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Would This Get Christian Dvorak update-- the answer is yes

Créé par: mhroblak
Date de création initiale: 24 août 2021
Publié: 24 août 2021
Équipe: 2022-23 Rangers de New York
Explications
1st and B-grade prospect, but with Georgiev added in since New York cannot afford him with Dvorak.
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
Kakko, Kaapo33 000 000 $
Fox, Adam89 000 000 $
Kravtsov, Vitali21 800 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
Zibanejad, Mika68 750 000 $
DeSmith, Casey21 250 000 $
Rooney, Kevin1925 000 $
Transactions
1.
NYR
  1. 2023 3e round pick (STL)
STL
  1. Blais, Samuel [Droits de RFA]
Détails additionnels:
Anywhere
2.
NYR
  1. Dvorak, Christian
ARI
  1. Georgiev, Alexandar [Droits de RFA]
  2. Robertson, Matthew
  3. 2023 1e round pick (NYR)
Rachats de contrats
  • Kevin Shattenkirk: 1 433 333 $
  • Dan Girardi: 1 111 111 $
  • Anthony Deangelo: 883 334 $
  • Brad Richards: 0 $
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
2022
NYR
NYR
STL
NYR
WPG
NYR
NYR
2023
NYR
NYR
STL
NYR
NYR
NYR
NYR
2024
NYR
NYR
NYR
NYR
NYR
NYR
NYR
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2282 500 000 $83 153 969 $0 $5 350 000 $-653 969 $

Formation

Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
NYR
Lafrenière, Alexis
925 000 $
AG
RFA - 1
NYR
Zibanejad, Mika
8 750 000 $
C
NMC
UFA - 8
NYR
Kakko, Kaapo
3 000 000 $
AD
RFA
NYR
Panarin, Artemi
11 642 857 $
AG
NMC
UFA - 4
ARI
Dvorak, Christian
4 450 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 3
NYR
Chytil, Filip
2 300 000 $
C, AG
RFA - 1
NYR
Kreider, Chris
6 500 000 $
AG
NMC
UFA - 5
NYR
Goodrow, Barclay
3 641 667 $
AG, C, AD
NTC
UFA - 5
NYR
Kravtsov, Vitali
1 800 000 $
AD
RFA
NYR
Barron, Morgan
925 000 $
C
RFA - 1
NYR
Rooney, Kevin
925 000 $
AG, C, AD
UFA
NYR
Reaves, Ryan
1 750 000 $
AD
UFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
NYR
Lindgren, Ryan
3 000 000 $
DG
RFA - 2
NYR
Fox, Adam
9 000 000 $
DD
UFA - 7
NYR
Shesterkin, Igor
5 666 667 $
G
UFA - 3
NYR
Miller, K'Andre
925 000 $
DG
RFA - 1
NYR
Trouba, Jacob
8 000 000 $
DD
NMC
UFA - 4
DeSmith, Casey
1 250 000 $
G
UFA
NYR
Jones, Zachary
925 000 $
DG
RFA - 1
NYR
Lundkvist, Nils
925 000 $
DD
RFA - 2
NYR
Schneider, Braden
925 000 $
DD
RFA - 2
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
NYR
Nemeth, Patrik
2 500 000 $
DG
NTC
UFA - 2

Unités spéciales

Avantage numérique 1
Panarin, A.
Zibanejad, M.
Kreider, C.
Lafrenière, A.
Fox, A.
Avantage numérique 2
Dvorak, C.
Chytil, F.
Kakko, K.
Jones, Z.
Lundkvist, N.
Infériorité numérique 1
Zibanejad, M.
Goodrow, B.
Lindgren, R.
Fox, A.
Infériorité numérique 2
Kakko, K.
Rooney, K.
Miller, K.
Trouba, J.

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24 août à 16 h 0
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Yup. Coyotes take it and don't look back
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24 août à 16 h 2
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Quoting: krakowitz
Yup. Coyotes take it and don't look back


Fr? That's not the impression I've been given lately.
24 août à 16 h 2
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i mean yeah, but dude, why would you give that up lol
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24 août à 16 h 3
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Quoting: NoWah49
i mean yeah, but dude, why would you give that up lol


It's a 1st, a 1st round grade prospect (EDIT, now it's a 2nd round grade prospect), and a goalie that the Rangers can't afford. Is that... not what his price is anymore?
24 août à 16 h 7
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Quoting: mhroblak
It's a 1st, a 1st round grade prospect, and a goalie that the Rangers can't afford. Is that... not what his price is anymore?


Quoting: mhroblak
Fr? That's not the impression I've been given lately.


