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Équipe: 2021-22 Canadiens de Montréal
Date de création initiale: 13 sept. 2021
Publié: 13 sept. 2021
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Not that the Habs would ever do it but this would be the ask from them for Gallagher. Also Av's were just used as a value example not as a team with that would be the most likely partner but I do feel there is a decent fit.
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  1. Barron, Justin
  2. Johnson, Erik
  3. Newhook, Alex
  4. Choix de 2e ronde en 2023 (COL)
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  1. Gallagher, Brendan
  2. Choix de 4e ronde en 2022 (MTL)
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Gallagher and a 4th for Newhook and Barron and a 2nd to take Johnson's contract unretained.
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13 sept. 2021 à 11 h 36
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Gallagher isn’t worth that much
Gallagher at 3.75M was worth a lot, not at 6.5M when he already started declining when he didn’t even start is 6 years 6.5M contract
Gallagher isn’t good in the postseason, which reduces is value again
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13 sept. 2021 à 11 h 38
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i think thats about the deal it would take. That being said habs will never get enough to move Gallagher, he will always be worth more to the habs than what another team would pay because of all that he brings to the team.
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13 sept. 2021 à 11 h 41
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Quoting: Poehling
Gallagher isn’t worth that much
Gallagher at 3.75M was worth a lot, not at 6.5M when he already started declining when he didn’t even start is 6 years 6.5M contract
Gallagher isn’t good in the postseason, which reduces is value again


You do realize that Gally has been on pace or acheived 30+ goals (prorated) in all of the last 4 years and was on a 50+ point pace over the same timeframe right!?
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13 sept. 2021 à 11 h 47
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Quoting: Poehling
Gallagher isn’t worth that much
Gallagher at 3.75M was worth a lot, not at 6.5M when he already started declining when he didn’t even start is 6 years 6.5M contract
Gallagher isn’t good in the postseason, which reduces is value again


Where do you get these ideas from?
Gallagher was on pace for 32 goals last year. 30 the year before. There's literally no sign of a decline.
Playoffs are somewhat valid as a point, but we all know he was playing with Danault and defaulted to a shut down role.
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13 sept. 2021 à 12 h 12
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come on you cant be serious, Newhook and Barron for an overpaid Gallagher. even as an example you have to temper your expectations. Gallagher has become the new Kreider....no one wants that term and aav right now
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13 sept. 2021 à 12 h 32
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you'd have to include caufield to make that fair.
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13 sept. 2021 à 12 h 43
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come on you cant be serious, Newhook and Barron for an overpaid Gallagher. even as an example you have to temper your expectations. Gallagher has become the new Kreider....no one wants that term and aav right now


Yeah no one wants a 30 goal scorer in his prime (albeit late prime but still prime) RIGHT good one ROFLMAO! Gallagher is not overpaid right now maybe in 3 or 4 years sure but right now not even close!
13 sept. 2021 à 12 h 47
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Yeah no one wants a 30 goal scorer in his prime (albeit late prime but still prime) RIGHT good one ROFLMAO! Gallagher is not overpaid right now maybe in 3 or 4 years sure but right now not even close!


He is slightly overpaid 6.5m aav is not cheap for a guy who isnt a bonafine top line player, and that doesnt mean hes a bad player....just hes not a 1st liner league wide.
When someone like Landeskog who does what Gallagher does but at a higher level is only make 500k more than him. Yeah I would say he is slightly overpaid
13 sept. 2021 à 13 h 2
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Quoting: coga16
He is overpaid 6.5m aav is not cheap for a guy who isnt a bonafine top line player. When someone like Landeskog who does what Gallagher does but at a higher level is only make 500k more than him. Yeah I would say he is slightly overpaid


