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Équipe: 2021-22 Maple Leafs de Toronto
Date de création initiale: 6 sept. 2021
Publié: 6 sept. 2021
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Random idea that popped into my head while listening to the latest 31 thought podcast.
Would this be an even trade? or would TOR / OTT have to add more? Personally, I feel TOR would have to add more, but I just wanted a template of what the core deal would look like.
TOR gets the top Dman to a superb contract in case rielly leaves/gets traded next year, and gets Brady to fill the hole that Hyman left.
TOR also signs Brady to a 1 x $2.4 mill due to cap space and such, and will give him a massive pay raise once Kessel's contract comes off the books next year. (2.4 to 4 mill will be the one year, and he'll probably make 5.5-6 with the multi-year)

Ottawa gets their superstar they are looking for and can market, along with potential Top 4/2 dman in Sandin, and a late 1st rounder, in a draft that i believe is supposed to be solid next year (not 100% sure, just remember Marek mentioning something about that).
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6 sept. 2021 à 17 h 2
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Quoting: SomethingLeafs
I hate the "oh he plays with a superstar centre" yea most top wingers do because their top line. Our defense isn't the problem As much as I like Chabot. Marner > Tkachuk simple. I take the skill over Tkachuk who offensively isn't better than Nylander.


Dont forget Rielly comes off the books this year, so we will be in the market for a Dman. Maybe Sandin can grow into that role, but we dont have the time for that, thats why Chabot is included to balance the skill off put between Marner and Brady.

Im not disagreeing with you that Marner is better then brady. That is 100% true. However, the leafs need Brady skill set more then Marner.
6 sept. 2021 à 17 h 56
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I cant see a scenario where Brady makes more than his brother Matthew. 7 would be the cieling


On a bridge deal sure. Keep in mind Matthew only signed for 3 years. If Brady signed for 8 years there’s no reason he shouldn’t get money along the lines of Svech and Couturier at 8 x 7.75m.
6 sept. 2021 à 18 h 34
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Quoting: hazard
I cant see a scenario where Brady makes more than his brother Matthew. 7 would be the cieling

Keep in mind that Matthew took a bridge deal. Sure, a bridge for Brady gets maybe 5-5.5. But that’s not the logical route. A long term deal will easily be over what Matthew got on his 3 year deal, and then Matthew will probably get more on his long term deal than Brady
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There's no amount of justification that would make the Sens consider this.

People have no idea what Chabot would look like on a good team.
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6 sept. 2021 à 19 h 18
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Quoting: hazard
The one year contract would be around 2.5 - 4 mill. I think its acceptable for the points he had and the fact that hell be getting alot of points playing with Matthews so hes money will increase.
The multi year I thought that hed be making close to/ more then Hyman money. 8 x 6.5 for example. Higher term, lower AAV


So your going to trade Marner for a guy who's best season is less then half the points as Marner. So last season the 2 of them combined had the same point total as Marner did. So your saying their combined salaries would be 14.5 million. So why not keep Marner and his 90+ points a year and sign Sandin at 2.5 million and you have around the same cap hit. You trade Kerfoot, the cap goes up 1 million and Kessels 1.2 million comes off the books. So now you have 9.7 million to sign Reilly and a forward to replace Kerfoot.
6 sept. 2021 à 19 h 21
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Quoting: hazard
Dont forget Rielly comes off the books this year, so we will be in the market for a Dman. Maybe Sandin can grow into that role, but we dont have the time for that, thats why Chabot is included to balance the skill off put between Marner and Brady.

Im not disagreeing with you that Marner is better then brady. That is 100% true. However, the leafs need Brady skill set more then Marner.


Really so who's going to be the setup guy for Matthews? Marner has had more assists in a season then Brady has had points.
6 sept. 2021 à 21 h 6
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Quoting: jaok3
So your going to trade Marner for a guy who's best season is less then half the points as Marner. So last season the 2 of them combined had the same point total as Marner did. So your saying their combined salaries would be 14.5 million. So why not keep Marner and his 90+ points a year and sign Sandin at 2.5 million and you have around the same cap hit. You trade Kerfoot, the cap goes up 1 million and Kessels 1.2 million comes off the books. So now you have 9.7 million to sign Reilly and a forward to replace Kerfoot.


