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Team USA

Créé par: Yzerphyuk
Équipe: 2021-22 Équipe personnalisée
Date de création initiale: 9 sept. 2021
Publié: 9 sept. 2021
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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9 sept. 2021 à 16 h 50
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You said he's clear cut better. Must be SOME data points you can provide for that... No? Then stop talkin sh*t kiddo


If you want to just reduce everything to numbers, that’s on you. You’re missing a truly wonderful sport. But since that’s all you want, how about +22 vs -24. How about 80 points vs 50 points.
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9 sept. 2021 à 16 h 50
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Which data do you want? Analytics? Look at JFresh cards. Or WAR. Or RAPM. I'm confident that all of them will show you that Slavin is better. Or just watch them play. Hughes has struggled on defense and Fox will likely be on PP1. Half of Hughes' assists were on the PP last season. Slavin is a top 10 D-man. Hughes isn't a top 30 right now.

He isn’t even top 50!
9 sept. 2021 à 16 h 51
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Quoting: CMcAvoy73
If you want to just reduce everything to numbers, that’s on you. You’re missing a truly wonderful sport. But since that’s all you want, how about +22 vs -24. How about 80 points vs 50 points.


just wanted you to prove you dunno what you're talkin about
9 sept. 2021 à 16 h 53
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just wanted you to prove you dunno what you're talkin about


No one is going to agree with you on this. I just gave you your stupid data. Outside of vancouver fans, 99.9% of people are going to acknowledge slavin is better than Hughes. This is as wrong as saying kerfoot is better than McDavid.
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9 sept. 2021 à 16 h 57
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No one is going to agree with you on this. I just gave you your stupid data. Outside of vancouver fans, 99.9% of people are going to acknowledge slavin is better than Hughes. This is as wrong as saying kerfoot is better than McDavid.


Even most Canucks fans will say that Slavin is better.
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Quoting: TZ11
Which data do you want? Analytics? Look at JFresh cards. Or WAR. Or RAPM. I'm confident that all of them will show you that Slavin is better. Or just watch them play. Hughes has struggled defensively and Fox will likely be on PP1. Half of Hughes' assists were on the PP last season. Slavin is a top 10 D-man. Hughes isn't in the top 30 right now.


I'm askin what do you point to for your claims. WAR/APM are interesting. What isn't is that you provide 0 comparison.
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just wanted you to prove you dunno what you're talkin about


Why don't you just tell us what data you want / have that proves Hughes is better?
9 sept. 2021 à 16 h 58
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Quoting: Yzerphyuk
by what measures? stop talkin sh*t and show your work kid


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Of the 3 at EV this year Slavin had the:
- best GF/60 (marginally)
- best GA/60 (marginally)
- best xGF/60
- 2nd best xGA/60
- 2nd best CF/60

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in 19/20 at EV Slavin had the:
- best GF/60 (marginally)
- best GA/60 (maginally)
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9 sept. 2021 à 17 h 0
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I'm askin what do you point to for your claims. WAR/APM are interesting. What isn't is that you provide 0 comparison.


I'm sorry, but I think I'm just not smart enough to follow your thought process. What am I supposed to point to? What am I supposed to compare what to?
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9 sept. 2021 à 17 h 4
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
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Of the 3 at EV this year Slavin had the:
- best GF/60 (marginally)
- best GA/60 (marginally)
- best xGF/60
- 2nd best xGA/60
- 2nd best CF/60

YaCXiZ6.png
in 19/20 at EV Slavin had the:
- best GF/60 (marginally)
- best GA/60 (maginally)


Right, and none of those metrics are relative to teammates and quality of competition

Lol at that cherry pickin bud
9 sept. 2021 à 17 h 6
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Right, and none of those metrics are relative to teammates and quality of competition

Lol at that cherry pickin bud


Then give some stats. Show them. Don't just talk. Show me stats that prove Hughes is better.
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9 sept. 2021 à 17 h 8
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Right, and none of those metrics are relative to teammates and quality of competition

Lol at that cherry pickin bud


Alright then, I went and did what you asked, I got the numbers. Now instead of being a hypocrite go show me your numbers that prove me wrong
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9 sept. 2021 à 17 h 14
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Then give some stats. Show them. Don't just talk. Show me stats that prove Hughes is better.


