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Arizona Coyotes - 5th in the West last year, have since swapped Conor Garland, Tyler Pitlick, Derick Brassard, Michael Bunting, Frederik Gauthier, Oliver Ekman-Larsson, Alex Goligoski, Jordan Oesterle, Darcy Kuemper, Antti Raanta and Adin Hill for Dmitrij Jaskin, Ryan Dzingel, Antoine Roussel, Jay Beagle, Loui Eriksson, Travis Boyd, Anton Stralman, Shayne Gostisbehere, Conor Timmins, Carter Hutton, Josef Koreanr and all your favourite teams draft picks. At 1C, Nick Schmaltz is a solid 2C. Clayton Keller on his wing is an elite offensive 1LW. Phil Kessel on the right side is just a 2RW trigger man for Keller. This first line is more of a high end second line but it may put up points because I think Kessel and Keller are a good fit. At 2C, Christian Dvorak is a great offensive 2C. On his left side, Hayton has been a bottom six guy so far in his career. I think we see solid third line play this year but nothing too special. Too high in the lineup. Christian Fischer is a bottom 6 PK specialist on the second line. This second line sucks and won't score any goals. At 3LW, Lawson Crouse is a 4th liner. At 3C, Johan Larsson is a perfect low event 3C. Exactly what you want out of a 3C. Onto the interesting one. Dmitrij Jaskin. He could be the sneaky best pickup this offseason. He put up an NHLe of 65 last year in the KHL. If he can replicate that success he'll be a high end NHL second liner. Back in his NHL day he posted Selke level defensive results as well. Add in a new found offensive touch and you have a solid top 6 winger. That said his previous NHL season was a complete failure so he may not translate but who knows. At the very least is a great fit at 3RW. I like this 3rd line. Crouse is an anchor but Larsson and Jaskin are the exact third line players you want. 4th line or the don't suck line. Beagle. Fail. Roussel. Miserable fail. Taking that many stupid penalties should be enough to lose an NHL roster spot. Dzingel. Will replace Crouse in short order. Overall, especially after Dzingel goes to the third line, this 4th line will suck. Like liability level. Only bright spot on this forward group is the 3rd line which will be extremely good defensively and may even have offensive upside, especially if you add Dzingel. On defence, Jakob Chychrun is debatably a top 5 NHL d-men. Truly elite 1D. On his right side, I think Timmins will be fine at 1RD making an elite top pair. Last year, Gostisbehre had a sneakily great offensive bounce back season. I think we see a top pair quality Ghost now free of Philadelphia. On his right side, Lyubushkin is the perfect non-event partner for a high event guy like Ghost. This is sneakily one of the NHL's better second pairs. On 3LD, Anton Stralman is easily a top 4 OFD option. On his right side, Soderstrom posted decent 4-5 results in 4 games last year. I think he'll be perfectly fine on the third pair and may force top 4 minutes. In net, Hutton-Korenar may be the NHL's worst duo. On PP1 is Dvorak-Schmaltz-Keller-Kessel-Chychrun. This is a really good PP1. Overall, the forward group is underwhelming everywhere besides the 3rd line, on defence, they have one of the best first pairs in the NHL, a rock solid second pair and one of the NHL's best third pairs. The goaltending is a disaster. PP1 and the defence will likely generate all the offence for this team. Overall, not a horrendous team but not good.





Chicago Blackhawks - 6th in the Central last year, have since swapped Pius Suter, David Kampf, Vinnie Hinostroza, Adam Boqvist, Duncan Keith and Nikita Zadorov for Tyler Johnson, Jujhar Khaira, Seth Jones, Caleb Jones, Jake McCabe and Marc-Andre Fleury. At 1C, Kirby Dach has been a bottom six centre thus far in his career. I expect middle 6 centre play this year which is bad for a 1C. On his LW, Alex DeBrincat is one of the NHL's most elite wingers and goal scorers. On his RW, Patrick Kane is one of the NHLs most elite playmaking RWs in history which is a great fit with one of its current best goal scorers. Its a decent 1st line. Kane and DeBrincat likely drag good results out of Dach. At 2C, Jonathan Toews is likely a perfectly capable 2C after taking a year off at 33. On his LW Dominik Kubalik is a great 1st line LW that has been bumped down to LW2 by elite winger depth. Dylan Strome on his RW is a good middle 6 winger. Not a tremendous 2RW but it may work. The second line isn't tremendous but may be serviceable. Philipp Kurashev is a good goal scoring 3LW who can't do much else. That said, goal scoring on the 3rd line isn't super effective so he's kind of useless. Henrik Borgstrom has been an incredibly average 4C thus far in his career. Tyler Johnson is a low event great fit at 3RW. At least last season. Before that, everything was happening. Complete 180. Who knows what we get this year. Not a great 3rd line. Kurashev doesn't fit, Borgstrom isn't good enough and Johnson is unpredictable. 4th line. Brandon Hagel is a solid bottom 6 winger who doesn't take penalties. Jujhar Khaira sucks and takes dumb penalties. Ryan Carpenter takes is a great bottom 6 RW. Low event, PK specialist. Clavin De Haan is a great lockdown 2LD who is one spot too high in the lineup. Seth Jones had a horrendous year last year. I expect to see more of the second pairing lockdown PP specialist guy we've seen in the past this year. Overall this is a great lockdown second pair. Jake McCabe is a rock solid lockdown #2 d-man. Connor Murphy is also a great all around top pairing defensemen who can do a little bit of everything. I think he has some #1 d-man potential in him if you gave him PP time and he had a great year. Caleb Jones is a solid 4-5 d-men. Wyatt Kalynuk is a 6-7D at best who's analytical results are unfathomably boosted by elite goal scoring results which to put it kindly are completely useless for defensemen. Overall this is a good defensive group. Very complete. In net Kevin Lankinen and Fleury are both starting goalies, Fleury being one of the NHL's most elite. Elite goaltending tandem. On PP1 is Dach-Kane-Toews-DeBrincat-Jones. Pretty good PP. Dach probably doesn't belong but its solid other than that. Overall, they have a decent 1st line, below average 2nd line, bad 3rd line and a decent 4th line making a bad forward group. The defensive core is very complete and the goaltending is great. Pretty good PP as well.




