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Would This Get Christian Dvorak update-- the answer is yes

Créé par: Masonh618
Équipe: 2022-23 Rangers de New York
Date de création initiale: 24 août 2021
Publié: 24 août 2021
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
1st and B-grade prospect, but with Georgiev added in since New York cannot afford him with Dvorak.
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  1. Choix de 3e ronde en 2023 (STL)
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  1. Blais, Samuel [Droits de RFA]
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  1. Georgiev, Alexandar [Droits de RFA]
  2. Robertson, Matthew
  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (NYR)
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925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
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24 août 2021 à 17 h 40
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Quoting: mhroblak
Watching Alex Nedeljkovic, who was even better than Shesterkin as rookies, go for only a 3rd does not give me that confidence. I do agree when Georgiev is healthy he is a fringe starting goalie, but that's not worth a 1st anymore after this offseason.


The nedeljkovic situation seemed really anomalous... a weird panic meltdown from a notoriously bad general manager... making a truly hideous decision

They still have 5M$ cap space after Svech 😑

Anynow I digress a bit
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24 août 2021 à 23 h 4
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Does Dvorak and his career high of 38 points + zero selke votes really warrant that type of return ultimatey? Yeah good contract. But idk 😕


It did in the last thread I was in pertaining to him on the Rangers — More than this, in fact. I don’t know what to think anymore lol
25 août 2021 à 4 h 14
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Quoting: mhroblak
Watching Alex Nedeljkovic, who was even better than Shesterkin as rookies, go for only a 3rd does not give me that confidence. I do agree when Georgiev is healthy he is a fringe starting goalie, but that's not worth a 1st anymore after this offseason.


well it was a 3rd and bernier, but ik what u mean. nedeljkovic was worth a whole lot more than a 3rd, even with bernier, but the canes did not have faith in him for some reason. i think that says more about the canes as an organization than it does about nedeljkovic.
25 août 2021 à 4 h 22
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The last trade I saw from an impartial user was Jones and two 2nds and that was only considered a slight overpay by New York. Now I'm not positive whether two 2nds will be more valuable than New York's 2023 1st, but I'm expecting that 1st round draft pick to be in the 20's by then, and using this Draft Chart 590>480. So with the idea in mind of the previous template trade being a "slight overpay" I lowered the draft value and gave Arizona the next best prospect (or 2nd to next best depending where you rank Kravtsov).

Obviously, this whole thread has been a completely different story compared to the other one in regards to Dvorak's legitimate value, but in my eyes, there's still no reason not to expect New York to pay this price for center 1B.

Now going back to Blais, if you looked at the depth chart with Dvorak I ran out of money to extend him (**** you Ryan Reaves). That's the only reason why I put him in a trade on this ACGM.


oh yeah true. Honestly I don't see the rangers trading for Dvorak, personally I don't think they really need him if Barron and/or Chytil turn out as good as expected, but we'll see.
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25 août 2021 à 10 h 12
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Quoting: Radu47
The nedeljkovic situation seemed really anomalous... a weird panic meltdown from a notoriously bad general manager... making a truly hideous decision

They still have 5M$ cap space after Svech 😑

Anynow I digress a bit


Quoting: tea
well it was a 3rd and bernier, but ik what u mean. nedeljkovic was worth a whole lot more than a 3rd, even with bernier, but the canes did not have faith in him for some reason. i think that says more about the canes as an organization than it does about nedeljkovic.


Valid point. I’d be dumb to deny that it was an awful trade for Carolina lol. I just think that trade set the market pretty low. Perhaps Adin Hill for a 2nd and Josef Korenar is a better example?
25 août 2021 à 10 h 30
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Valid point. I’d be dumb to deny that it was an awful trade for Carolina lol. I just think that trade set the market pretty low. Perhaps Adin Hill for a 2nd and Josef Korenar is a better example?


yeah i get what u mean, he probably isnt worth a 1st, but i mean it all depends what happens next year.
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25 août 2021 à 11 h 8
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Quoting: Devil1122
Completely agree

He's been getting way overvalued because of his contract and position.


He’s legit been a 3C maybe he can develop into a 2C so maybe I’d do Jones and Georgiev and a lower pick maybe
25 août 2021 à 11 h 46
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He’s legit been a 3C maybe he can develop into a 2C so maybe I’d do Jones and Georgiev and a lower pick maybe


Jones???
25 août 2021 à 12 h 37
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Jones???


Yea, because we have too many players like Jones on our roster and I’d rather keep Robertson for 1-2 years later.
25 août 2021 à 12 h 44
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The nedeljkovic situation seemed really anomalous... a weird panic meltdown from a notoriously bad general manager... making a truly hideous decision

They still have 5M$ cap space after Svech 😑

Anynow I digress a bit


Quoting: tea
well it was a 3rd and bernier, but ik what u mean. nedeljkovic was worth a whole lot more than a 3rd, even with bernier, but the canes did not have faith in him for some reason. i think that says more about the canes as an organization than it does about nedeljkovic.


