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Date de création initiale: 10 sept. 2021
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10 sept. 2021 à 13 h 34
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If I'm STL I take this and run so fast. I'm sure MTL will never give up Gallagher, he's their heart and soul.
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Admittedly, I like this proposal.
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10 sept. 2021 à 13 h 36
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This is what would finally get Marc Bergevin fired, and rightfully so
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10 sept. 2021 à 13 h 37
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Quoting: ClockReads2113
If I'm STL I take this and run so fast. I'm sure MTL will never give up Gallagher, he's their heart and soul.


This guy gets it. Why don't you get it?
10 sept. 2021 à 13 h 47
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Blues accept but are you sure man?
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10 sept. 2021 à 14 h 0
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Chief would probably cry from joy.
10 sept. 2021 à 14 h 13
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Bergiven would be the biggest idiot if he trades gallagher.
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10 sept. 2021 à 14 h 17
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Quoting: ClockReads2113
If I'm STL I take this and run so fast. I'm sure MTL will never give up Gallagher, he's their heart and soul.


This trade is good for both teams. Vlad just needs a new start. In Montreal, he will be really happy. I know how much Gally loves Mtl but this trade had to be fair. You can't receive if you don't give.
10 sept. 2021 à 14 h 20
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Blues accept but are you sure man?


Yes. I know it's not popular. But hockey is not for that. As a GM you have to built the best team as possible.
10 sept. 2021 à 14 h 23
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Gallagher only leaves if he wants to, and that's probably when there's no chance of a cup here. Yeah I know, chances aren't good, but you don't go to the finals and then blow it up without first trying to get back there.

If Montreal is out of the playoffs or suffers an early exit this year, maybe he considers it. If that's the case we wouldn't be looking for a Tarasenko, but picks/prospects.
There's no lateral move or upgrade for Gallagher that makes sense. He's simply not replaceable.

If Gallagher goes, we might as well move Petry and Price as well. The rest can keep roster spots and be sold off as rentals in their final years if we haven't re-tooled enough to be competitive (which we'll want to do quickly).
10 sept. 2021 à 14 h 51
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Tarasenko has been on the block for some time now and no teams are willing to bite. His ijnury status is too worrisome and even if the price is lowered for the former 40 goal scorer, no one has bitten yet.

You put Gally on the trade market right now and he's traded tomorrow........ You could literally trade Gallagher in a separate trade for full value and trade for Tarasenko for a very reasonable cost and come out better than this trade.

Regardless of what you think about Tarasenko or Gallagher, that tells you all you need to know about how you've valued both assets. That is why this trade is bad for MTL.
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10 sept. 2021 à 15 h 3
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Does St Louis atleast include the Lube in this deal?
Gallagher is Signed with Term on a Contract he's earned and were happy with

Taresenko is a pending UFA with a ridiculous cap coming off major surgery
Unless there is a 1st round pick and a prospect/mid round pick included we have no interest in Giving Gally Away
Especially with Weber out Gally's Leadership role will grow
10 sept. 2021 à 15 h 17
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Quoting: ClockReads2113
If I'm STL I take this and run so fast. I'm sure MTL will never give up Gallagher, he's their heart and soul.


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Admittedly, I like this proposal.


Quoting: Yari
This is what would finally get Marc Bergevin fired, and rightfully so


Quoting: jpsnow13
This guy gets it. Why don't you get it?


Quoting: TheEarthmaster
Blues accept but are you sure man?


Quoting: BluesBandit
Chief would probably cry from joy.


Quoting: Leafsfan16
Bergiven would be the biggest idiot if he trades gallagher.


Quoting: onetwothreescore
This trade is good for both teams. Vlad just needs a new start. In Montreal, he will be really happy. I know how much Gally loves Mtl but this trade had to be fair. You can't receive if you don't give.


Quoting: ricochetii
Gallagher only leaves if he wants to, and that's probably when there's no chance of a cup here. Yeah I know, chances aren't good, but you don't go to the finals and then blow it up without first trying to get back there.