Colorado Avalanche - 1st in the West last year, have since swapped Joonas Donskoi, Brandon Saad, Matt Calvert, Ryan Graves, Patrick Nemeth, Conor Timmins and Phillip Grubauer for Darren Helm, Mikhail Maltsev, Ryan Murray, Kurtis MacDermid and Darcy Kuemper. At 1C, Nathan MacKinnon is the NHL's second best player. At RW, Mikko Rantanen is a top 3 RW and on the LW Gabriel Landeskog is an elite two way 1LW making this, the best line in hockey. JT Compher is an elite defensive 3LW with a scoring touch playing 2LW. Nazem Kadri is a middle of the road all-offence 2C. Andre Burakovsky is one of the NHL's most elite goal scorers who is also dominant two-ways. 1RW playing 2RW. Overall, the second line isn't actually great. Alex Newhook performed great in the NHL last year and depending on how you calculate it had roughly an NHLe of 28. You add improvement onto that and I think he's a better fit than Compher at 2LW and would make the second line a good second line and the third line an elite defensive third line. At 3C, Tyson Jost is one of the NHL's best shutdown 3Cs with 2C upside. Valeri Nichushkin, analytical darling extraordinaire. In reality he's a perfect shutdown 3RW who's a good playmaker. Overall this is a great shutdown 3rd line, especially with Compher and Newhook swapped. The 4th line is a great defensive 4th lien that doesn't take penalties. All 3 players are easily 3rd line capable. Overall its a super complete forward group that is dominant on every line besides a very average second line. On D, Cale Makar, Sam Girard and Devon Toews are all Norris calibre, Team Canada candidate defensemen. Erik Johnson is now 3 years removed from his last good season. He could be a solid #4 or a 3rd pairing guy. I think after taking a season off at 33 and not being Jonathan Toews, he'll be third pairing. Overall, Girard fixes that pair making it a high end second pairing coupled with debatebly the NHL's best first pairing. On the 3rd pair, Bowen Byram should be a solid top 4 performer this year. Ryan Murray is a decent third pairing guy. Overall this is arguably the best d-core in the NHL simply because of beyond elite high end d-men. It's not super filled out but everything else compensates for that. In net, Francouz and Kumper will be an elite tandem. Kuemper is one of the NHL's top starters and Francouz is an incredibly slept on 1A calibre guy. On the PP1, Landeskog-Kadri-Rantanen-Mackinnon-Makar. All 5 are some of the best PP performers in the NHL making this debatably the leagues best PP unit. Overall this team has the NHL's best first line, an average second line, a shutdown bottom 6, the NHL's best pair, a very good second pair, a good third pair, an elite goaltending tandem and a top 3 league PP.





Dallas Stars - 5th in the Central last year, have since swapped Andrew Cogliano, Jason Dickinson, Jamie Oleksiak and Mark Pysyk for Luke Glendening, Michael Raffl, Ryan Suter, Jane Hakanpaa and Braden Holtby. Joe Pavelski is still an elite two-way 1C. Roope Hintz is a great two-way 1LW with an elite scoring touch. Jason Robertson is an all-offence 1RW. Overall, this is a great two-way first line. At 2C, Tyler Seguin is still a great offensive top 6C. Jamie Benn is still a great two-way 2LW. On his RW Alex Radulov is a solid 2RW. This makes a solid second line to complete a very filled out top 6. Joel Kiviranta, NHL legend, is a 4th liner with a scoring touch. Not a great fit here. Radek Faksa has been on a dramatic decline for 3 years until he finally became, debatably the NHL's worst player last year. He could bounce back to what he was in 2020, an incredibly average 3C but who knows. Denis Gurianov is a top 6 all offence winger who should be good on the 3rd line here with Kiviranta. If Faksa bounces back, you have a serviceable 3rd line, if he doesn't, he's bad enough to make it complete hot garbage. I think he'll be fine. On the 4th line, or the don't suck line, Michael Raffl is garbage and takes garbage penalties. Luke Glendening is also one of the NHL's worst and adds terrible penalties onto that. Blake Comeau is also complete garbage, and who would've guessed, takes garbage penalties. He posted Selke level defensive metrics for the last 4 years though... As far as I can tell the only purpose of this 4th line is to take penalties. Assuming a Faksa bounce back, the top 9 has no holes but this 4th line may cause actual immeasurable, season crushing damage to this team. You can't have your 4th line turn the puck over 12 times, give your goalie a heart attack and then take a penalty to end it off. On D, Ryan Suter is an all-offence #2-3. Miro Heiskanen is one of the NHL's most talented young defensemen who for some reason has pretty bad analytical results which I am going to disregard because 5 minutes of watching him reveals him to be a #1. Overall, solid top pair. Esa Lindell is a perfect shutdown #4. John Klingberg is the second Stars defensemen who's analytical results might give you the impression he fell vertically off the side of a mountain last year. Not sure what to make of that because eye test suggest he's a top pairing d-man all day long. Overall, very good second pair. On the 3rd pair is Sekera-Hakanpaa. Both are all-defence 4-5 d-men. Good 3rd pair to round out a solid, complete defensive core. In net, Khudobin-Oettinger. Khudobin had a down year but is generally a great tandem goalie and Oettinger should be a solid tandem guy this year giving the Stars a solid tandem. PP1. Pavelski-Benn-Seguin-Radulov-Klingberg. Really good PP1. Overall this is a super complete team that's only weakness is the 4th line. They don't dominate in any areas but are solid almost everywhere. Should be fine providing the 4th line doesn't singlehandedly tank the entire season which might actually happen.