Coyotes are asking for a 1st and a “good prospect”. I personally think Dvorak is overrated on this website and I wouldn’t give more than a 2nd and a B prospect but I’m sure others would give more. His most compelling component is he’s signed to a pretty good longer term deal and he can play up and down the lineup. I’m just not sure he’s a legitimate 2C on a contending team.
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24 août à 16 h 7
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They definitely take that

Maybe add Lafreinere and Kaako to the trade too
24 août à 16 h 9
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Quoting: vikhodush
Coyotes are asking for a 1st and a “good prospect”. I personally think Dvorak is overrated on this website and I wouldn’t give more than a 2nd and a B prospect but I’m sure others would give more. His most compelling component is he’s signed to a pretty good longer term deal and he can play up and down the lineup. I’m just not sure he’s a legitimate 2C on a contending team.


Completely agree

He's been getting way overvalued because of his contract and position.
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24 août à 16 h 11
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first of all, the rangers dont trade either georgiev or schneider. schneider is an excellent defensive prospect, and shesty and georgiev is potentially one of the best tandems in the league. the pens arent losing desmith either so i dont see how this happens.

also whats with the blais trade?
24 août à 16 h 12
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Quoting: vikhodush
Coyotes are asking for a 1st and a “good prospect”. I personally think Dvorak is overrated on this website and I wouldn’t give more than a 2nd and a B prospect but I’m sure others would give more. His most compelling component is he’s signed to a pretty good longer term deal and he can play up and down the lineup. I’m just not sure he’s a legitimate 2C on a contending team.


There's no way he doesn't bring back a 1st with the contract he has, and I really can't see how he wouldn't be a suitable 2C on a contending team either. He is an upgrade over Ryan Strome.
Perhaps a 1st and a B prospect is fair value, then adding Georgiev would be the kicker to win the sweepstakes. Using Schneider as the "good prospect" really just made things more convenient for lineup purposes on my end, but I guess maybe it would still work with someone like Matthew Robertson.
24 août à 16 h 13
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Quoting: vikhodush
Coyotes are asking for a 1st and a “good prospect”. I personally think Dvorak is overrated on this website and I wouldn’t give more than a 2nd and a B prospect but I’m sure others would give more. His most compelling component is he’s signed to a pretty good longer term deal and he can play up and down the lineup. I’m just not sure he’s a legitimate 2C on a contending team.


hes still developing you know. its way too early to make a call like that
24 août à 16 h 14
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Quoting: mhroblak
There's no way he doesn't bring back a 1st with the contract he has, and I really can't see how he wouldn't be a suitable 2C on a contending team either. He is an upgrade over Ryan Strome.
Perhaps a 1st and a B prospect is fair value, then adding Georgiev would be the kicker to win the sweepstakes. Using Schneider as the "good prospect" really just made things more convenient for lineup purposes on my end, but I guess maybe it would still work with someone like Matthew Robertson.


I’m sure a team will meet the asking price, I’m coming from my perspective - which is I think he’s a solid player but would need strong line mates to bring out the best in him, rather than he can bring out the best in teammates. I guess on a contender he’d likely have good line mates so maybe my first point about him as a 2C on a contending team isn’t the best one lol
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Quoting: vikhodush
I’m sure a team will meet the asking price, I’m coming from my perspective - which is I think he’s a solid player but would need strong line mates to bring out the best in him, rather than he can bring out the best in teammates. I guess on a contender he’d likely have good line mates so maybe my first point about him as a 2C on a contending team isn’t the best one lol


I would hope Panarin counts as a strong line mate. Hah
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24 août à 16 h 15
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Quoting: tea
hes still developing you know. its way too early to make a call like that


He’s played 4 seasons and is probably nearing his “peak” in terms of age. Don’t think he’s going to take another huge leap. He’ll probably improve marginally over the next two years and then plateau unless he’s a freak who defies the age curve
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Quoting: mhroblak
There's no way he doesn't bring back a 1st with the contract he has, and I really can't see how he wouldn't be a suitable 2C on a contending team either. He is an upgrade over Ryan Strome.
Perhaps a 1st and a B prospect is fair value, then adding Georgiev would be the kicker to win the sweepstakes. Using Schneider as the "good prospect" really just made things more convenient for lineup purposes on my end, but I guess maybe it would still work with someone like Matthew Robertson.


theyre asking for a 1st for georgiev, theyre not gonna have him be a sweetener in a trade for a potential 2c.
24 août à 16 h 16
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Quoting: vikhodush
He’s played 4 seasons and is probably nearing his “peak” in terms of age. Don’t think he’s going to take another huge leap. He’ll probably improve marginally over the next two years and then plateau unless he’s a freak who defies the age curve


well tbf he has been playing for the coyotes
24 août à 16 h 17
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Quoting: tea
well tbf he has been playing for the coyotes


Yeah it’s certainly a fair point. I just think this asking price is a bit high for what I think he’ll end up being
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24 août à 16 h 18
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Quoting: tea
first of all, the rangers dont trade either georgiev or schneider. schneider is an excellent defensive prospect, and shesty and georgiev is potentially one of the best tandems in the league. the pens arent losing desmith either so i dont see how this happens.

also whats with the blais trade?