Rackell, Marchand, Ehlers (has a slightly better deal and point production), Evander Kane, Boeser, Fiala (although slightly younger), Brayden Schenn (less of a goal scorer), Lee, Nelson and Oshie. All players similar in age and point production whose contracts range from 5.25-7 mil. Literally means that Gallagher is NOT overpaid for what he brings, just underrated by trolls like you.
13 sept. 2021 à 13 h 7
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Quoting: Campabee
Rackell, Marchand, Ehlers (has a slightly better deal and point production), Evander Kane, Boeser, Fiala (although slightly younger), Brayden Schenn (less of a goal scorer), Lee, Nelson and Oshie. All players similar in age and point production whose contracts range from 5.25-7 mil. Literally means that Gallagher is NOT overpaid for what he brings, just underrated by trolls like you.


you listed a bunch of contracts that are not relevant....none of them were signed this past season....both Landeskog and Gallagher were.
And im not trolling, im having a legit conversation comparing contract values of 2 players who signed at similar ages in the same season.

Lanedskog, Hall, Nugent Hopkins...they were the UFA comps in the same signing year pending into Pending UFA. Looking at what everyone signed for, Gallagher is slighgtly on the expensive side....that is not trolling
13 sept. 2021 à 13 h 15
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you listed a bunch of contracts that are not relevant....none of them were signed this past season....both Landeskog and Gallagher were.


Not relevant?! They literally are relevant, they were the comps used to determine his value, Landy took a team friendly deal to stay where he was and puts up more points. You are comparing apples to oranges there, that is NOT a comp. A comp to Landeskog would be Gadreau or Tarasenko (without shoulder issues) or Huberdeau
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13 sept. 2021 à 13 h 20
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Not relevant?! They literally are relevant, they were the comps used to determine his value, Landy took a team friendly deal to stay where he was and puts up more points. You are comparing apples to oranges there, that is NOT a comp. A comp to Landeskog would be Gadreau or Tarasenko (without shoulder issues) or Huberdeau


Contracts signed years apart from one another, in different cap eras, pre and post pandemic...yes they are not relevant in comparing what players recently singing for

No Gaudreau signed his contract as an RFA, Tarasenko signed his an RFA...6 years ago. Huberdeau is on his post ELC extension. None of them are pending UFA extensions. You know....recent comparables of similar singing age and expiry status of players....which would be Landeskog, Hall, and Nuge THIS offseason. those are what you compare the contracts of Gallagher against.
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13 sept. 2021 à 13 h 24
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All in all, I don't think Colorado would move Newhook for anyone. Maybe Eichel. But I'm hesitant on even that.
13 sept. 2021 à 13 h 25
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Even though he's a very goo player, Colorado definitely wouldn't do this. I don't think other teams would match such a price either.

If this is really the cost, then Gallagher is stating put (which I believe was essentially the point of the post anyway).
13 sept. 2021 à 13 h 36
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Contracts signed years apart from one another, in different cap eras, pre and post pandemic...yes they are not relevant in comparing what players recently singing for

No Gaudreau signed his contract as an RFA, Tarasenko signed his an RFA...6 years ago. Huberdeau is on his post ELC extension. None of them are pending UFA extensions.


You don't use players of higher skill to value a player's worth, you use similar skill and age. Pre and post pandemic number's don't matter cause players DO NOT care about the current or future economics of the club. Not many FA signed for less this year than they would have pre-pandemic. Hamilton took 9 M, Hall took 6 M, Makar took 9 M, Jones 9.5 M, Weirenski 9.58 M, Ovechkin 9.5 M, Laine 7.5 M these are not discounts. Even guys like Statsny, Garland, Buchnevich, Armia, Schwartz, Barrie and Grubaeur took deals similar to pre-pandemic values. There are not many players who took contracts at a lower cap hit because of the economics of the teams, some did sure but not many.
13 sept. 2021 à 13 h 39
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Even though he's a very goo player, Colorado definitely wouldn't do this. I don't think other teams would match such a price either.

If this is really the cost, then Gallagher is stating put (which I believe was essentially the point of the post anyway).


It absolutely was the point of the post lol
13 sept. 2021 à 15 h 57
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This is unreal newhook????
13 sept. 2021 à 19 h 5
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You do realize that Gally has been on pace or acheived 30+ goals (prorated) in all of the last 4 years and was on a 50+ point pace over the same timeframe right!?


