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With Out Marner Pt2

Créé par: Joey
Date de création initiale: 9 sept. 2021
Publié: 10 sept. 2021
Équipe: 2021-22 Maple Leafs de Toronto
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
UFAANSCAP HIT
Demers, Jason1900 000 $
Transactions
1.
TOR
  1. Larkin, Dylan
  2. 2022 2e round pick (DET)
  3. 2023 2e round pick (DET)
DET
  1. Marner, Mitchell
2.
TOR
  1. 2023 3e round pick (CGY)
  2. 2023 4e round pick (CGY)
CGY
  1. Kerfoot, Alexander
Détails additionnels:
Any team
3.
TOR
  1. McCann, Jared
  2. Järnkrok, Calle
SEA
  1. 2022 1e round pick (TOR)
4.
TOR
  1. 2022 4e round pick (SJS)
SJS
  1. Mikheyev, Ilya
Détails additionnels:
Any team
5.
TOR
  1. Kessel, Phil (3 200 000 $ retained)
ARI
  1. 2022 2e round pick (DET)
  2. 2023 3e round pick (TOR)
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
  • Phil Kessel: 1 200 000 $ (15%)
Enfoui
  • Pierre Engvall: 125 000 $ (1 250 000 $)
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
2022
TOR
SJS
TOR
2023
TOR
DET
TOR
CGY
TOR
CGY
TOR
TOR
2024
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2481 500 000 $81 375 116 $0 $400 000 $124 884 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
SEA
McCann, Jared
2 940 000 $
AG, C
RFA - 1
TOR
Matthews, Auston
11 640 250 $
C
UFA - 3
TOR
Nylander, William
6 962 366 $
AD, AG
UFA - 3
DET
Larkin, Dylan
6 100 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 2
TOR
Tavares, John
11 000 000 $
C
NMC
UFA - 4
ARI
Kessel, Phil
3 600 000 $
AD
NMC NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Ritchie, Nick
2 500 000 $
AG
UFA - 2
TOR
Kämpf, David
1 500 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 2
SEA
Järnkrok, Calle
2 000 000 $
AG, C, AD
UFA - 1
TOR
Bunting, Michael
950 000 $
AG
UFA - 2
TOR
Spezza, Jason
750 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 1
TOR
Kase, Ondrej
1 250 000 $
AD
RFA - 1
TOR
Brooks, Adam
725 000 $
C
RFA - 1
TOR
Simmonds, Wayne
900 000 $
AD, AG
NTC
UFA - 2
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
TOR
Rielly, Morgan
5 000 000 $
DG
NMC
UFA - 1
TOR
Brodie, TJ
5 000 000 $
DD
NTC
UFA - 3
TOR
Campbell, Jack
1 650 000 $
G
UFA - 1
TOR
Muzzin, Jake
5 625 000 $
DG
NTC
UFA - 3
TOR
Holl, Justin
2 000 000 $
DD
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Mrázek, Petr
3 800 000 $
G
NTC
UFA - 3
TOR
Sandin, Rasmus
894 167 $
DG
RFA - 1
TOR
Dermott, Travis
1 500 000 $
DG/DD
RFA - 2
Demers, Jason
900 000 $
DD
UFA
TOR
Liljegren, Timothy
863 333 $
DD
RFA - 1

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10 sept. à 21 h 31
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Modifié 10 sept. à 22 h 1
Yikes that is some bad value for Marner.

Edit: completely blew past me but I doubt Detroit trades their captain..
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10 sept. à 21 h 32
#2
Steve
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Oh god! No! Just No!
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10 sept. à 21 h 37
#3
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Quoting: Stevierebz
Oh god! No! Just No!


What's wrong. It's better than the team now.
10 sept. à 21 h 37
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Blues and canadiens
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Detroit won’t trade their hometown captain
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10 sept. à 21 h 43
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Quoting: Cecifornorristrophy
Detroit won’t trade their hometown captain


Thank You.
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10 sept. à 21 h 56
#6
Ladd Weekend Soon
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Quoting: Cecifornorristrophy
Detroit won’t trade their hometown captain

For a player as good as Marner... I'd consider it for sure.

But honestly, this doesn't really make much sense for either team. Toronto demolishes their already weak winger depth, and Detroit loses their best center. Not ideal for either side.
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10 sept. à 22 h 14
#7
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Dude Reinhart, Seth Jones, OEL and other mediocre players were able to get 1st round picks for them. No matter what you feel about Marner, he’s a point scoring machine. You should value him as such if you’re going to trade him.