While I didn’t agree at the time and still don’t, I also don’t think it was a simple and straight forward of a situation as it’s alluded to in these forums. Paying a goalie or spending to the cap wasn’t the issue. At the core, this front office never trusted Ned and historically haven’t treated him great (didn’t get a shot in the past, was waived, etc).

Ned wasn’t willing to sign the deal he got in DET in CAR even if they offered it to him so it’s likely he would go to arb and get a higher AAV which the Canes didn’t want to be stuck with. They also think he’ll regress back to his mean across his career which historically isn’t great or consistent. They think the team in front of him and a hot run contributed to his play which isn’t entirely unrealistic (but I still think he’ll be a capable starter in the league).

Ned is absolutely worth more than they got for him and I think they really undervalued him. Instead of shopping him around and potentially getting closer to arb they jumped at the first lowball offer that came their way. I just think there’s a lot of layers to this situation and while the return wasn’t great I doubt the Canes are getting back a first or high end pieces for Ned either.
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25 août 2021 à 13 h 23
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Quoting: Nikolay_Zherdev
Yea, because we have too many players like Jones on our roster and I’d rather keep Robertson for 1-2 years later.


Wtf? You know that Jones plays the style of Adam Fox right? We don’t have any other defencemen who use hockey IQ as such an asset. And on top of that, we have a surplus of belligerent defencemen in Robertson, Schneider, Lindgren, and Trouba.

Furthermore, you’re massively underrating the value of Jones. I would even rank him 2nd in our entire prospect pool (yes, ahead of Vitali Kravtsov and Braden Schneider) and Scott Wheeler said the same thing in his recent prospect rankings.
25 août 2021 à 13 h 39
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Wtf? You know that Jones plays the style of Adam Fox right? We don’t have any other defencemen who use hockey IQ as such an asset. And on top of that, we have a surplus of belligerent defencemen in Robertson, Schneider, Lindgren, and Trouba.

Furthermore, you’re massively underrating the value of Jones. I would even rank him 2nd in our entire prospect pool (yes, ahead of Vitali Kravtsov and Braden Schneider) and Scott Wheeler said the same thing in his recent prospect rankings.


Ok let’s first get this straight he’s a great prospect and I put him right up there with us, but just Bc one guys says an order doesn’t mean that’s how it works. The a good defense is a balanced one. Offensive minded smart players and defensive players. (Trouba might not be here much longer which is why Schneider is crucial.) offensive players include fox, nils (maybe consider him a 2 way), Keandre ( a 2 way player), Jones, ( troubas just a wierd case of I guess more defensively these days). Lindgren, Nemeth are the two defensivedefensemen. Schneider mad Robertson are both great two way players these days and even if you want to just say Schneider strictly is defensive guy, we still have an abundance. My point isn’t whether I don’t value Jones it’s just that we don’t have room for him. So yea if we can trade him in a package for turcotte 1000% I would I just don’t see it and if teams are hiking up the price of Dvorak and drury sees him as a 2C then I wouldn’t be shocked if Jones and Georgiev in a package deal for him and something else is a deal.
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25 août 2021 à 16 h 37
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Ok let’s first get this straight he’s a great prospect and I put him right up there with us, but just Bc one guys says an order doesn’t mean that’s how it works. The a good defense is a balanced one. Offensive minded smart players and defensive players. (Trouba might not be here much longer which is why Schneider is crucial.) offensive players include fox, nils (maybe consider him a 2 way), Keandre ( a 2 way player), Jones, ( troubas just a wierd case of I guess more defensively these days). Lindgren, Nemeth are the two defensivedefensemen. Schneider mad Robertson are both great two way players these days and even if you want to just say Schneider strictly is defensive guy, we still have an abundance. My point isn’t whether I don’t value Jones it’s just that we don’t have room for him. So yea if we can trade him in a package for turcotte 1000% I would I just don’t see it and if teams are hiking up the price of Dvorak and drury sees him as a 2C then I wouldn’t be shocked if Jones and Georgiev in a package deal for him and something else is a deal.


Yes, you’re 100% right about the composition of a good defence. But unless someone like Lundkvist proves otherwise, we really don’t have an abundance of Zac Jones’s. K’Andre Miller plays a completely different style of hockey by throwing his body up against everyone to make plays on the puck. Jones on the other hand is like Fox who you almost never see get hit because of how much hockey sense they have. Schneider and Robertson are much closer to Jacob Trouba than Adam Fox in meaning that their defence is the primary asset but are often more than just shutdown defencemen. I don’t see the need for them as much as Jones when Trouba and Nemeth are signed for at least two more seasons in New York. In addition, Jones can play the LD which I forgot to say earlier.

I’m just really surprised that you would trade Zac Jones with Georgiev for Dvorak, but not Matthew Robertson. Even if it were true that there isn’t as much fit for Jones, you’re paying the Coyotes a lot more than you would be if the prospect was Robertson, that’s all.
26 août 2021 à 4 h 27
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Quoting: mhroblak
Fr? That's not the impression I've been given lately.


It's a great package. A first round pick, solid young goalie and a projectable NHL defense prospect is a great return for a guy who's a below average 2C in the NHL.
 
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