This is 2022-23, when those moves actually need to be made. All of the players I traded will stay in 2021-22 lol.

I really just picked DeSmith as a random backup goalie since there's no cap space for Georgiev (and Blais, hence that trade too) with a new 2C. Not sure why he's already considered a long-term piece for Pittsburgh but if he is then okay. Swap him with a David Rittich or something. And you're right that Schneider is an excellent piece but why would he be an untouchable player in a trade?
24 août à 16 h 20
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theyre asking for a 1st for georgiev, theyre not gonna have him be a sweetener in a trade for a potential 2c.


That was before this offseason happened. There is no way possible that a 1st is still his price tag. And it surely won't be that in 2022-23 when he's priced out.
24 août à 16 h 21
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Quoting: vikhodush
Yeah it’s certainly a fair point. I just think this asking price is a bit high for what I think he’ll end up being


oh yeah definitely. they dont give up a 1st round pick and a good prospect for him.
24 août à 16 h 27
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Quoting: mhroblak
This is 2022-23, when those moves actually need to be made. All of the players I traded will stay in 2021-22 lol.

I really just picked DeSmith as a random backup goalie since there's no cap space for Georgiev (and Blais, hence that trade too) with a new 2C. Not sure why he's already considered a long-term piece for Pittsburgh but if he is then okay. Swap him with a David Rittich or something. And you're right that Schneider is an excellent piece but why would he be an untouchable player in a trade?


he's not untouchable, but they dont trade him for dvorak. espeically along with a 1st lmao.

i dunno why you think they cant afford to keep blais. just have barron be the 3c, goodrow be the 4c and have blais as the left wing on the 4th line. i mean itd be a bit more expensive but def worth it.
24 août à 16 h 29
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Quoting: mhroblak
That was before this offseason happened. There is no way possible that a 1st is still his price tag. And it surely won't be that in 2022-23 when he's priced out.


if he stays with the rangers, and can stay healthy, he'll def be worth more than u think. he's also only 25 and still hasn't played 100 nhl games, so i dont really get why hes so underrated. hes not shesterkin, but when hes healthy he can be a pretty good starting goalie.
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24 août à 16 h 36
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Quoting: tea
he's not untouchable, but they dont trade him for dvorak. espeically along with a 1st lmao.

i dunno why you think they cant afford to keep blais. just have barron be the 3c, goodrow be the 4c and have blais as the left wing on the 4th line. i mean itd be a bit more expensive but def worth it.


The last trade I saw from an impartial user was Jones and two 2nds and that was only considered a slight overpay by New York. Now I'm not positive whether two 2nds will be more valuable than New York's 2023 1st, but I'm expecting that 1st round draft pick to be in the 20's by then, and using this Draft Chart 590>480. So with the idea in mind of the previous template trade being a "slight overpay" I lowered the draft value and gave Arizona the next best prospect (or 2nd to next best depending where you rank Kravtsov).

Obviously, this whole thread has been a completely different story compared to the other one in regards to Dvorak's legitimate value, but in my eyes, there's still no reason not to expect New York to pay this price for center 1B.

Now going back to Blais, if you looked at the depth chart with Dvorak I ran out of money to extend him (**** you Ryan Reaves). That's the only reason why I put him in a trade on this ACGM.
24 août à 16 h 38
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Quoting: tea
if he stays with the rangers, and can stay healthy, he'll def be worth more than u think. he's also only 25 and still hasn't played 100 nhl games, so i dont really get why hes so underrated. hes not shesterkin, but when hes healthy he can be a pretty good starting goalie.


Watching Alex Nedeljkovic, who was even better than Shesterkin as rookies, go for only a 3rd does not give me that confidence. I do agree when Georgiev is healthy he is a fringe starting goalie, but that's not worth a 1st anymore after this offseason.
24 août à 17 h 36
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Yotes take that and run. So umm yeah, it would.
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24 août à 17 h 36
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Does Dvorak and his career high of 38 points + zero selke votes really warrant that type of return ultimatey? Yeah good contract. But idk 😕
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