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Créé par: KentMcNally
Date de création initiale: 13 sept. 2021
Publié: 13 sept. 2021
Équipe: 2021-22 Canadiens de Montréal
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What if Montreal offered Buffalo 5 First Round Picks and a decent prospect (Poehling and/or Harris) for Eichel. The 5 First Round Picks happens to be the max compensation for the top RFA signings). I know that an initial reaction from Montreal fans MAY be: "That is way too much".
But what if you have Eichel for the next 5 years? I think I could easily make the argument that Montreal would finish in the top half of the league each of those years with Eichel on the team (see below), which means that the first round pick each year pick would be no higher than #16. If you look at Montreal's draft history in the first round over the last 20 years when the player they have drafted in the first round is picked no higher than slot #16 there is Kaiden Guhle and then a whole lot of nothing.
So if you have Eichel on the team without giving up current key roster players for him isn't that worth it?
The Habs have not been hurt by not having Ryan Poehling (to date), Noah Juulsen, NIkita Scherbak, MIchael McCarron, Nathan Beaulieu, Jarred Tinordi, Louis LeBlanc, David Fischer and Kyle Chipchura over the years (all of them were post #16 first round picks). I would trade all of those guys for Jack Eichel in a heartbeat.
Does Buffalo think that 5 first Rounders + Poehling + Harris (or other prospects) is not enough?
I don't know
Maybe the 5 first round picks is worth it to Buffalo so that they can use those picks in the next 2 drafts to get Shane Wright or Connor Bedard if they do not win the draft lottery in those years, which is really what the Sabres are shooting for short term.
If you are a team like Montreal that does not draft well in the latter half of the 1st round, then what are you really missing out on?
Is my logic far off the mark?
Is there a need for Poehling in the next 5 years if you have Eichel, Suzuki, Dvorak and Evans?
Does this give Carey Price the best shot at a Cup ring in Montreal?
And yes, I have thought about the cost of signing Suzuki, Romanov and Caufield in the future and it can be done with some cost cutting in the fringe areas.
I think that no risk equals no reward.
And unless there is a medical expert in these postings that can tell me that Eichel won't recover, then i am not super worried about it. Medical science is pretty advanced and I cannot think of any noteworthy player who has not had a big surgery and then never played again (yes injuries have derailed careers, but not surgeries).
This is perhaps unconventional thinking but it has been 28 years since the Cup has been in Montreal and I think this could get them much closer.
Transactions
1.
MTL
  1. Eichel, Jack
BUF
  1. Poehling, Ryan
  2. Harris, Jordan [Liste de réserve]
  3. 2022 1e round pick (CAR)
  4. 2023 1e round pick (MTL)
  5. 2024 1e round pick (MTL)
Détails additionnels:
2025 First Round Pick
2026 First Round Pick
2.
MTL
  1. 2024 1e round pick (NYR)
NYR
  1. Drouin, Jonathan
  2. Mysak, Jan
Rachats de contrats
  • Karl Alzner: 1 958 333 $
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
2022
MTL
MTL
ANA
CAR
MTL
TBL
MTL
MTL
MTL
STL
2023
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
2024
NYR
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2281 500 000 $81 378 394 $597 561 $1 557 500 $121 606 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
MTL
Toffoli, Tyler
4 250 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 3
BUF
Eichel, Jack
10 000 000 $
C
UFA - 5
MTL
Gallagher, Brendan
6 500 000 $
AD
NMC NTC
UFA - 6
MTL
Anderson, Josh
5 500 000 $
AD, AG
NTC
UFA - 6
MTL
Suzuki, Nick
863 333 $
C, AD
UFA - 1
MTL
Caufield, Cole
880 833 $
AD, AG
RFA - 2
MTL
Hoffman, Mike
4 500 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 3
MTL
Dvorak, Christian
4 450 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 4
MTL
Armia, Joel
3 400 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 4
MTL
Lehkonen, Artturi
2 300 000 $
AG, AD
RFA - 1
MTL
Evans, Jake
750 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 1
MTL
Paquette, Cédric
950 000 $
C, AG, AD
UFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
MTL
Edmundson, Joel
3 500 000 $
DG
NTC
UFA - 3
MTL
Petry, Jeff
6 250 000 $
DD
NMC NTC
UFA - 4
MTL
Price, Carey
10 500 000 $
G
NMC
UFA - 5
MTL
Chiarot, Ben
3 500 000 $
DG/DD
NTC
UFA - 1
MTL
Savard, David
3 500 000 $
DD
UFA - 4
MTL
Allen, Jake
2 875 000 $
G
UFA - 2
MTL
Romanov, Alexander
894 167 $
DG
RFA - 1
MTL
Norlinder, Mattias
859 167 $
DG
RFA - 3
MTL
Kulak, Brett
1 850 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
MTL
Wideman, Chris
750 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
MTL
Weber, Shea
7 857 143 $
DD
UFA - 5
MTL
Byron, Paul
3 400 000 $
AG, AD, C
UFA - 2

