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Équipe: 2021-22 Hurricanes de la Caroline
Date de création initiale: 5 sept. 2021
Publié: 6 sept. 2021
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This line up is just very talented. There's a hole at 3RW, but it's still good enough to compete for the cup. This blue line is DEEP, the goaltending has major upside... I really like this roster.
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6 sept. 2021 à 12 h 2
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100% agreed. I'd probably swap around the Dpairs a bit because Deangelo on the top pair getting 1st pair minutes isn't ideal. He can still run the 2nd PP unit from the 3rd pair...in fact it might even help him be more effective on the PP. I'd put Skjei and Bear together. That's a good shut down pair. this would be Pesce Slavin together. They're both so good. Cole Deangelo is a good 3rd pair.

Still going to miss Ned, but Freddie/Raanta is a HUGE upgrade from Mrazek/Reimer.
6 sept. 2021 à 12 h 10
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100% agreed. I'd probably swap around the Dpairs a bit because Deangelo on the top pair getting 1st pair minutes isn't ideal. He can still run the 2nd PP unit from the 3rd pair...in fact it might even help him be more effective on the PP. I'd put Skjei and Bear together. That's a good shut down pair. this would be Pesce Slavin together. They're both so good. Cole Deangelo is a good 3rd pair.

Still going to miss Ned, but Freddie/Raanta is a HUGE upgrade from Mrazek/Reimer.


DeAngelo can play 1st pairing minutes, he did in New York. His issues are off the ice, he's a 50 point D man, and the fact Slavin was involved in bringing him in means that he's playing with Slavin. Slavin and Pesce together is also just a bad idea offensively. Both are SO F**KING good defensively, but they're as threatening as a dead cobra. Bear will likely be sheltered on the 3rd pair with Cole, and Skjei and Pesce were fantastic together last year. They were MAMMOTHS on that blueline, really stepping up when Slavin was out.

Ned played 25 games. Chill. It's way to small a sample size to know what he is. I'm willing to bet $100 he'll regress big time this year when he doesn't have an elite D core in front of him
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DeAngelo can play 1st pairing minutes, he did in New York. His issues are off the ice, he's a 50 point D man, and the fact Slavin was involved in bringing him in means that he's playing with Slavin. Slavin and Pesce together is also just a bad idea offensively. Both are SO F**KING good defensively, but they're as threatening as a dead cobra. Bear will likely be sheltered on the 3rd pair with Cole, and Skjei and Pesce were fantastic together last year. They were MAMMOTHS on that blueline, really stepping up when Slavin was out.

Ned played 25 games. Chill. It's way to small a sample size to know what he is. I'm willing to bet $100 he'll regress big time this year when he doesn't have an elite D core in front of him


That's fair about Deangelo. I'm a bit surprised they signed him, but I'm also a guy that believes in second chances. Dundon is a pirate that wants to win...and I love it! I liked Ned. BUT Freddie/Raanta are good too. Ned will likely regress as you're saying. Terrible team in front of him.
6 sept. 2021 à 12 h 25
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100% agreed. I'd probably swap around the Dpairs a bit because Deangelo on the top pair getting 1st pair minutes isn't ideal. He can still run the 2nd PP unit from the 3rd pair...in fact it might even help him be more effective on the PP. I'd put Skjei and Bear together. That's a good shut down pair. this would be Pesce Slavin together. They're both so good. Cole Deangelo is a good 3rd pair.

Still going to miss Ned, but Freddie/Raanta is a HUGE upgrade from Mrazek/Reimer.


Bear isn’t good defensively tho
6 sept. 2021 à 12 h 28
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Bear isn’t good defensively tho


He had a bad gaffe in the playoffs, but overall, Bear's defensive play has generally been good for two straight seasons. I'd take the chance on the larger sample over the small postseason one. I still think that Slavin/Bear will pair up at even strength and Skjei/Pesce will be the main shutdown pair.
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6 sept. 2021 à 13 h 12
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I'm not a big fan Andersen these days and as good Raanta is, he's dealt with injuries and idk if you can bet on him being healthy. If only they had a great young goaltender like Alex Nedeljkovic or something... oh wait
6 sept. 2021 à 14 h 2
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How do the Canes have a hole at 3RW, what's wrong with Fast?
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How do the Canes have a hole at 3RW, what's wrong with Fast?
6 sept. 2021 à 15 h 27
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I think DeAngelo eventually ends up with Slavin, but I also think it likely Bear starts the season on the top pair with DeAngelo with Cole.