I said all the Dmen below the 1st pair are interchangeable in value. That means they have value in their roles. Quinn has strengths and weaknesses as does Slavin who is not the better puck mover. Slavin plays PK and can pass it to Aho/Hamilton as good as anyone. To say he's better than Werenski is hilarious.
9 sept. 2021 à 17 h 18
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I said all the Dmen below the 1st pair are interchangeable in value. That means they have value in their roles. Quinn has strengths and weaknesses as does Slavin who is not the better puck mover. Slavin plays PK and can pass it to Aho/Hamilton as good as anyone. To say he's better than Werenski is hilarious.


He's better than Werenski. Go into one of the Forums (best would be the off season thread) and ask who's better. Many will say Slavin.
9 sept. 2021 à 17 h 21
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
Alright then, I went and did what you asked, I got the numbers. Now instead of being a hypocrite go show me your numbers that prove me wrong


I said in my comment to you... QoC and QoT [relCF] are good measures of a player on any team vs any team.
9 sept. 2021 à 17 h 27
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I said in my comment to you... QoC and QoT [relCF] are good measures of a player on any team vs any team.


When exactly did you say that? I can't find the comment. You can tell me the #
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9 sept. 2021 à 17 h 54
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I said in my comment to you... QoC and QoT [relCF] are good measures of a player on any team vs any team.


and do you have numbers to prove anything? No you dont, all you have is your word which is literally irrelevant. Good job coming up with excuses for your lack of knowledge
9 sept. 2021 à 21 h 59
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Quoting: CMcAvoy73
No one is going to agree with you on this. I just gave you your stupid data. Outside of vancouver fans, 99.9% of people are going to acknowledge slavin is better than Hughes. This is as wrong as saying kerfoot is better than McDavid.


No, it is not that extreme, but I would agree Slavin definatly is better than Hughes.
9 sept. 2021 à 23 h 12
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No, it is not that extreme, but I would agree Slavin definatly is better than Hughes.


It’s equal levels of extreme because at a certain point of preposterous, it’s all the same.
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It’s equal levels of extreme because at a certain point of preposterous, it’s all the same.


Ya, but it is at least somewhat reasonable to think Hughes>Slavin, where as not a single sane person thinks Kerfoot>McDavid.
10 sept. 2021 à 0 h 19
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Ya, but it is at least somewhat reasonable to think Hughes>Slavin, where as not a single sane person thinks Kerfoot>McDavid.


I don’t think that’s reasonable at all, and i don’t think a single sane person would think that Hughes Is in the same ballpark as slavin.
10 sept. 2021 à 9 h 44
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I don’t think that’s reasonable at all, and i don’t think a single sane person would think that Hughes Is in the same ballpark as slavin.


Not really though, Hughes is a high end up and coming guy who has a very strong chance of being a better offensive defenseman (maybe a better overall defenseman too) in the future.
10 sept. 2021 à 9 h 52
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Not really though, Hughes is a high end up and coming guy who has a very strong chance of being a better offensive defenseman (maybe a better overall defenseman too) in the future.


I don’t think he’s high end. I think he’s an over glorified low end third pair D who’s just really good on the PP. PP specialists have their place in this league, but they shouldn’t have the rep that he does. He’s a rich mans marc-Andre bergeron.
10 sept. 2021 à 9 h 57
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I don’t think he’s high end. I think he’s an over glorified low end third pair D who’s just really good on the PP. PP specialists have their place in this league, but they shouldn’t have the rep that he does. He’s a rich mans marc-Andre bergeron.


3rd pair?!?!

How is a guy who had 41 points in a 56 game season (after he had led all rookies in points) a 3rd pairing guy?
10 sept. 2021 à 10 h 0
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3rd pair?!?!

How is a guy who had 41 points in a 56 game season (after he had led all rookies in points) a 3rd pairing guy?


the trolls on here are holier than thou

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