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Équipe: 2022-23 Maple Leafs de Toronto
Date de création initiale: 2 sept. 2021
Publié: 2 sept. 2021
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    2 sept. 2021 à 9 h 5
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    In terms of futures, a 3rd I think is fair.

    In terms of a hockey trade, which is what Hextall is seeking, I'd say Kerfoot or maybe Mikheyev and a pick.
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    2 sept. 2021 à 9 h 6
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    Quoting: Mr_Gardoki
    In terms of futures, a 3rd I think is fair.

    In terms of a hockey trade, which is what Hextall is seeking, I'd say Kerfoot.


    I'd do that
    2 sept. 2021 à 9 h 8
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    Quoting: Mr_Gardoki
    In terms of futures, a 3rd I think is fair.

    In terms of a hockey trade, which is what Hextall is seeking, I'd say Kerfoot.


    Wouldn't do Kerfoot.

    A 3rd would be fine IF we didn't have sandin looking to get more minuites this year and more next year. Don't make sense for leafs to acquire a dman with term unless both muzzin and Rielly are out
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    2 sept. 2021 à 9 h 9
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    Wouldn't do Kerfoot.

    A 3rd would be fine IF we didn't have sandin looking to get more minuites this year and more next year. Don't make sense for leafs to acquire a dman with term unless both muzzin and Rielly are out


    Rielly is gone
    2 sept. 2021 à 9 h 10
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    Quoting: SomethingLeafs
    Wouldn't do Kerfoot.

    A 3rd would be fine IF we didn't have sandin looking to get more minuites this year and more next year. Don't make sense for leafs to acquire a dman with term unless both muzzin and Rielly are out


    That's the big question in terms of Rielly. I edited my original post to include Mikheyev and a pick as another option. For us, Hextall has been transparent saying he's not looking to dump a player. He wants a hockey trade for either Zucker and/or Pettersson.
    2 sept. 2021 à 9 h 10
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    Mikeyev and a 2nd I think is fair
    2 sept. 2021 à 9 h 11
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    I'd do that


    Ouf...that contract is dangerous...Honestly, IMO you're better off rolling with the Muzzin/Rielly/Sandin left side this year, then if you can't re-sign Rielly, you'll have some space to fill that whole through free agency.

    Think you need to keep as much forward depth as possible right now...the bottom six without Kerfoot has the potential to be not-so-great.
    2 sept. 2021 à 9 h 12
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    Ohh, I didn't realize this was for next season. Who knows by then, but I'd say Mikheyev + a 4th, or maybe a 3rd?

    So hard to tell what every team's situation will be by then.
    2 sept. 2021 à 9 h 12
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    Quoting: gpmack95
    Rielly is gone


    In here yes but I have some hope we keep him. Even then sandin should have a full year under him
    2 sept. 2021 à 9 h 14
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    Quoting: Lenny7
    Ouf...that contract is dangerous...Honestly, IMO you're better off rolling with the Muzzin/Rielly/Sandin left side this year, then if you can't re-sign Rielly, you'll have some space to fill that whole through free agency.

    Think you need to keep as much forward depth as possible right now...the bottom six without Kerfoot has the potential to be not-so-great.


    Did you see the defense contracts handed out this off-season? I'd say Pettersson looks very safe compared to what teams are doing.

    Also, this rap that Pettersson is somehow not very good is weird. Pettersson really had a very solid season. He performed as you would expect most 2nd pairing dmen to perform and is getting the appropriate rate.
    2 sept. 2021 à 9 h 18
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    Rielly is gone


    Think it depends on how highly they value Campbell. $14.75 mil in space (assuming the cap goes to $82.5), with Campbell and Sandin being the only two guys that they need to worry about signing.

    Parayko's extension *should* be the bar that is set for a Rielly extension. Anything under $8 mil can work.
    2 sept. 2021 à 9 h 19
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    Quoting: Mr_Gardoki
    Ohh, I didn't realize this was for next season. Who knows by then, but I'd say Mikheyev + a 4th, or maybe a 3rd?

    So hard to tell what every team's situation will be by then.


    Mikheyev would be a UFA next season
    2 sept. 2021 à 9 h 19
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    Quoting: Lenny7
    Think it depends on how highly they value Campbell. $14.75 mil in space (assuming the cap goes to $82.5), with Campbell and Sandin being the only two guys that they need to worry about signing.

    Parayko's extension *should* be the bar that is set for a Rielly extension. Anything under $8 mil can work.


    Id compare Rielly more towards Werenski, Jones, Nurse than to Parayko
    2 sept. 2021 à 9 h 20
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    Quoting: SomethingLeafs
    Wouldn't do Kerfoot.

    A 3rd would be fine IF we didn't have sandin looking to get more minuites this year and more next year. Don't make sense for leafs to acquire a dman with term unless both muzzin and Rielly are out


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    Ouf...that contract is dangerous...Honestly, IMO you're better off rolling with the Muzzin/Rielly/Sandin left side this year, then if you can't re-sign Rielly, you'll have some space to fill that whole through free agency.

