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Créé par: csick
Équipe: 2021-22 Lightning de Tampa Bay
Date de création initiale: 24 août 2021
Publié: 24 août 2021
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24 août 2021 à 17 h 2
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Since when is a third liner worth a first? Seattle takes that and runs
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Since when is a third liner worth a first? Seattle takes that and runs


There’s no cap space to add anything else. And Appleton can play anywhere in the lineup.
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24 août 2021 à 17 h 36
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Since when is a third liner worth a first? Seattle takes that and runs



Since Tampa traded for Goodrow he’s a third liner, Coleman is a middle 6…. They also traded a first for Savard, he is a defence man but still.
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24 août 2021 à 17 h 37
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Since Tampa traded for Goodrow he’s a third liner, Coleman is a middle 6…. They also traded a first for Savard, he is a defence man but still.


And look, they all left. They got cups yes but still Appleton isn’t as good as any of those players…
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24 août 2021 à 17 h 41
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And look, they all left. They got cups yes but still Appleton isn’t as good as any of those players…


Right now, no. But when Tampa traded the firsts, yes he would be. Goodrow was nothing more than a fourth liner, and Coleman was nothing more than a third liner.
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Right now, no. But when Tampa traded the firsts, yes he would be. Goodrow was nothing more than a fourth liner, and Coleman was nothing more than a third liner.


I’m not saying their moves were smart and it’s best not to keep repeating past mistakes. Tampa should keep their picks or else they will have nothing left when they aren’t contending
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24 août 2021 à 17 h 51
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I’m not saying their moves were smart and it’s best not to keep repeating past mistakes. Tampa should keep their picks or else they will have nothing left when they aren’t contending


Past mistakes? They won back to back cups with the best third line in hockey and all it cost them was 2 firsts and a prospect. You pay that any day of the week.

That being said, I think this is the year Tampa should really lean on the kids and see what they're worth.
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24 août 2021 à 17 h 52
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Past mistakes? They won back to back cups with the best third line in hockey and all it cost them was 2 firsts and a prospect. You pay that any day of the week.

That being said, I think this is the year Tampa should really lean on the kids and see what their worth.


Yeah that other person is delusional calling spending multiple firsts for 2 cups a waste. Anyone takes that everyday of the week.
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24 août 2021 à 18 h 29
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Yeah that other person is delusional calling spending multiple firsts for 2 cups a waste. Anyone takes that everyday of the week.


Right because a third line is the ONLY reason for those two cups. My bad guys. 2 firsts and a prospect should be able to get a lot more than a third line back….
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24 août 2021 à 18 h 31
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I’m not saying their moves were smart and it’s best not to keep repeating past mistakes. Tampa should keep their picks or else they will have nothing left when they aren’t contending


I agree, but I can see a team like Tampa trade more picks this year. You shouldn’t repeat past mistakes, but I don’t know if it was a mistake. I mean, it got them 2 cups in the end…. But maybe it could’ve turned into a good prospect. Who knows. I actually like what Tampa is doing. Trading their older guys when they need cap, and bringing young guys in.
24 août 2021 à 18 h 34
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Yeah that other person is delusional calling spending multiple firsts for 2 cups a waste. Anyone takes that everyday of the week.


You call him delusional, but yet, you liked two of his comments. So… apparently you agree with him a bit.
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You call him delusional, but yet, you liked two of his comments. So… apparently you agree with him a bit.


Last time I checked, you can agree with some things and disagree on something else. I agree a 1st for Appleton is too much, but to say those 1sts are better than 2 cups is a ridiculous statement imo.
24 août 2021 à 18 h 54
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Right because a third line is the ONLY reason for those two cups. My bad guys. 2 firsts and a prospect should be able to get a lot more than a third line back….


Never did I say that. But to deny the importance of the third line that pretty much was line 2B is a little concerning. Without those guys I don’t think they win either cups.
24 août 2021 à 18 h 55
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Last time I checked, you can agree with some things and disagree on something else. I agree a 1st for Appleton is too much, but to say those 1sts are better than 2 cups is a ridiculous statement imo.


I understand, and agree, but you can’t call someone delusional if you partly agree hahah. That makes no sense! If he is delusional, then you shouldn’t agree at all. And who knows… they could’ve turned into good prospects in the future, but I do think it’s a win. With that being said, I think he is partly right in my opinion.
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Quoting: Nhl_oilers
Since Tampa traded for Goodrow he’s a third liner, Coleman is a middle 6…. They also traded a first for Savard, he is a defence man but still.


The difference is both Goodrow and Coleman had an additional year which JBB said was critical in him making the trades Appleton doesn't
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Right because a third line is the ONLY reason for those two cups. My bad guys. 2 firsts and a prospect should be able to get a lot more than a third line back….


It would have been a 2nd line of most teams. Not to mention the massive impact those two players had on the PK.
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It would have been a 2nd line of most teams. Not to mention the massive impact those two players had on the PK.


I’m not denying their importance but it does seem like a lot to give away for depth. You could get a lot better players for two firsts and a prospect. Did it matter in the end? Not really cause they won a cup, but they still could’ve done it for less and filled their prospect pool with talent as well
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The difference is both Goodrow and Coleman had an additional year which JBB said was critical in him making the trades Appleton doesn't


True, but Appleton is an RFA. He may want big money, which yes, could be the difference maker.
24 août 2021 à 20 h 4
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I’m not denying their importance but it does seem like a lot to give away for depth. You could get a lot better players for two firsts and a prospect. Did it matter in the end? Not really cause they won a cup, but they still could’ve done it for less and filled their prospect pool with talent as well


I dunno Nick Foligno went for a first and he was a true rental. Those two for two seasons. Plus paying dealline prices.

Fact of the matter is they won so JBB was proven right he paid 2 late firsts and got exactly what he needed.. Especially after the sweep to Colombus the year before.
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I’m not denying their importance but it does seem like a lot to give away for depth. You could get a lot better players for two firsts and a prospect. Did it matter in the end? Not really cause they won a cup, but they still could’ve done it for less and filled their prospect pool with talent as well


No, they couldn't have done it for less. Tampa was bidding against at least both Boston and Colorado(and possibly another team) to acquire Coleman. Boston and possobly one other team were also in on Goodrow as well. Brisebois and his team had spent quite awhile figuring out what the team needed to give them the beat chance, and was willing to pay the price to do so to get the players they wanted while also keeping them off other top level contenders. Those picks would've been late 1sts that maybe would've been helpful to the team 3 years after being drafted. Nolan Foote, while a good prospect, also likely would've had no impact on the team until the upcoming season in a best case scenario. Brisebois knew Tampa was in its prime window and went for it. Getting 2 impactful players that greatly helped the team(and had an extra year so 2 cup.runs instead of a usual rental) was also key, and this was another reason several teams were ik n on each player.

The Savard trade this past deadline was not the norm, but Tampa had a positional need and a deal was there. Appleton does not really provide what Tampa will likely need at the tdl, and is not worth a 1st most likely to Tampa. If Tampa is looking to add at the deadline this season, it's likely for an RD(again) or a top 6 winger that will be cheaper than Palat(if it looks like there's little chance of re-signing him). The only player from Seattle that may fit this role would be Jarnkrok, who could be a target for Tampa in this scenario. I think Tampa will likely keep their 1st though and see what they have between Barre-Boulet, Raddysh, and Katchouk in a full season, but Brisebois will no doubt consider his options. He has shown that if a deal is there to be made that improves the team's chances at a Cup, then he will pursue it.
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