I’d swap Necas with Teravainen. It gives you a righty in each line, and the chemistry between Necas and Aho is better than between Aho and Teravainen in my opinion.

Nothing wrong with Fast as a 3rd line RW
6 sept. 2021 à 17 h 20
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I think Bear will do good here.. less pressure to deal with then in EDM, which I think was a huge factor in the playoffs against the Jets
7 sept. 2021 à 9 h 20
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That's fair about Deangelo. I'm a bit surprised they signed him, but I'm also a guy that believes in second chances. Dundon is a pirate that wants to win...and I love it! I liked Neg. BUT Freddie/Raanta are good too. Ned will likely regress as you're saying. Terrible team in front of him.


This is TDA's like 6th chance, but I get the point. I do think this is TDA's last chance, so if he just shuts up and does what he can do, he'll be fine. He's also in a situation where... no one else will ever take him, so he's a cheap deal for life if he keeps his nose clean.
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Bear isn’t good defensively tho


Bear is very good defensively. He made one mistake and everyone is like "Oh he's horrible defensively" yet, metrics suggest he was the best Oiler in his own zone last year. He's fine defensively. His issue is at the other end, he's a small offensive black hole.
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I'm not a big fan Andersen these days and as good Raanta is, he's dealt with injuries and idk if you can bet on him being healthy. If only they had a great young goaltender like Alex Nedeljkovic or something... oh wait


Ned was a product of the blue line. What he had to deal with was FAR better than it will be in Detroit where he's thrown to the wolves. Freddie has put up great numbers behind HORRIFIC defenses in Toronto, behind an elite D core like this, he very well could be a dark horse Vezina candidate.
7 sept. 2021 à 9 h 24
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I think DeAngelo eventually ends up with Slavin, but I also think it likely Bear starts the season on the top pair with DeAngelo with Cole.

I’d swap Necas with Teravainen. It gives you a righty in each line, and the chemistry between Necas and Aho is better than between Aho and Teravainen in my opinion.

Nothing wrong with Fast as a 3rd line RW


Ahovainen's chemistry is better than Aho and Necas. Aho and Teuvo do things that is just telepathic from time to time, and I think you're suffering from recency bias as Teuvo had a concussion and was out for most of last season. The best example for me to prove this is either game 7 vs Washington from 2019, or look at the game where Svech scored the 2nd lacrosse goal. Both games had some pure brilliance from the Ahovainen pair.
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How do the Canes have a hole at 3RW, what's wrong with Fast?


Just not the offensive upside you'd ideally want as a 3RW.
7 sept. 2021 à 9 h 27
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I think DeAngelo eventually ends up with Slavin, but I also think it likely Bear starts the season on the top pair with DeAngelo with Cole.

I’d swap Necas with Teravainen. It gives you a righty in each line, and the chemistry between Necas and Aho is better than between Aho and Teravainen in my opinion.

Nothing wrong with Fast as a 3rd line RW


The issue with starting Bear with Slavin is that you then have your top D pairing offer no offensive threat. I love Slavin, dude looks lost at times offensively. It's why I think TDA has to start with Slavin. You then have a D man that can score onthe top 2 pairs (TDA, Skjei) and you have a steady shutdown 3rd pairing. It's just an ideal balance. If they're going to start the season with a defensive top pair, it will be Slavin - Pesce because they played together FOR YEARS before the Dougie trade.
7 sept. 2021 à 11 h 23
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Ned was a product of the blue line. What he had to deal with was FAR better than it will be in Detroit where he's thrown to the wolves. Freddie has put up great numbers behind HORRIFIC defenses in Toronto, behind an elite D core like this, he very well could be a dark horse Vezina candidate.


The main concern with Ned is sample size
Freddie hasn't been good in 2 years, Raanta is the better, more injury prone tender
Toronto has a really good D core and if Freddie is a dark horse Vezina candidate, Campbell is right there with Vasy
The canes D is still damn good but won't be as good as last year
7 sept. 2021 à 13 h 30
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The main concern with Ned is sample size
Freddie hasn't been good in 2 years, Raanta is the better, more injury prone tender
Toronto has a really good D core and if Freddie is a dark horse Vezina candidate, Campbell is right there with Vasy
The canes D is still damn good but won't be as good as last year


This Canes D core is arguably better than last year. People are overvaluing the loss of Dougie. Yeah, you lose a great defenseman, sure. But TDA isn't a slouch. Both are defensive traffic cones and Cole is better than Gardiner, and if you want to tell me Bear isn't better than Hakanpaa or Haydn Fleury, you're on something. It's 100% deeper, and if TDA keeps his nose clean and plays up to his talent level, this D core is better than last year.