Minnesota Wild - 3rd in the West last year, have since swapped Marcus Johansson, Zach Parise, Nick Bonino, Ryan Suter, Carson Soucy and Ian Cole for Frederick Gaudreau, Alex Goligoski, Dmitry Kulikov and Jon Merrill. DailyFaceoff has some weird lines for the Wild but I'll use them anyway. At 1C, Joel Eriksson Ek was a bonafide 1C last year. Can he replicate it? I seriously doubt it. I think this here he'll remain one of the best two-way centermen in the league but in more of a top 6 type guy as opposed to elite 1C. Last year Jordan Greenway set a new career high in points in a 56 game seasons well. He also was a bottom 5 analytical player in the entire league when he used to be a Selke calibre analytical player. Not sure what that's about. I think realistically he's a 2LW. Marcus Foligno was a 2RW calibre (last year) and one of the best defensive forwards in the NHL. I think this line is a second line that won't give up any goals all season if Greenway returns to form. On the second line, Victor Rask is an all-offence 2C. On his LW, Kirill Kaprizov is good two-ways and was elite in his rookie season. This year he'll be one of the best wingers and best players in the entire NHL. Mats Zuccarello is a top 6 winger who can be serviceable on the first line or be a high end 2nd liner. Overall, Kaprizov makes an otherwise ordinary second line one of the NHL's bests. Matthew Boldy posted an NHLe of roughly 28 last year depending on how you calculate it. Add his progression to that and I think he'll be a solid 40 point middle 6 winger in his rookie year. Ryan Hartman was a great no event bottom 6 player last year. If he can replicate it he's a good 3C. On his RW, Kevin Fiala is a great first liner who DailyFaceoff has on the the third line for some reason. Overall this is a very high end third line thanks to Fiala. On the fourth line, Nico Sturm is a solid middle 6 winger who posted first line analytical results last year. At 4C, Frederick Gaudreau is a great bottom 6 C and at 4RW, Nick Bjugstad is a solid middle 6 winger. This is more of a third line than a fourth line. Overall this forward group has three second lines and a fourth line. Very good two-way, complete forward group that really lacks high end talent past Kaprizov. On D, Jonas Brodin is a bonafide top pairing d-man and arguably the best shutdown guy in the NHL. His partner, Matt Dumba is the opposite and an all-offence #2 d-man making this a very complete first pair. Alex Goligoski is a solid all-offence second pairing d-man. Jared Spurgeon, analytical darling extraordinaire, is not actually the best d-man in the NHL and is just a good #1 completing a good second pair and very high end top 4. Dmitry Kulikov is a lockdown 3-4 playing on the third pair and Jon Merrill is perfect no event third pairing d-man. Overall, this is one of the best d-cores in the NHL and unlike the forwards has actual high end talent. Despite what mainstream media will tell you, Cam Talbot is a good starting goalie who the Oilers played into the ground until he was so exhausted he couldn't move and then they traded him and everybody collectively decided he was garbage. He actually isn't. Kaapo Kahkonen will be a more than capable backup. Solid tandem. On PP1 its Zuccarello-Rask-Kaprizov-Spurgeon-Fiala. Rask shouldn't be here but a solid PP past that. Overall this team has 4 solid lines but no great ones, one of the best defensive cores in the league, a solid tandem, a solid PP and is just very complete and very good defensively. Only weakness is no true 1C and if you could find that and then follow it up by not using Dailyfaceoffs horrendous lines then you have a cup contender.




