Modifié 4 sept. 2021 à 10 h 31
Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
You consider Dvorak to have less value than Kotki?
Ya, as I said in the description. KK's 1.9 P/60 as an 18 year old rookie is almost the same as Dvorak's most productive season of 2.0 P/60 as a 23 year old... so ya I'd say Kotkaniemi has more upside.
Quoting: BigTramFan
Easy no from the Coyotes. Byron has negative value. Enjoy Bozak as your 2C!
I see Drouin as 2C, Poehling / Evans as 3C, Bozak as 4C (insurance in case Drouin and/or Poehling don't work out). I'm quite comfortable with that for this season, I understand why Arizona would say no, I'm more or less just making the point that MTL would be better off matching and keeping KK than overpaying for Dvorak.
Edit: Also as an FYI, Bozak put up 2.2 P/60 last year as a 34 year old which is better than any season of Dvorak's career. Bozak can also bring the same defensive game as Dvorak, at 35 years old I wouldn't expect him to play top 6 minutes but he's a solid bottom 6 C at this stage of his career.
Quoting: RaZZe
You should try to send the Carolina picks straight up, you can't fit a cap dump in this trade
I don't consider Byron to have negative value like everyone else around here. He's still useful and not grossly overpaid. Also he is on LTIR until January so half his salary is insured so Arizona wouldn't be paying much actual $$$. That's just my opinion and it's not going to change, I respect the opinion of people that feel he is a cap dump. At the end of the day I think it just comes down to do you need the cap space for anything else? If the answer is no, Paul Byron is a pretty insignificant cap hit IMO.
Quoting: willinlisbon
While you may think this is fair value for Dvorak, which it's not considering you put in an injury cap dump....you seem to forget that MB is in no position of power in any of these negotiations.....every team k owns this and Unfortunately if MB really wants a proven NHL C he's gonna have to pay up considerably.
1st,3rd, kulak and a prospect will get it done
I don't think it is fair value. I'm simply illustrating the point that if MTL let's KK walk this should be the price they'd be willing to pay for Dvorak IMO.
I know MTL isn't in a position of strength... which is why they should not make any moves if they don't match KK until they know what they have in Drouin, Poehling, Evans, and even Carolina's 1st for that matter (there's always the chance they miss playoffs and it becomes a lottery pick).
Signing Tyler Bozak would be an upgrade over what Kotkaniemi provided MTL last year... so I don't see what all the fuss is. They need to replace KK long term, it doesn't have to happen right now.