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13 sept. 2021 à 13 h 55
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No thanks
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13 sept. 2021 à 13 h 57
#2
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The top RFA offer sheet compensation is 4 1sts
13 sept. 2021 à 13 h 59
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Quoting: Gmonwy
The top RFA offer sheet compensation is 4 1sts


OK. Maybe offer them 5 anyway
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13 sept. 2021 à 14 h 1
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Quoting: Ragsandbluesfan
No thanks


That was a cap clearing move. If you are not sending Drouin to the Rangers then somewhere else for whatever Drouin can get, as long as no salary comes back to Montreal.
13 sept. 2021 à 14 h 34
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Quoting: KentMcNally
That was a cap clearing move. If you are not sending Drouin to the Rangers then somewhere else for whatever Drouin can get, as long as no salary comes back to Montreal.


Buffalo can't just trade Eichel for picks and prospects, they need cap back to make the CAP FLOOR. As it stands right now they are 2.5 Mil below the floor with just Dahlin to resign. Dahlin likely gets 3-5 Mil on a 3-5 year deal. So IF they move Eichel they need to get 7.5-9.5 Mil cap back or they need to sign enough bad contracts to hit the floor (which makes little sense).
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13 sept. 2021 à 14 h 43
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Quoting: Campabee
Buffalo can't just trade Eichel for picks and prospects, they need cap back to make the CAP FLOOR. As it stands right now they are 2.5 Mil below the floor with just Dahlin to resign. Dahlin likely gets 3-5 Mil on a 3-5 year deal. So IF they move Eichel they need to get 7.5-9.5 Mil cap back or they need to sign enough bad contracts to hit the floor (which makes little sense).


OK. What if the 4 First Round picks (the max compensation for RFA) and Poehling cover the Eichel value and the 5th First Round Pick from Montreal covers the value of Buffalo taking on Jonathan Drouin and Paul Byron (both of whom have 2 years left)? Drouin and Byron equals $8.9M.

Buffalo can then go wild signing free agents to stay at the floor after Drouin and Byron are off their books. Those free agents supplement Cozens, Dahlin, Power, Wright/Bedard, MIttelstadt, Olofsson, Thompson, Quin, Peterka, etc.
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13 sept. 2021 à 14 h 48
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You want the Habs to overpay for Eichel, go right ahead, but the Rangers aren't going to touch the trade you suggest. Not a chance,
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13 sept. 2021 à 14 h 50
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Quoting: delneggs
You want the Habs to overpay for Eichel, go right ahead, but the Rangers aren't going to touch the trade you suggest. Not a chance,


How much of an overpay do you think it is? How much less should they offer?

I would love for it to be less.
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13 sept. 2021 à 14 h 51
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Quoting: delneggs
You want the Habs to overpay for Eichel, go right ahead, but the Rangers aren't going to touch the trade you suggest. Not a chance,


Someone will take Drouin for SOMETHING (LOL). I chose the Rangers, but it could be someone else. Doesn't really matter which team.
13 sept. 2021 à 15 h 7
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The Sabres want 1 pick, in 2022, MTL starts the conversation with Caufield
13 sept. 2021 à 18 h 24
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Quoting: KentMcNally
Someone will take Drouin for SOMETHING (LOL). I chose the Rangers, but it could be someone else. Doesn't really matter which team.


I don't know the Habs prospects well enough to comment on how much for Eichel, but 5 1st round picks is crazy IMO. My comment is about the Rangers. They have no need for those players, especially at Drouins cost.
14 sept. 2021 à 8 h 34
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Drouin is a cap dump .
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14 sept. 2021 à 10 h 31
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Quoting: KentMcNally
OK. What if the 4 First Round picks...and Poehling cover the Eichel value and the 5th First Round Pick from Montreal covers the value of Buffalo taking on Jonathan Drouin and Paul Byron?...
So Buffalo would have three first round picks next year (their own, FLA and one of either MTL or CAR), and two for the next 4 years (their own and MTL).
Plus Poehling and Drouin?
While a bright NHL future for Poehling seems unlikely, I think Drouin could turn it around.
Then as play acting GM, after I make this trade, I send Olofsson for another first round pick in a solid draft (I may need to add for this).
I would make this trade.
Many Sabre ACGM want Caufield and Suzuki, I want a bright future.
Offer you made in this comment offers that.
Let's make a deal.
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14 sept. 2021 à 18 h 40
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Buffalo will never get all that for Eichel. That's a McDavid level return that will ruin the franchise
15 sept. 2021 à 7 h 54
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Quoting: OlegP
Buffalo will never get all that for Eichel. That's a McDavid level return that will ruin the franchise


What would you take out?
 
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