Nashville Predators - 4th in the Central last year, have since swapped Ryan Ellis and Pekka Rinne for Cody Glass, Phillip Myers and David Rittich. At 1C, Ryan Johansen is a middle 6C. On his LW, Filip Forsberg is a solid two-way 1LW. On his RW Eeli Tolvanen is a defensive 2RW with a scoring touch. Very bad 1st line. At 2C, Matt Duchene is an all-offence 2C who was fairly snake-bitten last year. Mikael Granlund is an all-offence 2LW. Luke Kunin is a middle 6 RW who can score and not much else. I think he's a good fit here though with 2 solid playmakers. Good, yet unspectacular second line. Cody Glass could be a solid bottom 6C this year. Nick Cousins is a middle 6 two-way winger. Philip Tomasino posted an NHLe of 35 last year. That would indicate he should be a solid middle 6 winger this year. Good 3rd line. Yakov Trenin an elite defensive 3LW at 4LW. Colton Sissons is an elite defensive, low event, perfect 3C playing 4C. Mathieu Olivier is a capable 4RW. Solid 4th line that is more of a low end 3rd line. On D Roman Josi is a top 5 NHL d-man. On his right side Phillipe Myers was all-defence two years ago. Last year he was all-offence. Probably just a solid #4. Good first pair simply because of Josi. Mattias Ekholm is an elite offensive #2 d-man. On his right side, Alex Carrier is a solid defensive #4. Mark Borowiecki is a decent #6 d-man. Dante Fabbro is another solid defensive #4. Overall its a very good d-core. Lacks a #3 but having 5 top 4 d-men and one of the best d-men in the NHL make it one of the NHL's best d-cores. In net Juuso Saros should have won the Vezina last year. David Rittich is an inconsistent 1B. Very good goaltending tandem simply because of Saros. On PP1 its Duchene-Johansen-Forsberg-Tolvanen-Josi. With the exception of Tolvanen, all are historically pretty great PP performers making this a good PP. Overall this team has a terrible 1st line, decent second line, good 3rd line, great 4th line, good 1st pair, good 2nd pair, good 3rd pair, great tandem and a solid PP. Past the top 6 its a very good team.



St. Louis Blues - 4th in 4th West last year, have since swapped Jaden Schwartz, Mike Hoffman, Sammy Blais, Jacob De La Rose, Vince Dunn and Carl Gunnarsson for Pavel Buchnevich and Brandon Saad. At 1C, Ryan O'Reilly is one of the best two-way Cs in hockey. Terrific 1C. Zach Sanford on his wing is an all-defence middle 6 winger. On his RW, David Perron is an elite two-way, goal scoring 1RW. Really good 1st line, Sanford drags it down though. Brayden Schenn is an all-offence 2C. Brandon Saad is an all-offence 2LW with a scoring touch. Pavel Buchnevich is a terrific two-way 1RW playing 2RW. Really good 2nd line. Robert Thomas should be a solid two-way middle 6C this year. Jordan Kyrou is an all-offence 2RW. Klim Kostin posted an NHLe of 28 last year. He'll probably be a decent 3LW this year. Overall very good 3rd lien that is closer to a low-end 2nd line. Oskar Sundqvist is a solid defensive bottom 6C. Ivan Barbashev is a PK specialist 4LW. Mackenzie MacEachern is a solid defensive 4RW making a solid defensive 4th line, especially if Barbashev's PK results can translate to 5v5 defense. Overall very complete two-way forward group that only lacks a 1LW. Every line is solid. On D, Torey Krug is an all-offence #2 d-man. Justin Faulk was a lockdown #2 last year and if he replicates that this pairing should mesh well to make a solid 1st pair. At 2LD, Marco Scandella was a great #3 in 2020 and sucked in 2021. Should be around a capable #4 this year. Colton Parayko again was tremendous in 2020 and sucked last year. If he can return to his #1 form than St. Louis has a very good top 4. Niko Mikkola is a solid third pairing guy. Robert Bortuzzo is a solid defensive 4-5. Overall very good d-core providing Parayko can return to form. One of the better d-cores in the NHL if that happens. Binnington is still a good starter, Ville Husso is a horrible backup. Not a great tandem. PP1 is Schenn-O'Reilly-Perron-Krug-Parayko. Great PP. Overall its a very good team, good not great 1st line, really good 2nd line, really good 3rd line, solid 4th line, good 1st pair, good second pair, good third pair, good PP, just lacks a backup goalie and 1LW.



