Yup. Coyotes take it and don't look back

Fr? That's not the impression I've been given lately.

i mean yeah, but dude, why would you give that up lol

It's a 1st, a 1st round grade prospect (EDIT, now it's a 2nd round grade prospect), and a goalie that the Rangers can't afford. Is that... not what his price is anymore?

Coyotes are asking for a 1st and a “good prospect”. I personally think Dvorak is overrated on this website and I wouldn’t give more than a 2nd and a B prospect but I’m sure others would give more. His most compelling component is he’s signed to a pretty good longer term deal and he can play up and down the lineup. I’m just not sure he’s a legitimate 2C on a contending team.

They definitely take that

Maybe add Lafreinere and Kaako to the trade too

Completely agree

He's been getting way overvalued because of his contract and position.

first of all, the rangers dont trade either georgiev or schneider. schneider is an excellent defensive prospect, and shesty and georgiev is potentially one of the best tandems in the league. the pens arent losing desmith either so i dont see how this happens.

also whats with the blais trade?

There's no way he doesn't bring back a 1st with the contract he has, and I really can't see how he wouldn't be a suitable 2C on a contending team either. He is an upgrade over Ryan Strome.
Perhaps a 1st and a B prospect is fair value, then adding Georgiev would be the kicker to win the sweepstakes. Using Schneider as the "good prospect" really just made things more convenient for lineup purposes on my end, but I guess maybe it would still work with someone like Matthew Robertson.

hes still developing you know. its way too early to make a call like that

I’m sure a team will meet the asking price, I’m coming from my perspective - which is I think he’s a solid player but would need strong line mates to bring out the best in him, rather than he can bring out the best in teammates. I guess on a contender he’d likely have good line mates so maybe my first point about him as a 2C on a contending team isn’t the best one lol

I would hope Panarin counts as a strong line mate. Hah

He’s played 4 seasons and is probably nearing his “peak” in terms of age. Don’t think he’s going to take another huge leap. He’ll probably improve marginally over the next two years and then plateau unless he’s a freak who defies the age curve

theyre asking for a 1st for georgiev, theyre not gonna have him be a sweetener in a trade for a potential 2c.

well tbf he has been playing for the coyotes

Yeah it’s certainly a fair point. I just think this asking price is a bit high for what I think he’ll end up being

This is 2022-23, when those moves actually need to be made. All of the players I traded will stay in 2021-22 lol.

I really just picked DeSmith as a random backup goalie since there's no cap space for Georgiev (and Blais, hence that trade too) with a new 2C. Not sure why he's already considered a long-term piece for Pittsburgh but if he is then okay. Swap him with a David Rittich or something. And you're right that Schneider is an excellent piece but why would he be an untouchable player in a trade?

That was before this offseason happened. There is no way possible that a 1st is still his price tag. And it surely won't be that in 2022-23 when he's priced out.

oh yeah definitely. they dont give up a 1st round pick and a good prospect for him.

he's not untouchable, but they dont trade him for dvorak. espeically along with a 1st lmao.

i dunno why you think they cant afford to keep blais. just have barron be the 3c, goodrow be the 4c and have blais as the left wing on the 4th line. i mean itd be a bit more expensive but def worth it.

if he stays with the rangers, and can stay healthy, he'll def be worth more than u think. he's also only 25 and still hasn't played 100 nhl games, so i dont really get why hes so underrated. hes not shesterkin, but when hes healthy he can be a pretty good starting goalie.

The last trade I saw from an impartial user was Jones and two 2nds and that was only considered a slight overpay by New York. Now I'm not positive whether two 2nds will be more valuable than New York's 2023 1st, but I'm expecting that 1st round draft pick to be in the 20's by then, and using this Draft Chart 590>480. So with the idea in mind of the previous template trade being a "slight overpay" I lowered the draft value and gave Arizona the next best prospect (or 2nd to next best depending where you rank Kravtsov).

Obviously, this whole thread has been a completely different story compared to the other one in regards to Dvorak's legitimate value, but in my eyes, there's still no reason not to expect New York to pay this price for center 1B.

Now going back to Blais, if you looked at the depth chart with Dvorak I ran out of money to extend him (**** you Ryan Reaves). That's the only reason why I put him in a trade on this ACGM.

Watching Alex Nedeljkovic, who was even better than Shesterkin as rookies, go for only a 3rd does not give me that confidence. I do agree when Georgiev is healthy he is a fringe starting goalie, but that's not worth a 1st anymore after this offseason.

Yotes take that and run. So umm yeah, it would.

Does Dvorak and his career high of 38 points + zero selke votes really warrant that type of return ultimatey? Yeah good contract. But idk 😕