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Dumb trade idea but how close is the value

Créé par: FloppyBiscuit
Date de création initiale: sep 10, 2021
Publié: 10 sep à 10 h 17
Équipe: 2021-22 Wild du Minnesota
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
Pettersson, Elias89 500 000 $
Transactions
MIN
  1. Pettersson, Elias [Droits de RFA]
  2. Boeser, Brock
  3. Myers, Tyler
VAN
  1. Kaprizov, Kirill [Droits de RFA]
  2. Fiala, Kevin
  3. Dumba, Matt
Rachats de contrats
  • Zach Parise: 2 371 794 $
  • Ryan Suter: 2 371 794 $
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
2022
MIN
MIN
MIN
MIN
MIN
SJS
MIN
2023
MIN
MIN
MIN
MIN
MIN
MIN
MIN
2024
MIN
MIN
MIN
MIN
MIN
MIN
MIN
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2381 500 000 $80 630 255 $0 $1 582 500 $869 745 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
MIN
Zuccarello, Mats
6 000 000 $
AG, AD
NMC
UFA - 3
Pettersson, Elias
9 500 000 $
C
RFA - 3
VAN
Boeser, Brock
5 875 000 $
AD
RFA - 1
MIN
Greenway, Jordan
2 100 000 $
AG, AD
RFA - 1
MIN
Eriksson Ek, Joel
5 250 000 $
C
UFA - 8
MIN
Foligno, Marcus
3 100 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 3
MIN
Boldy, Matthew
880 833 $
AG, AD
RFA - 2
MIN
Rossi, Marco
894 167 $
C
RFA - 3
MIN
Hartman, Ryan
1 700 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 3
MIN
Sturm, Nico
725 000 $
C
UFA - 1
MIN
Gaudreau, Frédérick
1 200 000 $
C
UFA - 2
MIN
Bjugstad, Nick
900 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
MIN
Goligoski, Alex
5 000 000 $
DG/DD
NMC
UFA - 1
MIN
Spurgeon, Jared
7 575 000 $
DD
NMC
UFA - 6
MIN
Talbot, Cam
3 666 667 $
G
UFA - 2
MIN
Brodin, Jonas
6 000 000 $
DG
NMC
UFA - 7
VAN
Myers, Tyler
6 000 000 $
DD
NTC
UFA - 3
MIN
Kähkönen, Kaapo
725 000 $
G
RFA - 1
MIN
Kulikov, Dmitry
2 250 000 $
DG
NTC
UFA - 2
MIN
Addison, Calen
795 000 $
DD
RFA - 2
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
MIN
Merrill, Jon
850 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
MIN
Rask, Victor
4 000 000 $
C
UFA - 1
MIN
Benn, Jordie
900 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 1

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10 sep à 10 h 19
#1
Drank the Seider
Rejoint: jui 2021
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more like Dumb-a trade idea

and pretty close value at a glance, just not sure if it would help either team, as both would still have trouble signing these RFAs
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10 sep à 10 h 22
#2
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It depends… Vancouver is giving up a center man, and a winger. Minnesota is giving up two wingers, and a defence man, and taking on a cap dump. Pettersson is really good so maybe it’s worth it to them… I would say both teams decline. Kaprizov is too good to give up on, Fiala is a good second liner, and without Dumba that defence is bad! For Vancouver, Pettersson is their 1c, and will be for years, Boeser is their 1RW, and works well there. Myers is a cap dump so is it worth it if you are taking on Myers? Idk, I guess it depends on if Minnesota can’t sign Kaprizov. This one is tough, and I can see why both teams reject. I like it!
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10 sep à 10 h 28
#3
Lets Get Kraken
Rejoint: avr 2021
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An interesting blockbuster idea. I could see MIN going after Petey, but it would be to play with Kaprizov. I just don’t see this trade happening. The only way this trade would even remotely have a chance at happening is if Kaprizov can’t be signed. Would love to see a line of Kaprizov-Peterson-Boeser. One of the best lines there would be.
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10 sep à 10 h 30
#4
Rejoint: mar 2019
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"Value" is a team addressing their needs and in this case, Vancouver is giving up a franchise center with no one to replace him with.
10 sep à 10 h 31
#5
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Initial reaction is that no 1 center is premium asset, then RHD.

Pettersson is established as a no. 1 center, but Dumba hasn’t done the same.

Kaprisov is the best winger, but not enough to offset the above.

Don’t think either team does it, but from a value perspective, I think the Wild need to add
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10 sep à 10 h 34
#6
Démarrer sujet
Rejoint: avr 2018
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Quoting: Nhl_oilers
It depends… Vancouver is giving up a center man, and a winger. Minnesota is giving up two wingers, and a defence man, and taking on a cap dump. Pettersson is really good so maybe it’s worth it to them… I would say both teams decline. Kaprizov is too good to give up on, Fiala is a good second liner, and without Dumba that defence is bad! For Vancouver, Pettersson is their 1c, and will be for years, Boeser is their 1RW, and works well there. Myers is a cap dump so is it worth it if you are taking on Myers? Idk, I guess it depends on if Minnesota can’t sign Kaprizov. This one is tough, and I can see why both teams reject. I like it!


Yeah I figured it's one of those "both teams say no" type trades, but there's some interesting aspects to it on both sides. Vancouver could bridge Kaprizov where anything less than 4 years poses a big problem for Minnesota with the Parise/Suter buyouts. To replace Petey, JT Miller could shift to center full time and they could roll with Kaprizov - Miller - Fiala on 1st line which would be solid.

Obviously for MIN, downgrading from Dumba to Myers would suck, but if Addison could take over second defensive pairing duties, Kulikov-Myers third pair would be... uhhh... entertaining to say the least... Lot of hits and lots of penalties! haha
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10 sep à 10 h 37
#7
Rejoint: avr 2019
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The fact that Kaprizov and Fiala are both wingers kills this deal for Vancouver
10 sep à 10 h 41
#8
Rejoint: mai 2019
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The rumored 4/5 x $9m deal for Kaprizov (if even true) is comparable to what Pettersson might sign, Fiala and Boeser both need new contracts next year, and Dumba isn't the best defensively (something VAN needs in a defenseman) and needs a new contract as well. So cap-wise, VAN will probably be in worse shape because they'll need to re-sign Dumba to more $$ and Fiala/Boeser may get a similar enough number. On top of that, VAN loses their established 1C for some wingers. I just don't see how this makes sense financially, positionally, or long-term.
10 sep à 10 h 48
#9
MNBassman
Rejoint: mai 2015
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Value-wise, I think it is very, very close!
Kaprizov vs Pettersson = nod to Pettersson because of his position and age.
Fiala vs Boeser = a dead heat/equal
Dumba vs Myers = Once Dumba is extended he is a significant upgrade to Myers.
Add them all up and the sides are very close! The Wild might need to add a 2nd or a good prospect.
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