You're having difficulty seeing the forest through the trees. 41 points...PER SEASON is the difference. There are no metrics in the world (no matter how hard you skew them) that can say you won't pay an extra $750k for an extra 41 points per season.

You are extrapolating. It's not what I said.

Obviously, an offer sheet needs to be accepted by the player, or else it's not.

The thing about lying on the internet is that literally everyone can fact-check you. Over the past 3 years Carolina scored the 11th most goals in the NHL - tied with the Edmonton Oilers - and yet you seem to think they're a low-scoring team? Sure, bud.

And if you looked at the numbers you'd see that Svechnikov has one of the lowest IPP's on the team over the past 3 years, 16th of 22 forwards at 5v5, so he's certainly not driving the play like you seem to think. Another thing you could look at is the disproportionate number of 2nd assists he gets.

Maybe it's the Boston Bruins philosophy, take less money but aim for a win.

Don't bother. The Hurricanes and the Oilers have scored the exact same number of goals over the past 3 seasons. He doesn't know ****.

There are plenty. I can think of scenarios where 150 point differences are justified. I have no idea how you came to this conclusion.

Luckily those things are accounted for in the model I report results from. Luckily coaching effects, usage, scoring in both directions is included.

Regardless I can just change my phrasing. My point wasn't the actual goal totals, it was the pace that they played at. Edmonton let a much higher goal total back the other direction. Compare this to total shots as well and you'll see who's lucking out and who's performing more consistently.

So now you're deflecting!

Your whole point was that Carolina is a low-scoring team and Svechnikov's point totals are actually awesome because of that - but you're dead wrong, they AREN'T a low-scoring team, they are in fact well above average for scoring.

Lmao this guy. At this point i don’t even know what he’s arguing. He’s basically going “no your statistics don’t mean anything but mine do because they support my claim”

Tell me buddy. How does one score 150 more points than another guy but isn’t as good as them because of their “playing scenarios”. I’m pretty sure you can’t find me an actual realistic scenario that you’d choose a guy who scored 150 less points than anothe guy. Even McDavid can’t get his line mates to score 150 more points than another guys…. Himself can’t even score that many

Clearly it was a joke…

Lmao that isn't a real thing. It's a pr spin.
Besides, the few instances we have where it was confirmed to have happened tend to backfire on the player. Connor McDavid for example took less and look how that's worked out.

Yeah but I'm backing away from that. They're a decent scoring team, for sure. 11th is above average. But they're also deeper than most teams. You can check scoring share of Svech and Aho compared to McD and Draisaitl.

I personally don't care much about point totals, because they're usually more a reflection of teammates and situation rather than individual player skill. I was trying to appeal to things you cared about. Regardless of that, in terms of isolated scoring impacts, and especially offensively, Svech blows everyone else on the Canes out of the water. I brought receipts.

I don't know if you think this was some "gotcha", but I'm an adult, I can admit I made a poor point while I believe my overall one stands.

Marner had 98 points the year he signed his deal

Svechnikov only had 50 points this season so of course he was gonna make less lul

Considering Rantanan and Kucherov made betwen 9.25 and 9.5 the year marner signed if we wanted the ideal contract for Marner he would make between 9.25-9.5mill which still was more than what Svechnikov signed for

So next time I suggest you do your research

Yeah. Say one guy scores 150 but his opponents score 200. While another scores 41 and his opponents 3.

In a moore realistic scenario where a player is fed offensive zone starts and powerplay time while playing with good teammates 150 could even be obtained by an offensively negatively contributing player. Patrick Kane comes to mind - he's scoring below expectations, constantly getting fed the softest minutes, but people still think he's good because number big.

What you wana do in your head is put these players against each other. The guy scoring 150 probably doesn't do that versus the guy who lets in 3 while on the ice. The guy scoring 41 probably doesn't do that vs the guy letting in 200.

People trying to start drama as somehow even if it has no relation we got to make it about the leafs lul especially if it involves Marner

Just ignore em and move on

Marner played next to an insane Tavares that season.

Rantanen is good, but MacKinnon is something else.

Kucherov is playing on the most stacked team in the cap era.

You're proving in real time why point totals are terrible metrics for evaluating player skill.

Offersheets seem to be extinct which makes the league boring. Like lets be real by 2025 were probs maybe gonna see 1 if were lucky

Reason number one why your argument here doesn’t support your argument from earlier: svechnikov isn’t a defence god my any means and isn’t a shutdown player. Are you talking about 1 season or 3? No players score 150 in a season and if you’re talking about multiple seasons, 150 is a lot more than 3

Svechnikov was playing with Aho lul so not much of a difference there. And point totals among metrics are what get the players paid. Marner was 2 points shy of 100 so he was in for a payday. On top of that his stats were incredible that year. With his comparable's being Rantanan and Kucherov, Marner was not making any less than 9mill. Sure he plays with good center but no matter who he played with his numbers would still be good.

Also the flat cap probs heavily influenced this contract as we have no idea when the salary cap will increase. If the cap was going up probs would have seen Svech make 9mill

Imagine voting no

Awesome deal for the Hurricanes, personally I think this Svechnikov got screwed over. In a few years, this deal will look like an absolute steal.

Svechnikov should fire his agent

I mean he could tell his agent that he wants more before he signed the deal 🤷‍♂️

Lol people say he should fire his agent. Maybe, just maybe Svech realizes it takes a team to win a cup. This isn't the NBA where 2-3 guys can take you to a championship.