Freddie put up a .918 in his first two seasons in Toronto, and then .917. In the two shortened seasons, his numbers came down, because his first month of the season is always horrible. After that, he plays lights out, that's known by most Toronto fans, Ducks fans will vouch too. Raanta has the talent to step in when Freddie isn't playing well and run with it. Also, let's not act like Raanta hasn't shown he can lpay the starters role if needs be. If both goaltenders stay out of the treatment room, this is a very good tandem, and Freddie REALLY is a dark horse Vezina candidate.
7 sept. 2021 à 14 h 54
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This Canes D core is arguably better than last year. People are overvaluing the loss of Dougie. Yeah, you lose a great defenseman, sure. But TDA isn't a slouch. Both are defensive traffic cones and Cole is better than Gardiner, and if you want to tell me Bear isn't better than Hakanpaa or Haydn Fleury, you're on something. It's 100% deeper, and if TDA keeps his nose clean and plays up to his talent level, this D core is better than last year.

Freddie put up a .918 in his first two seasons in Toronto, and then .917. In the two shortened seasons, his numbers came down, because his first month of the season is always horrible. After that, he plays lights out, that's known by most Toronto fans, Ducks fans will vouch too. Raanta has the talent to step in when Freddie isn't playing well and run with it. Also, let's not act like Raanta hasn't shown he can lpay the starters role if needs be. If both goaltenders stay out of the treatment room, this is a very good tandem, and Freddie REALLY is a dark horse Vezina candidate.


Dougie is a top 5 defenseman, there is no overstating that loss. I like Bear, that was a good trade but him and Tony don't make up for the loss of Hamilton

Freddie, quite frankly has sucked for the last year and a half. I'm not betting on him returning to form anymore.

I also literally said Raanta is the better net minder, he's just dealt with injuries. So yeah, I'm not trusting this tandem to kill it all year.
7 sept. 2021 à 15 h 13
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Dougie is a top 5 defenseman, there is no overstating that loss. I like Bear, that was a good trade but him and Tony don't make up for the loss of Hamilton

Freddie, quite frankly has sucked for the last year and a half. I'm not betting on him returning to form anymore.

I also literally said Raanta is the better net minder, he's just dealt with injuries. So yeah, I'm not trusting this tandem to kill it all year.


TDA is a 50 point guy. With PP time and better offensive players around him, he could very well reach 60, something Dougie never did in Carolina. Dougie never reached 50 in Carolina, TDA could provide more than Dougie ever did. That's the scary thing. Obviously, I'm not saying he's a better player, I'm saying that his production could be better than Dougie's ever was which isn't unreasonable.

Freddie was a .908 when the season shut down, and was playing very well. He was sub .900 this year, but also played 27 games. Freddie gets better the more he plays, we know that. To say he's sucked is just wrong.
7 sept. 2021 à 18 h 39
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TDA is a 50 point guy. With PP time and better offensive players around him, he could very well reach 60, something Dougie never did in Carolina. Dougie never reached 50 in Carolina, TDA could provide more than Dougie ever did. That's the scary thing. Obviously, I'm not saying he's a better player, I'm saying that his production could be better than Dougie's ever was which isn't unreasonable.

Freddie was a .908 when the season shut down, and was playing very well. He was sub .900 this year, but also played 27 games. Freddie gets better the more he plays, we know that. To say he's sucked is just wrong.


To say he didn't suck is just wrong. He had a better defense infront of him last year and still managed sub .900 sv% in both the NHK & AHL. I'm not saying he couldn't bounce back buy I'm definitely not betting on it anymore. Why? Because he started falling off before last year. I'll belive when I see it with him.

And, yeah sure TDA can match Dougie's offense and then some, but he's a liability in his own end and you can't trust him to even play the whole year for you without being a headache. There's a reason he was bought out and then brought in for nothing.
7 sept. 2021 à 18 h 44
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Just not the offensive upside you'd ideally want as a 3RW.


Did Fast play all last season at 3RW?
 
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