Adin
          2 175 000 $
          G
          UFA - 2
          SJS
          Knyzhov, Nikolai
          796 667 $
          DG/DD
          RFA - 1
          SJS
          Karlsson, Erik
          11 500 000 $
          DD
          NMC
          UFA - 6
          SJS
          Reimer, James
          2 250 000 $
          G
          NTC
          UFA - 2
          SJS
          Simek, Radim
          2 250 000 $
          DG
          UFA - 3
          SJS
          Vlasic, Marc-Édouard
          7 000 000 $
          DG/DD
          NMC
          UFA - 5
          OTT
          Brännström, Erik
          863 333 $
          DD
          RFA - 1
          NYR
          Schneider, Braden
          925 000 $
          DD
          RFA - 3
          Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
          SJS
          Kane, Evander
          7 000 000 $
          AG, AD
          NTC
          UFA - 4
          SJS
          Hertl, Tomas
          5 625 000 $
          C, AD
          NTC
          UFA - 1
          MTL
          Poehling, Ryan
          750 000 $
          C, AG
          RFA - 2
          MTL
          Romanov, Alexander
          894 167 $
          DG/DD
          RFA - 1
          MTL
          Drouin, Jonathan
          5 500 000 $
          AG
          NTC
          UFA - 2

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          13 sept. à 23 h 10
          #1
          Temple of Ferraro
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          Ready for the range :/
          BallPuckFellow10 a aimé ceci.
          13 sept. à 23 h 20
          #2
          Hockey Enthusiast
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          I think MTL should give that a good thought. He would elevate their team to another level in my mind.
          13 sept. à 23 h 27
          #3
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          Quoting: Bias_it_self
          Ready for the range :/


          Actually, as both a Wild fan and Sharks fan. That return is slightly too low, provided Hertl came with an extension as proposed here. I would personally swap out Khovanov for Beckman, drop the 2nd, then tack on Rask and Greenway for cap purposes and to even out the trade value.

          To MIN:
          Hertl w/extension

          To SJS:
          Rask
          Greenway
          Khusnutdinov
          Beckman
          2022 1st

          Rask is off the books after this year anyway so he's not the negative asset people like to make him out to be, he's strictly there for the cap. Greenway is worth about a low 1st on his own and could be a potential Kane replacement. Beckman is the stronger prospect, so another win for San Jose there as well.

          The trade above that I listed is fairer for both sides involved, imo.
          Lancebmx et Bias_it_self a aimé ceci.
          13 sept. à 23 h 52
          #4
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          Quoting: BallPuckFellow10
          I think MTL should give that a good thought. He would elevate their team to another level in my mind.


          Yes MTL take that
          Sucks losing Romy but Hertl would be a great 1-2 with Suzuki Dvorak on the 3C and Evans 4C
          We still have Norlinder Guhle Harris Struble for really good LHD prospect
          13 sept. à 23 h 58
          #5
          MisstheWhalers
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          Rangers should take that and run.
          13 sept. à 23 h 59
          #6
          Serf
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          I can see Ottawa making that trade, but I think they’d want a 4 or 5 year extension.

          Edit: to clarify, 6 years might be longer than they’d want to commit
          Pierre_from_Orleans a aimé ceci.
          14 sept. à 0 h 13
          #7
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          Quoting: RazWild
          Actually, as both a Wild fan and Sharks fan. That return is slightly too low, provided Hertl came with an extension as proposed here. I would personally swap out Khovanov for Beckman, drop the 2nd, then tack on Rask and Greenway for cap purposes and to even out the trade value.

          To MIN:
          Hertl w/extension

          To SJS:
          Rask
          Greenway
          Khusnutdinov
          Beckman
          2022 1st

          Rask is off the books after this year anyway so he's not the negative asset people like to make him out to be, he's strictly there for the cap. Greenway is worth about a low 1st on his own and could be a potential Kane replacement. Beckman is the stronger prospect, so another win for San Jose there as well.

          The trade above that I listed is fairer for both sides involved, imo.


          I'm not a wild fan but I was thinking exactly this
          14 sept. à 0 h 24
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          Montreal is not likely moving Romanov for 1 year of Hertl, we can't afford to give him a raise this off-season.
          corson a aimé ceci.
          14 sept. à 0 h 29
          #9
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          Quoting: Campabee
          Montreal is not likely moving Romanov for 1 year of Hertl, we can't afford to give him a raise this off-season.


          I agree
          Picking up Hertl with an extension means we lose Suzuki next year
          Unless the cap goes up by 8 million grin
          sensibleguy, Campabee et OlegP a aimé ceci.
          14 sept. à 0 h 35
          #10
          Stay mad
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          Quoting: MisstheWhalers
          Rangers should take that and run.