    Think you need to keep as much forward depth as possible right now...the bottom six without Kerfoot has the potential to be not-so-great.


    Quoting: Lenny7
    Think it depends on how highly they value Campbell. $14.75 mil in space (assuming the cap goes to $82.5), with Campbell and Sandin being the only two guys that they need to worry about signing.

    Parayko's extension *should* be the bar that is set for a Rielly extension. Anything under $8 mil can work.


    This team is next season, so Rielly walks and Pettersson is the replacement
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    2 sept. 2021 à 9 h 21
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    Mikheyev would be a UFA next season


    Ah ok. Yeah, it's hard to tell what the Pens needs would be by then. Who knows if any of our rookies will make a case for themselves, but I'd circle back to Kerfoot.
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    Mikeyev and a 2nd I think is fair


    This team is next season, so Mikheyev would be a UFA
    2 sept. 2021 à 9 h 22
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    Ah ok. Yeah, it's hard to tell what the Pens needs would be by then. Who knows if any of our rookies will make a case for themselves, but I'd circle back to Kerfoot.


    I would do Kerfoot and a 3rd for Pettersson and a 5th
    2 sept. 2021 à 9 h 22
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    Quoting: Mr_Gardoki
    Did you see the defense contracts handed out this off-season? I'd say Pettersson looks very safe compared to what teams are doing.

    Also, this rap that Pettersson is somehow not very good is weird. Pettersson really had a very solid season. He performed as you would expect most 2nd pairing dmen to perform and is getting the appropriate rate.


    I guess I'd question the "2nd pairing dman" part. His ATOI was 6th on the team (not including POJ, who would push him to 7th). I don't think he's "bad", I'd just question whether spending that much on him makes any sense for the Leafs. He's certainly a "safe" defenceman, but IMO, you can spend that money elsewhere.
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    This team is next season, so Rielly walks and Pettersson is the replacement


    Rather just have Muzzin Sandin in the top 4 and have Dermott 3LD or a call up or a FA signing. I still think Rubins would be a great 3LD in the near future. Tall defensive strong. And a lot cheaper
    2 sept. 2021 à 9 h 25
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    Id compare Rielly more towards Werenski, Jones, Nurse than to Parayko


    Yeah, I guess that argument could be made...depends on how this season goes I guess.

    Honestly, if I'm the Leafs, I'm offering $7.5, willing to go to $8, but wouldn't go over. If he walks, it's not the end of the world.
    2 sept. 2021 à 9 h 28
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    Quoting: Lenny7
    I guess I'd question the "2nd pairing dman" part. His ATOI was 6th on the team (not including POJ, who would push him to 7th). I don't think he's "bad", I'd just question whether spending that much on him makes any sense for the Leafs. He's certainly a "safe" defenceman, but IMO, you can spend that money elsewhere.


    I guess it also depends on how you fill out your defense. RD is also an area of need for you guys. There will be some decent names available in FA after this season, but when you factor in the players that likely remain with their teams, there's not many big fish, so teams will probably overpay for aging or middle of the road players. Pettersson might wind up looking like a bargain.
    2 sept. 2021 à 9 h 29
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    This team is next season, so Rielly walks and Pettersson is the replacement


    Gotcha...was confused by the half-lineup...shoulda just looked at the date on top I suppose tears of joy

    I still wouldn't rush out to do this, tbh. There's a decent group of UFA dmen that are going to be out there, and if the team doesn't find success this year, you've gotta think that it might be time to move one of the big 4 (Though that solution seems short sighted).

    I guess if Pettersson stepped up this year I wouldn't be opposed, but then the price would be higher anyway.
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    2 sept. 2021 à 9 h 31
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    Quoting: Mr_Gardoki
    I guess it also depends on how you fill our your defense. RD is also an area of need for you guys. There will be some decent names available in FA after this season, but when you factor in the players that likely remain with their teams, there's not many big fish, so teams will probably overpay for aging or middle of the road players. Pettersson might wind up looking like a bargain.


    Yeah, maybe. I don't see RD being the gaping hole that some people think it is. I do think it's time to see what they've got in Liljegren and Sandin, and base their future decisions on that.
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    Yeah, maybe. I don't see RD being the gaping hole that some people think it is. I do think it's time to see what they've got in Liljegren and Sandin, and base their future decisions on that.


    Definitely. Teams like the Leafs and also the Pens, really need to rely on a few ELC's having an impact. You guys don't need to be in a crazy rush, but you also don't want to wait too long and miss out on pieces that could help you now. It's a tough balance to strike.
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    Quoting: Mr_Gardoki
    Definitely. Teams like the Leafs and also the Pens, really need to rely on a few ELC's having an impact. You guys don't need to be in a crazy rush, but you also don't want to wait too long and miss out on pieces that could help you now. It's a tough balance to strike.


    Yeah, I'm a Ducks fan, so I haven't really got that problem right now, though we've been there and done that tears of joy
     
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