Winnipeg Jets - 3rd in the North last year have since swapped Mason Appleton, Mathieu Perreault, Trevor Lewis, Nate Thompson, Derek Forbort, Tucker Poolman and Laurent Brossoit for Riley Nash, Nate Schmidt and Brendon Dillon. At 1C, Mark Scheifele is an elite offensive 1C. On his LW, Kyle Connor is an all-offence, pure sniper which is a great fit with playmaking Scheifele. At 1RW, Blake Wheeler is an all-offence playmaker who is the worst defensive forward in the NHL. Overall, terrific offensive first line and arguably the worst defensive line in the entire NHL. It works though and I think is one of the better NHL first lines. At 2C, Paul Stastny is a very complete two-way 2C. Pierre-Luc Dubois was a disaster in Winnipeg and was just a 2LW. If he can return to form, you have a 1C/1LW. On the RW, Nikolaj Ehlers is an elite 1RW . Overall, one of the better second lines in the NHL especially if Dubois can find his Columbus form. At 3C, Adam Lowry is a good defensive 3C. On his wing, Andrew Copp is an all-offence 2LW. On RW, Jansen Harkins is a 4th liner at best. Overall its a subpar 3rd line that would be a really good one with a capable 3RW. At 4C, David Gustafsson is a capable 4C. Dominic Toninato is a capable 4LW and at 4RW, Riley Nash is a terrific lockdown bottom 6 RW. Overall its an acceptable 4th line that Nash drags above the middle of the pack league wide. Overall, terrific first and second lines, decent third line and decent fourth line. At 1LD, Brendon Dillon is a terrific lockdown #3. At 1RD, Neal Pionk is a great offensive d-man who developed into a bonafide two-way #1 d-man. Solid first pair. On the second pair Nate Schmidt was a top pairing guy in Vegas and was terrible in Van. I think he'll be more of a #3 quality offensive defensemen. On his LD is Josh Morrissey, who, in my personal opinion is a complete flaming pile of sh*t. Sucks to the eye test, sucks at 5v5 production and sucks analytically. The worst analytical d-man in the entire NHL. Yet he's treated like a #1 d-man. At best a third pairing PP specialist. Not a good second pair. On the third pairing Dylan DeMelo is a really good two-way top pairing d-man who is playing third pair for some reason. On his LD, Logan Stanley is just a solid #6. Really good third pair. Overall, solid first pair and really good third pair but a bad second pair. In net, Connor Hellebuyck is arguably the best goalie in the NHL. His backup, Eric Comrie isn't even an NHL goalie. Hellebuyck is going to play like 70 games this year. Solid tandem because of Hellebuyck but figure out the backup goalie Cheveldayoff. On PP1 is Wheeler-Scheifele-Ehlers-Connor-Morrissey. Really good PP. I was ripping on Morrissey earlier but PP is the one thing he's actually good at. Overall, really good top 6, decent bottom 6, good 1st pair, bad second pair and good third pair, good PP and should be okay in net providing Hellebuyck doesn't get tired.




1. Colorado - WC Champs
2. St. Louis
3. Minnesota
4. Winnipeg - WC1
5. Dallas - WC2
6. Nashville
7. Chicago
8. Arizona
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I agree with the finals standings except for Minny, imo they’re worse than Winnipeg and until Kaprizov signs arguably worse than Dallas too
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I agree with the finals standings except for Minny, imo they’re worse than Winnipeg and until Kaprizov signs arguably worse than Dallas too


Fair take, but I think Kaprizov signing is inevitable
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You’re mostly right about Dallas. I can see them finishing from 3-5 because it’s very wishy washy.

Couple of things though. The Robertson-Hintz-Pavs line is in that specific order, and Kiviranta isn’t a 4th liner he’s a swiss army knife who can play up and down the lineup, he’s an ideal 3rd liner.

After that you’ve got it pretty much all right, that 4th line will probably drive me nuts this year to the point that instead of only wanting to box Comeau I’d want all 3 of them.
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Just a few Daily Faceoff corrections...

Zach Sanford on his wing is an all-defence middle 6 winger.

Sanford won't be on the 1st line this season. Well... at least he won;t start there.

On his RW, David Perron is an elite two-way, goal scoring 1RW.

There's a fair chance that Frenchy switches over to 1LW this season.

Colton Parayko again was tremendous in 2020 and sucked last year.

Well, sucks is a bit extreme, but the real problem was he played through a back injury early in the season. Didn't look like himself at all, really. He was fine when he came back from a long layoff.

Ville Husso is a horrible backup.

Husso will be fine. He struggled early in games for a while, but came on much stronger down the stretch. Typical rookie goalie stuff.

PP1 is Schenn-O'Reilly-Perron-Krug-Parayko

Krug runs PP1 by himself. If Tarasenko's still around, he's probably the 4th fourward, or they may go with Buch (or Buch may take Schenn's place).
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I don't necessarily agree with your lines, but your takes are more or less accurate (though I think Kunin is more well-rounded than you give him credit for) -- NSH is just a team that lacks true top 6 talent other than Forsberg. Take the top 6 from any top 15 team in the NHL and put it in NSH while keeping NSH's defense and goaltending -- that's gonna be a pretty good team lol. However, I think Jeannot is a lock to make the top 12 considering they protected him over Jarnkrok. I could also see Benning play 3LD over Boro. Not sure who gets the spot next to Josi -- Fabbro or Myers -- though.

My forward lines would be:
Forsberg - Duchene - Granlund (worked really well two seasons ago until injuries and just never found there way back together -- I'd like to see them get another shot)
Tolvanen - Johansen - Kunin
Jeannot - Glass - Tomasino
Trenin - Sissons - Cousins/Olivier

As far s the powerplay, Tolvanen was pretty much the only reason NSH has a PP. When he came to the team this past season, he revitalized the PP and made it an actual threat. Tolvanen - Josi - Forsberg formed the umbrella and were shooting threats that could score. It worked very well, but the PP2 was nothing special. I'll be interested to see if Glass or Tomasino end up getting some shifts on PP1 to see what they can do. Duchene spent most of his time on PP2 if I'm remembering correctly -- so there could be a slot open.

As far as standings, I think NSH will be in the 5-7 spot. Even with a lack of offensive talent, this team will likely remain competitive and could continue their play from the second half of the 2020-21 season. I doubt it, but it's possible. Might sneak in the playoffs, but more likely on the outside looking in. I think you're sleeping on WPG though -- I'd put them right up there with COL for top of the division.