          That’s a terrible trade for rangers. If they aren’t trading Schneider for eichel why are they going to for hertl
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          14 sept. à 0 h 40
          #11
          MisstheWhalers
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          Quoting: NYRxLundqvist
          That’s a terrible trade for rangers. If they aren’t trading Schneider for eichel why are they going to for hertl


          Cause they're morons I guess, they're flush with RHD, they can afford to part with one.
          sensibleguy a aimé ceci.
          14 sept. à 0 h 46
          #12
          Stay mad
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          Quoting: MisstheWhalers
          Cause they're morons I guess, they're flush with RHD, they can afford to part with one.


          Not really eventually they will move on from trouba either via trade or buyout. So RHD would be fox lundkvist Schneider
          14 sept. à 1 h 8
          #13
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          Temple of Ferraro
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          Quoting: RazWild
          Actually, as both a Wild fan and Sharks fan. That return is slightly too low, provided Hertl came with an extension as proposed here. I would personally swap out Khovanov for Beckman, drop the 2nd, then tack on Rask and Greenway for cap purposes and to even out the trade value.

          To MIN:
          Hertl w/extension

          To SJS:
          Rask
          Greenway
          Khusnutdinov
          Beckman
          2022 1st

          Rask is off the books after this year anyway so he's not the negative asset people like to make him out to be, he's strictly there for the cap. Greenway is worth about a low 1st on his own and could be a potential Kane replacement. Beckman is the stronger prospect, so another win for San Jose there as well.

          The trade above that I listed is fairer for both sides involved, imo.


          After watching Greenway play against the Sharks last year, I would definitely take this. I really like what I've seen from Khusnutdinov, so I might have over valued him a bit (He was taken the pick before Bordeleau).
          14 sept. à 2 h 42
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          Habs accept!
          14 sept. à 5 h 52
          #15
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          These are all super solid trades.
          jpsnow13 et Bias_it_self a aimé ceci.
          14 sept. à 7 h 20
          #16
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          Quoting: MisstheWhalers
          Rangers should take that and run.


          Rangers aren't giving up anything close to that for hertl with healthy knees
          14 sept. à 9 h 24
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          No one is giving this kinda thing up for a good 2C that is a rental. It’s never happened in NHL history, and it’s not about to just randomly happen now.

          About 40-50% of these packages.
          1st and a 3rd. No mas.
          14 sept. à 11 h 21
          #18
          You know nothing JS
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          Quoting: corson
          I agree
          Picking up Hertl with an extension means we lose Suzuki next year
          Unless the cap goes up by 8 million grin


          Well sending Drouin and Romanov the other way makes them save 6.5M. Buyout Byron and you got your 8M grin
          14 sept. à 11 h 26
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          Quoting: CMcAvoy73
          No one is giving this kinda thing up for a good 2C that is a rental. It’s never happened in NHL history, and it’s not about to just randomly happen now.

          About 40-50% of these packages.
          1st and a 3rd. No mas.


          Did you read the description? All these trades have an extension in place...
          OlegP a aimé ceci.
          14 sept. à 13 h 41
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          Quoting: Bias_it_self
          Did you read the description? All these trades have an extension in place...


          And this right here is just so frustrating. A couple of guys sign an extension shortly after getting traded and now every trade has an extension in place. It’s rare. Very very very rare. So rare that’s not really worth considering.
          14 sept. à 14 h 9
          #21
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          Quoting: CMcAvoy73
          And this right here is just so frustrating. A couple of guys sign an extension shortly after getting traded and now every trade has an extension in place. It’s rare. Very very very rare. So rare that’s not really worth considering.


          Buddy, you’re missing my point. These are trades WITH an extension. I’m not saying he’s 100% going to sign an extension. I didn’t do a Boston trade because I didn’t want to deal with Bruins fans. Just stop and stick to Bruins AGMs.
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          14 sept. à 14 h 10
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          Quoting: Bias_it_self
          Buddy, you’re missing my point. These are trades WITH an extension. I’m not saying he’s 100% going to sign an extension. I didn’t do a Boston trade because I didn’t want to deal with Bruins fans. Just stop and stick to Bruins AGMs.


          No. I’ll comment on what i want to comment on. If you don’t like it, you can put me on ignore. You put something on a public forum, asking people not to comment on it because they disagree with you is butter soft.
          14 sept. à 14 h 17
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          Quoting: CMcAvoy73
          No. I’ll comment on what i want to comment on. If you don’t like it, you can put me on ignore. You put something on a public forum, asking people not to comment on it because they disagree with you is butter soft.


          I’m just telling you to stop because you’re annoying
          14 sept. à 14 h 24
          #24
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          Quoting: Bias_it_self
          I’m just telling you to stop because you’re annoying


          Well i think that’s your issue and not my issue. The ignore option is always available. You just have to click on my name, and a couple options come down. The bottom one is to place me on your ignore list.
          17 sept. à 3 h 3
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          Quoting: jpsnow13
          Well sending Drouin and Romanov the other way makes them save 6.5M. Buyout Byron and you got your 8M grin


          Its too tight. Suzuki needs a BIG raise then Caufield the following year. And, I'm not moving Romanov and a 1st rounder unless its for legitimate 1C or 1D. Romanov is going to breakout ala poor man's Charlie McAvoy
           
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