Ranked from most value to least:
Bertuzzi - first of all I don’t think they will actively shop him, and at his age, he’ll still be in his prime come playoff contention for the Wings. That being said, if a significant over payment came knocking, Stevie would consider.
Value: first or second line Center under 26 y/o.
Leddy: I don’t think Stevie brought him in just to be trade bait; the left side of our D is very weak without him. If they choose to partner him up with Seider than there’s value in keeping him for continuity in Seiders development. That said, he’s on an expiring contract and if an extension isn’t agreed upon by the deadline, he likely gone. Anything less than what we paid for him (mid round 2nd) would look bad for the GM so the bidding starts at a first.
Value 1st, maybe 1st plus a prospect
Fabbri - also won’t be actively shopped but would be much easier to replace, not sure if he is still with the team after he reaches UFA anyways.
Value: 2nd and a “b” list prospect.
Stetcher: probably our best trade bet, RD is pretty well set with Hronek/Seider/ and potentially Lindstrom, Stetcher may stay on as that 3D or switch sides and play a bigger role, but I think if his numbers remain consistent or better than last year, he’ll garner a lot of interest. He’s also in his prime years and may not want to wait till his early to mid 30s to be on a contender.
Value: 3rd plus “c” level prospect or 2nd if he improves his game.
Gagner: he actually put up some very good defensive numbers last year. If he continues that trend then he’d be a solid depth guy on a contender who can improve the PK and add a veteran voice.
Value: 3rd/4th or a average prospect
Greiss: goalies rarely change teams at the deadline and when they do, it rarely works out. Besides, I don’t think Det loses its 1B to anything less than a 3rd.
Value: 3rd plus a cap dump replacement G
Namestikov: doesn’t fit into the long term plans here, but can be a solid depth and PK piece for a contender.
Value: 4th, maybe a 3rd with salary retention.
Stall: I think he’s content on retiring here but if a true contender wanted to bring him aboard then maybe. Either way, he doesn’t have much value.
Value: 4th w/retained salary
I think he meant the asking price for either is Nylander. Because if you make a trade with the Leafs the rules are they have to lose the trade in a landslide. I bet Larkin is worth Matthews as a starting point.
The first sentence is “I’d say both for Nylander.” You playing this victim card because you’re a Leaf fan is getting old. Don’t like the ask why don’t you offer up a trade or provide comps instead of complaining just for the sake of it.
The first sentence is “I’d say both for Nylander.” You playing this victim card because you’re a Leaf fan is getting old. Don’t like the ask why don’t you offer up a trade or provide comps instead of complaining just for the sake of it.
No victim here. Just finding it insane how much wing fans overvalue their assets on this site. Leaf fans get railroaded here for this but by far Wings fans are the worst on here. Bertuzzi is a middle 6 winger on a good team and you guys want elite top line winger returns. Leddy is a cap dump and Yzerman sent a 2nd for him. Now you want a 1st at the deadline. Your team is one of the worst in the league because you don't have any high end players. Your best player is a 2nd liner on pretty much every other team and you guys act like all your players have high value. Its hilarious.
No victim here. Just finding it insane how much wing fans overvalue their assets on this site. Leaf fans get railroaded here for this but by far Wings fans are the worst on here. Bertuzzi is a middle 6 winger on a good team and you guys want elite top line winger returns. Leddy is a cap dump and Yzerman sent a 2nd for him. Now you want a 1st at the deadline. Your team is one of the worst in the league because you don't have any high end players. Your best player is a 2nd liner on pretty much every other team and you guys act like all your players have high value. Its hilarious.
Every fan base has fans that overvalue their players your comment is also playing a victim card in addition to generalizations. Leddy was just traded for so I’d wager actual GMs don’t see him as a cap dump. It was actual a solid move as if he works out it helps Seider’s development and he could be flipped at the TDL if not extended. The value assessments are pretty spot on with the exception of Bertuzzi as I’ve already outlined comps multiple times on this site. If you care to actual provide any supporting evidence to your speculation I’m willing to discuss.
Every fan base has fans that overvalue their players your comment is also playing a victim card in addition to generalizations. Leddy was just traded for so I’d wager actual GMs don’t see him as a cap dump. It was actual a solid move as if he works out it helps Seider’s development and he could be flipped at the TDL if not extended. The value assessments are pretty spot on with the exception of Bertuzzi as I’ve already outlined comps multiple times on this site. If you care to actual provide any supporting evidence to your speculation I’m willing to discuss.
I think Wings fans on here need to temper expectations by a lot.
You still haven’t provided any comps to support this speculation and continue to assume that all Wing fans have the same value assessments of players.
I think your best chance for Bertuzzi would be a Blake Coleman return. A late 1st is the ceiling. Getting a under 26 year old 1st or 2nd line centre is insanity. A first or 2nd line centre under the age of 26 are both more valuable than Bertuzzi.
