Colin White, Sens L E G E N D

Dude.... White is a bust of a hockey player. He's an average 3C at this point in his career signed to a terrible contract. That is a very bad trade for the Pens.

I'm sure OTT takes this and runs as fast as they can.

Those medical procedures just before the camp are starting to look like a Kucherovisation of PIT's season to me.... 😠

You think?

maybe with a change of scenery and playing with malkin can make him grow to his potential.... and he isn't that bad come on

yeah i wish but hextall denied it saying they will be both back relatively early

Nope. The Senators would probably have to add on their end to get anyone to take White and that contract right now.

I didn't say he's bad. I said he's a bust, which he is. He had high expectations coming out of the draft, put up one OK season and two mediocre seasons since. I said he's an average 3C at this point and that's not bad, but at $4.75M for four years? Even at $3.75 he's overpaid.

ok what about you take out the two 3rds and they retain 750k more ...... he starts the season as a center cuz we need one lol and then you give him a shot at malkins rw in the regular season and if he works well if not he goes and palys 3c and let carter play 2nd line rw which imo would be a deadly duo (geno-carter)

Yeah well every dollar saved count considering the team is stuck against the cap.

Do you really expect Hextall to declare:

" Since we only have a couple hundred thousand dollars of capspace, we think it would help to wait until the start of the season to put our two biggest salary players on LTIR and save enough to avoid bonus penalties next year and get some help at the TDL for the playoffs."

😒

I do see a difference between PIT saving space under the cap and TB becoming compliant to the cap by puting a player on LTIR, but it is the same practice none the less.

That's better

they won't be out that much

You are puting blinds.

Crosby and Malkin makes up 18.2M in caphit together. A season is 187 days last time I checked. If my (approximative) maths is ok, Pens will save a little under 100k every day they are both on LTIR.

That's not nothing.

More LTIR means more space at TDL to pack up before playoffs. Scheduling medical intervention to make the recovery period during the season instead of summer is going around the cap. I have no proof of it here, but the coincidence of having both highest salary with the perfect timing is hard to believe.

Weird, not interested in that trade at all. Like not even remotely close

You didn't read my answer I provided earlier to you on this subject?

https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/511936?post_id=2678815

Sens fans pretty much all agree that White AAV should be more like 3.5, so he's basically 1.25 overpaid

Do you think it's crippling for a team that is barely over the cap floor? (assuming they sign Tkachuk)

White is paid like a tweener (~45 pts) but is more a 3rd liner (~35 pts). It's really not a big deal lol

His extension came in too long too fast too high but it was CIRCUMSTANTIAL. Melnyk had alienated the whole fanbase and they needed to show fans that they were going to commit to players once again, so they signed Colin White 6 years, then signed his best friend Thomas Chabot for 8 years. It brought a lot of "peace" to the fanbase

His contract is not a burden at all. If one day they get tired of it, they can just buy him out for real cheap (check the buyout calculator tool on Cap Friendly)


EDIT : And White is not a bust at all. He was a 21st OA pick, has already played 200 NHL games and has 88 pts by age 24... Really I don't see the problem lol. Maybe only with people who had unrealistic expectations. Personally had him as a good 3rd liner, exactly what he is tracking to be

I didn't see a question there, but to answer yours here, no I don't think it's crippling. You guys are still probably a year or two a way from getting out of your rebuild, so it's not stopping you from anything.

To your "edit" point, it's misleading to say 88 by age 24. He's currently putting up .44 and going back to what I said, I never said he was a bust. He's an average 3C.

No way. Like I said, the Sens would have to likely add on just to other teams take him. Giving up futures, which the Pens have a shortage of, shouldn't be used for overpriced players.

Well, you just said it in the post I quoted lol

"Dude.... White is a bust of a hockey player"

My reading comprehension is based on the words I see written




Is 88 pts for your first 200 NHL games bad? It's 36 pts per 82 games, pretty good 3rd line production

Personally never thought White was going to be an offensive player... If he was making 3.5 like he should, no one would say anything and people would actually make proposals to acquire him

Sorry, I made a typo. I meant to say I never said he was bad, I just said he was a bust.

You'd still have trouble moving him because of the term.

Like I said to you in the other thread, no reason to move him

- About 1.25 AAV overpaid but still contributes, brings depht to the forward group
- team barely at the floor
- Chabot's best friend, well liked by everybody
- wouldn't bring a positive asset in a trade
- worst case scenario : Cheap buy out if he can't play in the NHL anymore

I think by the team you guys are a playoff team the cap will be back to going up and it probably won't be as big of a deal.

Not this season but next season they will challenge for the playoffs I think, there's just too much talent in the organization.

And going forward, as young guys become more expensive, some contracts like Zaitsev and Murray will come off the books. Then it will be White's

The question that still needs an answer is about Melnyk willingness to spend to the cap. He said he would, but can't take it as granted with him

I think you're still at least two more seasons away and not just because you're growing, but because your division is moving towards being the toughest division. Boston and Tampa will probably still be very good next year, Florida is skyrocketing to the top and Toronto will still be a very good team.. I can see you guys maybe battling for the fifth spot with MTL in the 22/23 season, but obviously only three teams from the Metro will will have to make it.

Regardless there's no rush for your team. You still have great prospects yet to make their way in.

From experience, things change way too much from season to season to start looking at 2022-23. Reality is we have absolutely no idea how it plays out, particularly for a young team like Ottawa

Take the Avs in 2016-417 vs 2017-18 for example. 48 pts to 94 pts (IIRC)

Sens have several young guys that will rise and break out as "stars" or "quality players", guys that posters like me are warning that they'll be good.

I mean, I'm not pro scout but I can project talent, which allowed me to make good amounts of money on Ebay in the past.

For now, my biggest worry is about Eugene Melnyk like I already said