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Where do you get these ideas from?
Gallagher was on pace for 32 goals last year. 30 the year before. There's literally no sign of a decline.
Playoffs are somewhat valid as a point, but we all know he was playing with Danault and defaulted to a shut down role.


Guys eyes test
Gallagher seems exhausted after 20 secondes every shifts
He is not good at forechecking like before
He still a decent 2nd line winger, but that contract is another mistake made by Bergevin
Byron the first
Now Gallagher
Almost made it with Danault as well
Even if Tatar Danault Gallagher would have walked out, so what
We still have Caufield Anderson Toffoli(playing LW) Armia Ylönen on the RW
We made it too the Stanley Cup final ! It was the time to change the core, knowing Weber career was ending.
Our new veterans would be our dcore (Eddy Petey Savard) Price Anderson Toffoli Armia Lehkonen
Anyway I think it was mistake resigning Gallagher a year before he becomes UFA. We should have wait if he can do something in the playoffs but no, he doesn’t.
Lehkonen is a better player (version) of Gallagher in the postseason (the only thing Lehkonen doesn’t do is annoying the other team, but he goes in front of the net and works hard)
13 sept. 2021 à 19 h 30
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Guys eyes test
Gallagher seems exhausted after 20 secondes every shifts
He is not good at forechecking like before
He still a decent 2nd line winger, but that contract is another mistake made by Bergevin
Byron the first
Now Gallagher
Almost made it with Danault as well
Even if Tatar Danault Gallagher would have walked out, so what
We still have Caufield Anderson Toffoli(playing LW) Armia Ylönen on the RW
We made it too the Stanley Cup final ! It was the time to change the core, knowing Weber career was ending.
Our new veterans would be our dcore (Eddy Petey Savard) Price Anderson Toffoli Armia Lehkonen
Anyway I think it was mistake resigning Gallagher a year before he becomes UFA. We should have wait if he can do something in the playoffs but no, he doesn’t.
Lehkonen is a better player (version) of Gallagher in the postseason (the only thing Lehkonen doesn’t do is annoying the other team, but he goes in front of the net and works hard)


Lehkonen doesn't put up 30 goals a season, he doesn't provide leadership on and off of the ice, he isn't the catalyst for the offense the way Gally is. If Gallagher is injured the offense has dried up in recent years. Right now no one provides the same qualities that Gallagher brings to the team. You may not like how his contract will age but he is definitely not overpaid. I have said the same thing about Drouin but look around the league look at 27-30 year old players who consistently put up 30+ goals and 50+ points, their pay ranges from 5.25-7 Mil. Gally is at the top end but not overpaid.
13 sept. 2021 à 19 h 44
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Quoting: Poehling
Guys eyes test
Gallagher seems exhausted after 20 secondes every shifts
He is not good at forechecking like before
He still a decent 2nd line winger, but that contract is another mistake made by Bergevin
Byron the first
Now Gallagher
Almost made it with Danault as well
Even if Tatar Danault Gallagher would have walked out, so what
We still have Caufield Anderson Toffoli(playing LW) Armia Ylönen on the RW
We made it too the Stanley Cup final ! It was the time to change the core, knowing Weber career was ending.
Our new veterans would be our dcore (Eddy Petey Savard) Price Anderson Toffoli Armia Lehkonen
Anyway I think it was mistake resigning Gallagher a year before he becomes UFA. We should have wait if he can do something in the playoffs but no, he doesn’t.
Lehkonen is a better player (version) of Gallagher in the postseason (the only thing Lehkonen doesn’t do is annoying the other team, but he goes in front of the net and works hard)


He passes the eye test. I watch all but a handful of games every season. He gives full effort every shift so of course he seems exhausted at times. Younger players with less effort are just as exhausted if not more.

