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Équipe: 2021-22 Canadiens de Montréal
Date de création initiale: 13 sept. 2021
Publié: 13 sept. 2021
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What if Montreal offered Buffalo 5 First Round Picks and a decent prospect (Poehling and/or Harris) for Eichel. The 5 First Round Picks happens to be the max compensation for the top RFA signings). I know that an initial reaction from Montreal fans MAY be: "That is way too much".
But what if you have Eichel for the next 5 years? I think I could easily make the argument that Montreal would finish in the top half of the league each of those years with Eichel on the team (see below), which means that the first round pick each year pick would be no higher than #16. If you look at Montreal's draft history in the first round over the last 20 years when the player they have drafted in the first round is picked no higher than slot #16 there is Kaiden Guhle and then a whole lot of nothing.
So if you have Eichel on the team without giving up current key roster players for him isn't that worth it?
The Habs have not been hurt by not having Ryan Poehling (to date), Noah Juulsen, NIkita Scherbak, MIchael McCarron, Nathan Beaulieu, Jarred Tinordi, Louis LeBlanc, David Fischer and Kyle Chipchura over the years (all of them were post #16 first round picks). I would trade all of those guys for Jack Eichel in a heartbeat.
Does Buffalo think that 5 first Rounders + Poehling + Harris (or other prospects) is not enough?
I don't know
Maybe the 5 first round picks is worth it to Buffalo so that they can use those picks in the next 2 drafts to get Shane Wright or Connor Bedard if they do not win the draft lottery in those years, which is really what the Sabres are shooting for short term.
If you are a team like Montreal that does not draft well in the latter half of the 1st round, then what are you really missing out on?
Is my logic far off the mark?
Is there a need for Poehling in the next 5 years if you have Eichel, Suzuki, Dvorak and Evans?
Does this give Carey Price the best shot at a Cup ring in Montreal?
And yes, I have thought about the cost of signing Suzuki, Romanov and Caufield in the future and it can be done with some cost cutting in the fringe areas.
I think that no risk equals no reward.
And unless there is a medical expert in these postings that can tell me that Eichel won't recover, then i am not super worried about it. Medical science is pretty advanced and I cannot think of any noteworthy player who has not had a big surgery and then never played again (yes injuries have derailed careers, but not surgeries).
This is perhaps unconventional thinking but it has been 28 years since the Cup has been in Montreal and I think this could get them much closer.
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13 sept. 2021 à 13 h 55
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13 sept. 2021 à 13 h 57
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The top RFA offer sheet compensation is 4 1sts
13 sept. 2021 à 13 h 59
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The top RFA offer sheet compensation is 4 1sts


OK. Maybe offer them 5 anyway
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13 sept. 2021 à 14 h 1
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No thanks


That was a cap clearing move. If you are not sending Drouin to the Rangers then somewhere else for whatever Drouin can get, as long as no salary comes back to Montreal.
13 sept. 2021 à 14 h 34
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That was a cap clearing move. If you are not sending Drouin to the Rangers then somewhere else for whatever Drouin can get, as long as no salary comes back to Montreal.


Buffalo can't just trade Eichel for picks and prospects, they need cap back to make the CAP FLOOR. As it stands right now they are 2.5 Mil below the floor with just Dahlin to resign. Dahlin likely gets 3-5 Mil on a 3-5 year deal. So IF they move Eichel they need to get 7.5-9.5 Mil cap back or they need to sign enough bad contracts to hit the floor (which makes little sense).
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13 sept. 2021 à 14 h 43
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Quoting: Campabee
Buffalo can't just trade Eichel for picks and prospects, they need cap back to make the CAP FLOOR. As it stands right now they are 2.5 Mil below the floor with just Dahlin to resign. Dahlin likely gets 3-5 Mil on a 3-5 year deal. So IF they move Eichel they need to get 7.5-9.5 Mil cap back or they need to sign enough bad contracts to hit the floor (which makes little sense).


OK. What if the 4 First Round picks (the max compensation for RFA) and Poehling cover the Eichel value and the 5th First Round Pick from Montreal covers the value of Buffalo taking on Jonathan Drouin and Paul Byron (both of whom have 2 years left)? Drouin and Byron equals $8.9M.

Buffalo can then go wild signing free agents to stay at the floor after Drouin and Byron are off their books. Those free agents supplement Cozens, Dahlin, Power, Wright/Bedard, MIttelstadt, Olofsson, Thompson, Quin, Peterka, etc.
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13 sept. 2021 à 14 h 48
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You want the Habs to overpay for Eichel, go right ahead, but the Rangers aren't going to touch the trade you suggest. Not a chance,
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13 sept. 2021 à 14 h 50
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You want the Habs to overpay for Eichel, go right ahead, but the Rangers aren't going to touch the trade you suggest. Not a chance,


How much of an overpay do you think it is? How much less should they offer?

I would love for it to be less.
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13 sept. 2021 à 14 h 51
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You want the Habs to overpay for Eichel, go right ahead, but the Rangers aren't going to touch the trade you suggest. Not a chance,


Someone will take Drouin for SOMETHING (LOL). I chose the Rangers, but it could be someone else. Doesn't really matter which team.
13 sept. 2021 à 15 h 7
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The Sabres want 1 pick, in 2022, MTL starts the conversation with Caufield
13 sept. 2021 à 18 h 24
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Someone will take Drouin for SOMETHING (LOL). I chose the Rangers, but it could be someone else. Doesn't really matter which team.


I don't know the Habs prospects well enough to comment on how much for Eichel, but 5 1st round picks is crazy IMO. My comment is about the Rangers. They have no need for those players, especially at Drouins cost.
14 sept. 2021 à 8 h 34
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Drouin is a cap dump .
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14 sept. 2021 à 10 h 31
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OK. What if the 4 First Round picks...and Poehling cover the Eichel value and the 5th First Round Pick from Montreal covers the value of Buffalo taking on Jonathan Drouin and Paul Byron?...
So Buffalo would have three first round picks next year (their own, FLA and one of either MTL or CAR), and two for the next 4 years (their own and MTL).
Plus Poehling and Drouin?
While a bright NHL future for Poehling seems unlikely, I think Drouin could turn it around.
Then as play acting GM, after I make this trade, I send Olofsson for another first round pick in a solid draft (I may need to add for this).
I would make this trade.
Many Sabre ACGM want Caufield and Suzuki, I want a bright future.
Offer you made in this comment offers that.
Let's make a deal.
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14 sept. 2021 à 18 h 40
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Buffalo will never get all that for Eichel. That's a McDavid level return that will ruin the franchise
15 sept. 2021 à 7 h 54
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Buffalo will never get all that for Eichel. That's a McDavid level return that will ruin the franchise


What would you take out?
 
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