In short, Steve Yzerman is laughing his ass off at you while accepting that trade
10 sept. à 22 h 22
#8
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You know I'm actually not opposed to that Detroit trade. If I'm Yzerman I don't pay anything more than that for Marner. Let Larkin go get some playoff experience then resign him in two years, potentially. Marner would be as fantastic add for the Wings even with his cap hit. By the time his contract is up Detroit should be a competitive team so that might entice him to stick around.
10 sept. à 22 h 32
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Quoting: Lancebmx
You know I'm actually not opposed to that Detroit trade. If I'm Yzerman I don't pay anything more than that for Marner. Let Larkin go get some playoff experience then resign him in two years, potentially. Marner would be as fantastic add for the Wings even with his cap hit. By the time his contract is up Detroit should be a competitive team so that might entice him to stick around.


Compare Larkins stats to Marners and then tell me that.

Detroit is also getting 4 years of Marner while Toronto is getting 2 years of Larkin.
10 sept. à 22 h 36
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Quoting: Janasazi
Dude Reinhart, Seth Jones, OEL and other mediocre players were able to get 1st round picks for them. No matter what you feel about Marner, he’s a point scoring machine. You should value him as such if you’re going to trade him.

In short, Steve Yzerman is laughing his ass off at you while accepting that trade


People above just said detroit wouln't do this.
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10 sept. à 22 h 43
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Quoting: Janasazi
Compare Larkins stats to Marners and then tell me that.

Detroit is also getting 4 years of Marner while Toronto is getting 2 years of Larkin.


Just compared Marners stats to Larkins, I'll still say that lol.
Larkin would be an elite player beside other elite players. But to pry Larkin out big Detroit would take a payment similar. Plus Toronto gets 4M in cap relief. Marner is definitely the better player all around but I wouldn't pay more than that.
10 sept. à 22 h 54
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Quoting: Lancebmx
Just compared Marners stats to Larkins, I'll still say that lol.
Larkin would be an elite player beside other elite players. But to pry Larkin out big Detroit would take a payment similar. Plus Toronto gets 4M in cap relief. Marner is definitely the better player all around but I wouldn't pay more than that.


I can respect that. If I were Dubas, I wouldn’t give Marner away for anything less than what Columbus got for Seth Jones because I think he’s worth more than that given how he’s performed
10 sept. à 22 h 57
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Quoting: Janasazi
I can respect that. If I were Dubas, I wouldn’t give Marner away for anything less than what Columbus got for Seth Jones because I think he’s worth more than that given how he’s performed


Totally agree with you here. But Larkin would help the team now, and I saw the other one with Bertuzzi included, now I think that's a bit of an overpayment for two guys Detroit doesn't want to trade but it is an interesting concept.
10 sept. à 23 h 16
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Quoting: Lancebmx
Totally agree with you here. But Larkin would help the team now, and I saw the other one with Bertuzzi included, now I think that's a bit of an overpayment for two guys Detroit doesn't want to trade but it is an interesting concept.


It is but either way all this is hypothetical and probably not going to happen. Like people said Detroit’s not gonna trade their captain and I doubt that Dubas is happy with that haul for Marner.

Another first round exit next year and we might be singing a different tune.
10 sept. à 23 h 18
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Quoting: Janasazi
It is but either way all this is hypothetical and probably not going to happen. Like people said Detroit’s not gonna trade their captain and I doubt that Dubas is happy with that haul for Marner.

Another first round exit next year and we might be singing a different tune.


Yup that's forsure
10 sept. à 23 h 23
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no need for Detroit to lose their 1C and caption. also I think we would be better off trading Rielly since he might not resign
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10 sept. à 23 h 32
#17
arky
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Quoting: Janasazi
Compare Larkins stats to Marners and then tell me that.

Detroit is also getting 4 years of Marner while Toronto is getting 2 years of Larkin.


And Marner plays on a stacked team with two excellent centers. On Wings he would not have that luxury. Usings stats to justify this trade is somewhat false, becuase Larkin plays with good wingers not top line players like Mathews, Tavares, Nylander and Reilly. Nothing on Wings presently compare.
11 sept. à 0 h 55
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I know its not the point of the post but why do Flames need Kerfoot?
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11 sept. à 9 h 1
#19
Marner rocks
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Quoting: ZachHymanForTheHart
Yikes that is some bad value for Marner.

Edit: completely blew past me but I doubt Detroit trades their captain..


agree those 2nd rounders would have to be first rounders and probably a young prospect as well
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11 sept. à 10 h 38
#20
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Quoting: jaok3
agree those 2nd rounders would have to be first rounders and probably a young prospect as well


Detroit wouldn't trade 2 chances a wright and Bedard
 
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