You are criminally underrating Chabot in this deal my friend. He is a true #1 Dman, that replaces Reilly going forward, and is signed to a perfect contract. Thats why the deal "balances out", and even I as a leafs fan feel as if TOR would have to give more to make this deal work.

Regardless, The premise of this deal was to A, find the perfect replacement for Hyman (brady check), B, Find the long term replacement for Rielly after this season or if he gets traded (Chabot check), C, a major shake up for these guys that seem to continously choke in the biggest games of the season. The team they are built rn are built for Regular season success, not post season. its been evidently clear for the last 4 post seasons. I'm not disagreeing with you that Marner is the best player in this deal, however, this deal helps the Leafs long term, and rounds them out better then they are now.

Also, Matthews makes 11.6. He shouldnt need to an 11mill winger to set him up. Nylander can and has done that before just fine. Any player that you look around the league thats 5/6/7 mill cap hit can do that for Matthews. Hes a superstar and a line driver for a reason
6 sept. 2021 à 21 h 9
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There's no amount of justification that would make the Sens consider this.

People have no idea what Chabot would look like on a good team.


You're right, I've been saying TOR would have to add more to make this deal work. However, if you look at the dollar amounts too, and that Melnyk wants to cut corners where he can, more then Half of Marner's deal has already been paid so that plays a massive role, and it saves money on not paying for Brady so he saves more by Sandin being on ELC. I do however think youre underrating how good Marner is
6 sept. 2021 à 21 h 12
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Quoting: Zuki9797
Keep in mind that Matthew took a bridge deal. Sure, a bridge for Brady gets maybe 5-5.5. But that’s not the logical route. A long term deal will easily be over what Matthew got on his 3 year deal, and then Matthew will probably get more on his long term deal than Brady


I thought because Brady would have an 82 game season to play along side Matthews and Nylander that he would be able to rack up a crazy amount of points, and cash in more on his next deal, which could potentially exceed his brothers. But going around the league and looking at compareables, he should be making somewhere between Anderson, Wilson, Hyman money no?
6 sept. 2021 à 21 h 14
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Quoting: TheBoyDuddus
On a bridge deal sure. Keep in mind Matthew only signed for 3 years. If Brady signed for 8 years there’s no reason he shouldn’t get money along the lines of Svech and Couturier at 8 x 7.75m.


Brady comparables are Anderson, Hyman, Wilson since they play the same type of game and put up the same type of points
7 sept. 2021 à 10 h 55
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Quoting: hazard
I think TOR could fit 4.5 under the cap, if they bury some contracts, so its not completely far off. Plus it gives him every chance to make him more on the next contract playing with Matthews no?


Quoting: hazard
I think TOR could fit 4.5 under the cap, if they bury some contracts, so its not completely far off. Plus it gives him every chance to make him more on the next contract playing with Matthews no?


No, because Toronto still won't be able to give him 8 or 9 million whereas he could demand that out of Ottawa right now. Anyhow, the trade is ridiculous to begin with and trying to fit Chabot and Tkachuk in Toronto's cap nightmare just won't work unless you move Marner & Nylander out to free up the cap. 2 guys out, 2 guys in.
7 sept. 2021 à 14 h 59
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Quoting: ovandatsyuk13
No, because Toronto still won't be able to give him 8 or 9 million whereas he could demand that out of Ottawa right now. Anyhow, the trade is ridiculous to begin with and trying to fit Chabot and Tkachuk in Toronto's cap nightmare just won't work unless you move Marner & Nylander out to free up the cap. 2 guys out, 2 guys in.


Brady isn't going to make anywhere near 8-9 mill lol. Not with Melnyk at the helm, and not with his brother who is better and a similar type player making less.

And as i said before, his long term contract will come next season where leafs will have Rielly and Kessel off the books + more
7 sept. 2021 à 23 h 28
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Quoting: hazard
Brady isn't going to make anywhere near 8-9 mill lol. Not with Melnyk at the helm, and not with his brother who is better and a similar type player making less.

And as i said before, his long term contract will come next season where leafs will have Rielly and Kessel off the books + more


8 is the current projected number I'm hearing everywhere. And, as I said before, his agent isn't waiting until next year. He'll play hard ball. He'll get 5 million on a bridge.
 
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