Eichel seems to be too high. Sure, he plays for the Sabres, but he only has one season under his belt that could *maybe* warrant him a spot in the top5

i disagree , top 5 centre and people are going to realize that very soon once hes moved

I mean, you have him over Crosby, Barkov and Point who have all broken 90 points in the last 3 seasons, Eichel's highest is 82. And if you want to compare their defensive games, I could see Eichel being the 4th or 3rd best of the bunch.

points are irrelevant when you take into consideration quality of teammates. I think eichel and crosby are very close at this point in crosbys career

Matthews is definitely not better than Mac, probably not better than Draisaitl, arguably better than Crosby at this point in his career. He should be next to Eichel and Barkov around 5th

this is why i have you on a mute list, Matthews was gonna score 65 this season, leads every single one of these centres in hits, blocked shots and takeaways, and is very close to being elite in his own end. Leaf bias aside, he wipes draisatl, and is a better player than MacKinnon. I also forgot to mention he was gonna score 65 playing with one wrist all year. Your probably dont watch enough film on these players like i do. Matthews is no debate a top 2 centre in the league.

Okay, since points are irrelevant, let's use advanced stats (JFresh's EV offence%)

Barkov leads the four with 98% while not playing with Huberdeau
Crosby comes in second with a very respectable 93%
Point has 90% even without Kucherov
Eichel has 88%, which still is great, just not great enough.

Crosby has the highest QoT (quality of teammates)
Barkov is on par with Eichel, altough Barkov plays against much tougher opponents (93% QoC versus Eichel's 59%)
Point had the worst teammates.

You wouldnt be able to see my responses if you had me muted LMAO. Matthews is a very good player but no he is definitely not better than Nate. MacKinnon is the 2nd best player in the world and is actually pretty close to McDavid level, both are quite a bit better than Matthews.

I am not calling Matthews better because he is obviously an amazing player, but calling him the 2nd best player in the world because he paced 65 goals in a very short season in a defensively disabled division is pretty funny. Mac paced 111 points this year, AM34 paced 104

i believe that is based off of Eichels 21 game sample size where he was playing injured rather than the three year percentile?

It is based on last 3 years' weighed averages

youre basing your player evaluation off of a 7 point differential when matthews does legit everything else better than mackinnon and did all of this playing on one wrist? matthews is a perennial 50 goal scoring centre who can play a shutdown role. Hes like Ovi but plays centre is actually defensively responsible. Its laughable how you just tried to base a player evaluation off of a 7 point differential when everyone knows goals are more valuable than assists

Draisaitl always underrated. Has been top 2 in scoring the last 2 seasons. Also he has a hart, Ted Lindsay and a Art rosa to hid name. Does Matthews or Mac have that?

i see , i just personally believe Jack Eichel is a no question top 5 centre in the league and has been dragged by buffalo but i guess we will find out when he gets traded

you mean McDavids merchant that cant play defence to save his life?

I guess so. But it is a statistical fact that he has not been as good as those three during the last three seasons.

Besides being a trigger man like Stamkos what does Matthews actually do better than MacKinnon?

matthews is the opposite of a trigger man, he generates the most scoring chances in the league lmfao. he doesnt sit and wait for one timers, he normally has the puck himself and creates the opportunity for himself. He defends better than mackinnon, uses his body more, takes the puck away more and gives it away less, blocks more shots, scores more and finishes better. MacKinnon is a better skater and passer and thats about it.

Matthews is Stamkos 2.0, he is not Ovi level. MacKinnon was literally better defensively than Matthews this year

Sir, there's a Connor McDavid on line 1...

this is probably the most uneducated response ive read. Stammer scored mostly off of 1Ts on the powerplay, 80% of matthews goals come at 5v5 off of scoring chances he generated himself. Matthews and Prime Stamkos are almost opposites of eachother. In terms of finishing chances, matthews is absolutely Ovi level, and if he stayed healthy 3-4 years ago that would be even more obvious then it is now.

Its really not worth talking to you, you obviously never watched prime Stamkos. Your bias is so incredible its hilarious. Just put me back on your ignore list already.

stammers first 50 goal year he scored 48% of his goals on the powerplay, his 60 goal year he had 48 EV strength but a massive boost in his shooting percentage, matthews SH% has been consistent as well as his EV strength goal pace for 5 straight years but go off, youre trying to create narratives to discredit when in reality your "narrative" is so far from reality its insane

Where stammer scored his goals doesn't discredit his ability to create scoring chances for himself lol. You talk about me creating a narrative when that's literally what you are doing right now by throwing completely unrelated stats at the wall to make a "point"

Draisaitl and mackinnon secpnd and third, I'd move Matthews fourth Barkov fifth point sixth eichel seventh.

At least #1 is right