I think your best chance for Bertuzzi would be a Blake Coleman return. A late 1st is the ceiling. Getting a under 26 year old 1st or 2nd line centre is insanity. A first or 2nd line centre under the age of 26 are both more valuable than Bertuzzi.
Like I said “ The value assessments are pretty spot on with the exception of Bertuzzi as I’ve already outlined comps multiple times on this site.” I’ve never once said Bertuzzi for a 1-2C. I also wouldn’t put a ceiling on Bertuzzi as only a first round pick looking at previous top 6 wingers just from Detroit. Tatar returned a first, second, and third and Mantha returned Vrana + first (second was used to dump Panik). I think a fair offer would be a first + B+ prospect but then the question is why move him? I’d get it if reports came out he was unhappy or a bad locker room guy but that hasn’t been established yet.
Like I said “ The value assessments are pretty spot on with the exception of Bertuzzi as I’ve already outlined comps multiple times on this site.” I’ve never once said Bertuzzi for a 1-2C. I also wouldn’t put a ceiling on Bertuzzi as only a first round pick looking at previous top 6 wingers just from Detroit. Tatar returned a first, second, and third and Mantha returned Vrana + first (second was used to dump Panik). I think a fair offer would be a first + B+ prospect but then the question is why move him? I’d get it if reports came out he was unhappy or a bad locker room guy but that hasn’t been established yet.
Why move him? Because you are still 3-4 years away from contending and should stock the shelves with high end prospects and support guys. Which you just don't have. Also Mantha is better than Bertuzzi and the Tatar trade had been universally panned as a bad one.
Why move him? Because you are still 3-4 years away from contending and should stock the shelves with high end prospects and support guys. Which you just don't have. Also Mantha is better than Bertuzzi and the Tatar trade had been universally panned as a bad one.
You can have guys not on their ELC contributing to a contender and is actually preferred for the development of prospects. No high end prospects? You don’t follow the draft if you don’t think Seider, Raymond, Edvinsson, and Cossa aren’t high end prospects. Then you have “support” guys like Berggren who tore up the SHL, Veleno as a middle six center, Johansson who outproduced Broberg. I’m really curious how you LD wager Mantha is better because they’re polar opposites stylistically and their year end production is pretty similar. Sure, Mo goes on streaks but he isn’t even remotely physical like Bertuzzi or a great net front guy. Tatar didn’t work in Vegas but he seemed to thrive in Montreal so we can easily chalk that up to system or sample size.
You can have guys not on their ELC contributing to a contender and is actually preferred for the development of prospects. No high end prospects? You don’t follow the draft if you don’t think Seider, Raymond, Edvinsson, and Cossa aren’t high end prospects. Then you have “support” guys like Berggren who tore up the SHL, Veleno as a middle six center, Johansson who outproduced Broberg. I’m really curious how you LD wager Mantha is better because they’re polar opposites stylistically and their year end production is pretty similar. Sure, Mo goes on streaks but he isn’t even remotely physical like Bertuzzi or a great net front guy. Tatar didn’t work in Vegas but he seemed to thrive in Montreal so we can easily chalk that up to system or sample size.
What are you even talking about now? Winning the Stanley Cup? Only one of those guys has won it so not exactly a glowing endorsement.
What I am saying is you have some decent prospects that look like they will be good players but I don't see any superstars on your squad. No Kucherov's or Points, no Pietrangelo. I think you'll eventually be competitive but I also bet Yzerman jumps the gun and thinks he's further ahead than he is.
What I am saying is you have some decent prospects that look like they will be good players but I don't see any superstars on your squad. No Kucherov's or Points, no Pietrangelo. I think you'll eventually be competitive but I also bet Yzerman jumps the gun and thinks he's further ahead than he is.
I think you’d be surprised that I temper expectations of many on Detroit being a contender. Just a couple days ago I believe it was a Toronto fan said Detroit could become a dynasty. Found it here:
Yzerman since coming to Detroit and at his press conference post 2021 draft said patience. He hasn’t done anything to jump the gun in the rebuild nor do I think there’s a cookie cutter template for success. Look at NYI, I wouldn’t say they have a player of that caliber you mentioned yet they have a very effective system in place.
I think you’d be surprised that I temper expectations of many on Detroit being a contender. Just a couple days ago I believe it was a Toronto fan said Detroit could become a dynasty. Found it here:
Yzerman since coming to Detroit and at his press conference post 2021 draft said patience. He hasn’t done anything to jump the gun in the rebuild nor do I think there’s a cookie cutter template for success. Look at NYI, I wouldn’t say they have a player of that caliber you mentioned yet they have a very effective system in place.
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