$6.5M is decent for a player who is on pace for 30 goals in 4 consecutive seasons. Lee and Kane are the closest wingers to his G/GP and they are signed long term for $7M.
You can argue playoffs, but he's still the same player there. He doesn't always get the best assignments. That's the "problem" of being a player who can be relied on anywhere and not just deployed on the top line.
13 sept. 2021 à 19 h 45
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Quoting: Campabee
Lehkonen doesn't put up 30 goals a season, he doesn't provide leadership on and off of the ice, he isn't the catalyst for the offense the way Gally is. If Gallagher is injured the offense has dried up in recent years. Right now no one provides the same qualities that Gallagher brings to the team. You may not like how his contract will age but he is definitely not overpaid. I have said the same thing about Drouin but look around the league look at 27-30 year old players who consistently put up 30+ goals and 50+ points, their pay ranges from 5.25-7 Mil. Gally is at the top end but not overpaid.


I only compared Lehkonen and Gallagher postseason only so I don’t know why you’re a bringing the regular season. Lehkonen was assistant captian in 2018 at 23 yo … so he yes he has some leadership by the way of is work ethic
14 sept. 2021 à 0 h 22
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Quoting: Poehling
I only compared Lehkonen and Gallagher postseason only so I don’t know why you’re a bringing the regular season. Lehkonen was assistant captian in 2018 at 23 yo … so he yes he has some leadership by the way of is work ethic


Irregardless post-season or regular season Gallagher is three times the player that Lehkonen is, hence the reason Gallagher is in the top 6 and Lehkonen is on the 4th line or scratched regularly. Basically Lehkonen couldn't hols a candle to Gallagher's fart talent wise!
14 sept. 2021 à 0 h 51
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Irregardless post-season or regular season Gallagher is three times the player that Lehkonen is, hence the reason Gallagher is in the top 6 and Lehkonen is on the 4th line or scratched regularly. Basically Lehkonen couldn't hols a candle to Gallagher's fart talent wise!


Lehkonen have more hands (not by a lot) and a WAY more better shot than Gallagher
Yes Gallagher is the better player, but don’t put Gallagher and talent in the same sentence. Gallagher as the same TALENT then Dwight King. The only reason he is in the NHL it’s because he’s playing with is heart and soul. But he has NO talent
14 sept. 2021 à 9 h 36
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Lehkonen have more hands (not by a lot) and a WAY more better shot than Gallagher
Yes Gallagher is the better player, but don’t put Gallagher and talent in the same sentence. Gallagher as the same TALENT then Dwight King. The only reason he is in the NHL it’s because he’s playing with is heart and soul. But he has NO talent


LMAO, you don't make the NHL on heart and soul alone and you DEFINITELY don't score 30+ goals a season TALENT talent! I never saw Dwight King score 30+ goals and IF you want to compare his production to anyone you can look no further than your dear Lehkonen. King's career high numbers 15 G 15A 30P Lehkonen’s career highs 18G 21A 31P (in different years) so IF anyone's talent matches King's it would be Lehkonen's according to production. Although I would say that Lehkonen is way more talented than King he does not have the same level of talent as Gallagher does. Lehkonen is more of a Poehling level of talent or middle 6 talent and Gallagher is a top 6 talent on the same level as Boesser or DeBrusk or Toffoli
14 sept. 2021 à 15 h 1
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LMAO, you don't make the NHL on heart and soul alone and you DEFINITELY don't score 30+ goals a season TALENT talent! I never saw Dwight King score 30+ goals and IF you want to compare his production to anyone you can look no further than your dear Lehkonen. King's career high numbers 15 G 15A 30P Lehkonen’s career highs 18G 21A 31P (in different years) so IF anyone's talent matches King's it would be Lehkonen's according to production. Although I would say that Lehkonen is way more talented than King he does not have the same level of talent as Gallagher does. Lehkonen is more of a Poehling level of talent or middle 6 talent and Gallagher is a top 6 talent on the same level as Boesser or DeBrusk or Toffoli


King as no heart and no skating skills so he is dog**** (the worse player have see ) but Gallagher doesn’t have talent either. But because he tries hard and have a decent skating, he’s good. But 30+ goals and 25+ of them are garbage goals. He score what, 2 beauty maximum in is career.
Lehkonen as no finish, if he had some he would be a 2nd liner
The real issue Lehkonen have is that he got no hands
 
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