The hope is that Tolvanen proves he is a top 6 goal scorer and scores 20+, Tomasino and Glass take the next step -- same with any combination of Fabbro/Myers/Carrier, and Duchene/Johansen return back to reasonable form with 45+ point seasons. That's a lot to ask, but we'll see what happens.
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Regarding Chicago you are way off on your assessment of Kurashev as he plays a two way game, has done fairly well at center, and is only 21 years old. He's a very strong ideal bottom 6 player.

Lines are more to the tune of....

Nylander/Hagel - Toews - Kubalik (he prefers to play on the right)
Cat - Dach - Kane
Kurashev - Strome - Johnson
Khaira - Gaudette - Carpenter

Reichel is a wild card to make the team, but could slot up right away on the first line.

Defensively....

McCabe - Jones
De Haan - Murphy (shut down line)
Stillman/Kalynuk - Mitchell/Kalynuk
Caleb Jones

Hawks will make the 2 WC position. Dallas isn't looking good at all and Nashville is a disaster.
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Quoting: villenash
I don't necessarily agree with your lines, but your takes are more or less accurate -- NSH is just a team that lacks true top 6 talent. Take the top 6 from any top 15 team in the NHL and put it in NSH while keeping NSH's defense and goaltending -- that's gonna be a pretty good team lol. However, I think Jeannot is a lock to make the top 12 considering they protected him over Jarnkrok. I could also see Benning play 3LD over Boro. Not sure who gets the spot next to Josi -- Fabbro or Myers -- though.

My forward lines would be:
Forsberg - Duchene - Granlund (worked really well two seasons ago until injuries and just never found there way back together -- I'd like to see them get another shot)
Tolvanen - Johansen - Kunin
Jeannot - Glass - Tomasino
Trenin - Sissons - Cousins/Olivier

As far s the powerplay, Tolvanen was pretty much the only reason NSH has a PP. When he came to the team this past season, he revitalized the PP and made it an actual threat. Tolvanen - Josi - Forsberg formed the umbrella and were shooting threats that could score. It worked very well, but the PP2 was nothing special. I'll be interested to see if Glass or Tomasino end up getting some shifts on PP1 to see what they can do. Duchene spent most of his time on PP2 if I'm remembering correctly -- so there could be a slot open.

As far as standings, I think NSH will be in the 5-7 spot. Even with a lack of offensive talent, this team will likely remain competitive and could continue their play from the second half of the 2020-21 season. I doubt it, but it's possible. Might sneak in the playoffs, but more likely on the outside looking in. I think you're sleeping on WPG though -- I'd put them right up there with COL for top of the division.


He used the lines of daily faceoff, it says it at the top of the post, also I definitely agree with the Winnipeg take
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He used the lines of daily faceoff, it says it at the top of the post, also I definitely agree with the Winnipeg take


Fair enough. Those lines are guesses at this point by DailyFaceoff -- NSH had different lines in the playoffs and end of season. Some of these players weren't even on the team. So either way, I would go with different line combinations at forward and defense.
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Regarding Chicago you are way off on your assessment of Kurashev as he plays a two way game, has done fairly well at center, and is only 21 years old. He's a very strong ideal bottom 6 player.

Lines are more to the tune of....

Nylander/Hagel - Toews - Kubalik (he prefers to play on the right)
Cat - Dach - Kane
Kurashev - Strome - Johnson
Khaira - Gaudette - Carpenter

Reichel is a wild card to make the team, but could slot up right away on the first line.

Defensively....

McCabe - Jones
De Haan - Murphy (shut down line)
Stillman/Kalynuk - Mitchell/Kalynuk
Caleb Jones

Hawks will make the 2 WC position. Dallas isn't looking good at all and Nashville is a disaster.


I’d take Dallas over Chicago, your forwards are mostly young and the Dallas team is more we’ll rounded
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I don't necessarily agree with your lines, but your takes are more or less accurate (though I think Kunin is more well-rounded than you give him credit for) -- NSH is just a team that lacks true top 6 talent other than Forsberg. Take the top 6 from any top 15 team in the NHL and put it in NSH while keeping NSH's defense and goaltending -- that's gonna be a pretty good team lol. However, I think Jeannot is a lock to make the top 12 considering they protected him over Jarnkrok. I could also see Benning play 3LD over Boro. Not sure who gets the spot next to Josi -- Fabbro or Myers -- though.

My forward lines would be:
Forsberg - Duchene - Granlund (worked really well two seasons ago until injuries and just never found there way back together -- I'd like to see them get another shot)
Tolvanen - Johansen - Kunin
Jeannot - Glass - Tomasino
Trenin - Sissons - Cousins/Olivier

As far s the powerplay, Tolvanen was pretty much the only reason NSH has a PP. When he came to the team this past season, he revitalized the PP and made it an actual threat. Tolvanen - Josi - Forsberg formed the umbrella and were shooting threats that could score. It worked very well, but the PP2 was nothing special. I'll be interested to see if Glass or Tomasino end up getting some shifts on PP1 to see what they can do. Duchene spent most of his time on PP2 if I'm remembering correctly -- so there could be a slot open.

As far as standings, I think NSH will be in the 5-7 spot. Even with a lack of offensive talent, this team will likely remain competitive and could continue their play from the second half of the 2020-21 season. I doubt it, but it's possible. Might sneak in the playoffs, but more likely on the outside looking in. I think you're sleeping on WPG though -- I'd put them right up there with COL for top of the division.