If Montreal is out of the playoffs or suffers an early exit this year, maybe he considers it. If that's the case we wouldn't be looking for a Tarasenko, but picks/prospects.
There's no lateral move or upgrade for Gallagher that makes sense. He's simply not replaceable.

If Gallagher goes, we might as well move Petry and Price as well. The rest can keep roster spots and be sold off as rentals in their final years if we haven't re-tooled enough to be competitive (which we'll want to do quickly).


Quoting: F50marco
Tarasenko has been on the block for some time now and no teams are willing to bite. His ijnury status is too worrisome and even if the price is lowered for the former 40 goal scorer, no one has bitten yet.

You put Gally on the trade market right now and he's traded tomorrow........ You could literally trade Gallagher in a separate trade for full value and trade for Tarasenko for a very reasonable cost and come out better than this trade.

Regardless of what you think about Tarasenko or Gallagher, that tells you all you need to know about how you've valued both assets. That is why this trade is bad for MTL.


Quoting: Billy739
Does St Louis atleast include the Lube in this deal?
Gallagher is Signed with Term on a Contract he's earned and were happy with

Taresenko is a pending UFA with a ridiculous cap coming off major surgery
Unless there is a 1st round pick and a prospect/mid round pick included we have no interest in Giving Gally Away
Especially with Weber out Gally's Leadership role will grow


The way I read this situation is a Blues fan (or maybe someone who hates the Habs) creates a brand new profile today (it’s what your profile says) and pretends his favourite team is the Habs.

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Nice try.
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10 sept. 2021 à 15 h 26
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Quoting: Wreckless
The way I read this situation is a Blues fan (or maybe someone who hates the Habs) creates a brand new profile today (it’s what your profile says) and pretends his favourite team is the Habs.


Nice try.


That's fine..to each their own. But as a Ranger fan, with a completely outside observance, I like the potential move on both sides.

For Montreal, Tarasenko takes the pressure off of a lot of the young players; playing him with Suzuki, might serve to help grow a wonderfully skilled forward into a true number one center.

For St Louis, the years are creeping up on David Perron. A pesky scoring forward like Gallagher, might lengthen his career. He's the kind of fit (Gallagher) that gives Schenn the kind of pesky scorer he can play hard on the same line with.
10 sept. 2021 à 15 h 28
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That's fine..to each their own. But as a Ranger fan, with a completely outside observance, I like the potential move on both sides.

For Montreal, Tarasenko takes the pressure off of a lot of the young players; playing him with Suzuki, might serve to help grow a wonderfully skilled forward into a true number one center.

For St Louis, the years are creeping up on David Perron. A pesky scoring forward like Gallagher, might lengthen his career. He's the kind of fit (Gallagher) that gives Schenn the kind of pesky scorer he can play hard on the same line with.


I don’t mind Tarasenko. The point is that we can get him for far less than Gallagher. St Louis can hold onto him to start the season if they want, I’m sure that’s gonna work out just smashingly.
10 sept. 2021 à 15 h 44
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Quoting: onetwothreescore
Yes. I know it's not popular. But hockey is not for that. As a GM you have to built the best team as possible.


You didnt do that though

You seen our record without Gallagher in the line up ?
Its not good

Without him we're boned until another Gallagher type steps up
Teasdale has it in him as Dominique Ducharme and Former Laval Coach Bouchard called him a "Gallagher Clone"
He's the guy that beat out Nick Suzuki during his the Memorial Cup and MVP with 44 points in 20 Playoff games(Suzuki had 42 in 24 after that there as 4 guys early to mid 30's )

Teasdale is scappy goal scorer who battles infront of the goalie and likes to set up behind the opponents net to feed the point then reset behind the D infront of the net.
He's not as mouthy as Gallagher but he stares people down hard before mocking them or fighting them. I'd like to see him learn from Gally in this regard.