The hope is that Tolvanen proves he is a top 6 goal scorer and scores 20+, Tomasino and Glass take the next step -- same with any combination of Fabbro/Myers/Carrier, and Duchene/Johansen return back to reasonable form with 45+ point seasons. That's a lot to ask, but we'll see what happens.


As A habs fan mentioned, daily face off lines
I think Winnipeg could but my big problem with them is Comrie. I think not having a backup will take a toll on Hellebuyck by the time the season ends and goaltending could cost them games
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Quoting: ChiHawk
Regarding Chicago you are way off on your assessment of Kurashev as he plays a two way game, has done fairly well at center, and is only 21 years old. He's a very strong ideal bottom 6 player.

Lines are more to the tune of....

Nylander/Hagel - Toews - Kubalik (he prefers to play on the right)
Cat - Dach - Kane
Kurashev - Strome - Johnson
Khaira - Gaudette - Carpenter

Reichel is a wild card to make the team, but could slot up right away on the first line.

Defensively....

McCabe - Jones
De Haan - Murphy (shut down line)
Stillman/Kalynuk - Mitchell/Kalynuk
Caleb Jones

Hawks will make the 2 WC position. Dallas isn't looking good at all and Nashville is a disaster.


I used the DailyFaveoff lines so that’s why their so weird. I just think the Hawks forward group as a whole is too weak to succeed. Maybe they’ll surprise me though
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Thoughts? Apologies for the semi-mass ping but if you get a ping here, I just wanted your opinion on the breakdown of your team. Don't expect you to read it all though.

I’d say:
Colorado
Winnipeg
St.Louis
Minnesota? (If they have Kirill)
Dallas
Chicago
Nashville
Arizona
Overall tho pretty solid
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That Dallas evaluation is mostly wrong.

DAL being 5th last year in the central with losing Cogliano, Dickinson, Oleksiak and Pysyk for Glendening, Raffl, Suter, Hakanpaa and Holtby tells only half of the story. The real reason why they were 5th in the first place was the fact we lost several assets of our cup final team for the whole year, most notably Seguin and Radulov. Bishop's health problems were just the icing of the cake, too. Our only real loss from 2020-21 coming to 2021-22 is Dickinson - all others who were lost are easily replaceable by the guys they brought in, and to be fair we would've lost Dickinson to Seattle anyway hadn't we dealt him to VAN, so losing him was more or less inevitable.

Also Pavelski is not a C. Hintz is not a LW, and Robertson is not a RW. Hintz is the C on that line, with Pavs being RW and JRob being the LW.

Faksa is not as bad C as he's put out here. The fact he had to constantly play with the dead meat players like Comeau and Cogliano last year and correcting their errors made he lose a huge part of his own game. When playing with more suitable linemates, the guy is defensively elite. It's a matter of couple of years when he was top10 in Selke voting. Same goes for Heiskanen too - he's a superb D in this roster, only forced to play with scrubs that hinders his play. The guy has elite offensive and defensive talent, but he has no chance to show the prior one due to constantly dealing with defensive duties due to constantly being played with subpar assets.

I'm not a huge fan of what Nill has brought in, but honestly I'm convinced a lot of people are terribly underestimating what Stars are capable of. They didn't made it to the finals in 2019-20 because of dumb luck - the team is actually pretty great. Last year they were in the playoff fight till the end with more or less crippled core.

Should they finally play a healthy season, I'm easily placing this roster to the 2nd place in this conference behind Avs.
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This was a hard read for me. It is a ton of info and it all bleeds into each other. I edited it so I could wrap my head around it better.

Minnesota Wild - 3rd in the West last year, have since swapped Marcus Johansson, Zach Parise, Nick Bonino, Ryan Suter, Carson Soucy and Ian Cole for Frederick Gaudreau, Alex Goligoski, Dmitry Kulikov and Jon Merrill. DailyFaceoff has some weird lines for the Wild but I'll use them anyway.

FWDS: Overall this forward group has three second lines and a fourth line. Very good two-way, complete forward group that really lacks high end talent past Kaprizov.

Greenway/JEE/Foligno (I think this line is a second line that won't give up any goals all season if Greenway returns to form.)
-At 1C, Joel Eriksson Ek was a bonafide 1C last year. Can he replicate it? I seriously doubt it. I think this here he'll remain one of the best two-way centermen in the league but in more of a top 6 type guy as opposed to elite 1C.
-Last year Jordan Greenway set a new career high in points in a 56 game seasons well. He also was a bottom 5 analytical player in the entire league when he used to be a Selke calibre analytical player. Not sure what that's about. I think realistically he's a 2LW.
-Marcus Foligno was a 2RW calibre (last year) and one of the best defensive forwards in the NHL.

Kaprisov/Rask/Zucc (Overall, Kaprizov makes an otherwise ordinary second line one of the NHL's bests.)
-Victor Rask is an all-offence 2C.
-Kirill Kaprizov is good two-ways and was elite in his rookie season. This year he'll be one of the best wingers and best players in the entire NHL.
-Mats Zuccarello is a top 6 winger who can be serviceable on the first line or be a high end 2nd liner.