Either way he's 1/2 a season to 1 & a 1/2 years out
He's packed on 20+ pounds of muscle since junior
His skating is explosive
His special teams work is on point
He's a 200ft player but he missed his first Pro Season out with a concussion
For that reason MTL wont call him up before they see him in some games that matter winding down to the playoffs (tougher competition more physical hockey)


So we might move Gally in 3 years minimum If he wants
10 sept. 2021 à 15 h 47
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Quoting: HockeyDanz
That's fine..to each their own. But as a Ranger fan, with a completely outside observance, I like the potential move on both sides.

For Montreal, Tarasenko takes the pressure off of a lot of the young players; playing him with Suzuki, might serve to help grow a wonderfully skilled forward into a true number one center.

For St Louis, the years are creeping up on David Perron. A pesky scoring forward like Gallagher, might lengthen his career. He's the kind of fit (Gallagher) that gives Schenn the kind of pesky scorer he can play hard on the same line with.


Kreider for Weber is what i hear when i see Gallagher for Taresenko
They get a great player signed to a new deal on a great cap
We get a pending UFA at full cap and an banged up player with a huge cap hit
10 sept. 2021 à 16 h 3
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Kreider for Weber is what i hear when i see Gallagher for Taresenko
They get a great player signed to a new deal on a great cap
We get a pending UFA at full cap and an banged up player with a huge cap hit


Can't see that deal, given what the Rangers grabbed in the past few drafts. Weber unquestionably is tough as nails, but the future lineup has Fox, Lundkvist and Schneider rolling the defense (my guess is Trouba gets shipped within a season or two, elsewhere).

Kreider, even on a very reasonable contract, is the heartbeat of the Rangers. I don't see a deal for him, unless it's term for term.

My two cents.
10 sept. 2021 à 16 h 6
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I don’t mind Tarasenko. The point is that we can get him for far less than Gallagher. St Louis can hold onto him to start the season if they want, I’m sure that’s gonna work out just smashingly.


Understood, and I don't disagree with you. Given the term left on both contracts AND the styles of both teams, in my opinion, the proposal works; this was my point.
10 sept. 2021 à 16 h 8
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Quoting: Billy739
Kreider for Weber is what i hear when i see Gallagher for Taresenko
They get a great player signed to a new deal on a great cap
We get a pending UFA at full cap and an banged up player with a huge cap hit


I know the trade is bad and MTL wouldn't consider it, but you keep saying pending UFA with huge cap hit - Tarasenko has 2 yrs left at a cap hit that's 1m higher than Gallagher. And when those 2 yrs are up, a team either parts ways or gets him for cheaper, whereas whoever has Gallagher has to get 6.5m worth of production through age 34. MTL has no reason to move a character guy like Gallagher, and any team trading for Tarasenko isn't going to give up anything worthwhile at this point, but I think you're exaggerating quite a bit here.
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10 sept. 2021 à 17 h 12
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I know the trade is bad and MTL wouldn't consider it, but you keep saying pending UFA with huge cap hit - Tarasenko has 2 yrs left at a cap hit that's 1m higher than Gallagher. And when those 2 yrs are up, a team either parts ways or gets him for cheaper, whereas whoever has Gallagher has to get 6.5m worth of production through age 34. MTL has no reason to move a character guy like Gallagher, and any team trading for Tarasenko isn't going to give up anything worthwhile at this point, but I think you're exaggerating quite a bit here.


Try this again "Guy with limited term vs Gally's 6.5m x6 year deal.
If Gallagher was a guy who scored pretty goals relying on his shot from a distance i'd be worried about the term.
Thing is his goals are ugly hack and whack goals down low or Deflections
Guys like this seem to last quite long in the league as long as they can stay away from Concussion issues 35-40 is quite possible
I mean look at Dustin Brown who's i think 36? He's had some offense dry up but his Goal scorer just dropped from 25-33 to 15-25 goals a year


I get what you're saying though
that said he's only got a 6 team No Trade list and is pretty easy to move
If nothing Else MTL might take him back if it got a worst case scenario
 
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