Boldy/Hartman/Fiala (Overall this is a very high end third line thanks to Fiala.)
-Matthew Boldy posted an NHLe of roughly 28 last year depending on how you calculate it. Add his progression to that and I think he'll be a solid 40 point middle 6 winger in his rookie year.
-Ryan Hartman was a great no event bottom 6 player last year. If he can replicate it he's a good 3C.
-Kevin Fiala is a great first liner who DailyFaceoff has on the the third line for some reason.

Sturm/Gadreau/Bjugstad (This is more of a third line than a fourth line.)
-Nico Sturm is a solid middle 6 winger who posted first line analytical results last year.
-Frederick Gaudreau is a great bottom 6 C.
-Nick Bjugstad is a solid middle 6 winger.

D-corps: (Overall, this is one of the best d-cores in the NHL and unlike the forwards has actual high end talent)

Brodin/Dumba (a very complete first pair)
-Jonas Brodin is a bonafide top pairing d-man and arguably the best shutdown guy in the NHL. His partner,
-Matt Dumba is the opposite and an all-offence #2 d-man

Goligoski/Spurgeon
-Alex Goligoski is a solid all-offence second pairing d-man.
-Jared Spurgeon, analytical darling extraordinaire, is not actually the best d-man in the NHL and is just a good #1 completing a good second pair and very high end top 4.

Kulikov/Merrill
-Dmitry Kulikov is a lockdown 3-4 playing on the third pair
-Jon Merrill is perfect no event third pairing d-man.

Goalies: (Solid tandem)
-Cam Talbot is a good starting goalie who the Oilers played into the ground until he was so exhausted he couldn't move and then they traded him and everybody collectively decided he was garbage. He actually isn't.
-Kaapo Kahkonen will be a more than capable backup.

Notes:
-On PP1 its Zuccarello-Rask-Kaprizov-Spurgeon-Fiala. Rask shouldn't be here but a solid PP past that.
-Overall this team has 4 solid lines but no great ones, one of the best defensive cores in the league, a solid tandem, a solid PP and is just very complete and very good defensively.
-Only weakness is no true 1C and if you could find that and then follow it up by not using Dailyfaceoffs horrendous lines then you have a cup contender.
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That Dallas evaluation is mostly wrong.

DAL being 5th last year in the central with losing Cogliano, Dickinson, Oleksiak and Pysyk for Glendening, Raffl, Suter, Hakanpaa and Holtby tells only half of the story. The real reason why they were 5th in the first place was the fact we lost several assets of our cup final team for the whole year, most notably Seguin and Radulov. Bishop's health problems were just the icing of the cake, too. Our only real loss from 2020-21 coming to 2021-22 is Dickinson - all others who were lost are easily replaceable by the guys they brought in, and to be fair we would've lost Dickinson to Seattle anyway hadn't we dealt him to VAN, so losing him was more or less inevitable.

Also Pavelski is not a C. Hintz is not a LW, and Robertson is not a RW. Hintz is the C on that line, with Pavs being RW and JRob being the LW.

Faksa is not as bad C as he's put out here. The fact he had to constantly play with the dead meat players like Comeau and Cogliano last year and correcting their errors made he lose a huge part of his own game. When playing with more suitable linemates, the guy is defensively elite. It's a matter of couple of years when he was top10 in Selke voting. Same goes for Heiskanen too - he's a superb D in this roster, only forced to play with scrubs that hinders his play. The guy has elite offensive and defensive talent, but he has no chance to show the prior one due to constantly dealing with defensive duties due to constantly being played with subpar assets.

I'm not a huge fan of what Nill has brought in, but honestly I'm convinced a lot of people are terribly underestimating what Stars are capable of. They didn't made it to the finals in 2019-20 because of dumb luck - the team is actually pretty great. Last year they were in the playoff fight till the end with more or less crippled core.

Should they finally play a healthy season, I'm easily placing this roster to the 2nd place in this conference behind Avs.


Pavelski, Hintz and Robertson are at those positions because I used DailyFaceoff lines

As for Faksa, he may have just had a bad season last year or it could be a model issue but he was the worst analytical player in hockey. I don’t think that happens without doing something wrong. He could bounce back though.
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Pavelski, Hintz and Robertson are at those positions because I used DailyFaceoff lines

As for Faksa, he may have just had a bad season last year or it could be a model issue but he was the worst analytical player in hockey. I don’t think that happens without doing something wrong. He could bounce back though.


I won't deny that Faksa has played better seasons, but honestly there's two reasons for his fall down the cliff and those can be found on his right and left wing.
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As A habs fan mentioned, daily face off lines
I think Winnipeg could but my big problem with them is Comrie. I think not having a backup will take a toll on Hellebuyck by the time the season ends and goaltending could cost them games


I agree that backup goalie could be a problem. It's unfortunate that they are so close to the cap, because a deal for Khudobin for example would be perfect for them. There just isn't any cap room right now...
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As for Faksa, he may have just had a bad season last year or it could be a model issue but he was the worst analytical player in hockey. I don’t think that happens without doing something wrong.


He played with two ECHL players and played the whole year with a broken hand, he didn’t have the best circumstances.
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I won't deny that Faksa has played better seasons, but honestly there's two reasons for his fall down the cliff and those can be found on his right and left wing.


Aka Bozo 1 and Bozo 2.
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