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Rielly Trade and Tarasenko

Créé par: TMLBRIAN
Équipe: 2021-22 Maple Leafs de Toronto
Date de création initiale: 23 août 2021
Publié: 23 août 2021
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Leafs trade Rielly to a team who extends him immediately. LA could be an option. Anyone have any other teams in mind, that this makes sense with?

Leafs get Tarasenko for the extra fire power. This is assumed they are happy with where he is medically.

Tierney for extra centre depth

Clifford for extra toughness

Chara because he has eaten the Leafs soul 4 billion times and I want him, even if he is 6th or 7th dman.

Losing Rielly on D would hurt a lot but this team is SCARY good.

Thoughts?
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TOR
  1. Grans, Helge
  2. Kempe, Adrian
  3. Määttä, Olli (1 000 000 $ retained)
  4. Choix de 1e ronde en 2022 (LAK)
  5. Choix de 2e ronde en 2023 (LAK)
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Rielly extends 8 years x 8M a year
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    23 août 2021 à 14 h 0
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    Kings are set this season at LD after signing Edler, also I'd have to assume Reilly is going to test the free agency after several offensive d-men got paid big time if the Leafs don't want to offer him a contract.
    23 août 2021 à 14 h 3
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    We don’t need Reilly so please stop with the Reilly trades. Kings can’t afford to pay Reilly 8 million dollars. If we need a defenseman we’ll trade for a rental. The off season will be stacked with defenseman
    23 août 2021 à 14 h 5
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    Quoting: tryger
    Kings are set this season at LD after signing Edler, also I'd have to assume Reilly is going to test the free agency after several offensive d-men got paid big time if the Leafs don't want to offer him a contract.


    I am looking at the Kings roster and I dont see any legit top pair left dman. So in this scenario they get one signed for 8m x 8 years. They lose Maata and upgrade by getting Rielly.

    As for free agency, he could for sure, that's the only reason why the Leafs trade him now. Rielly would potentially take 8x8 but who knows with all the massive contracts this year.
    23 août 2021 à 14 h 7
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    Quoting: Artman91
    We don’t need Reilly so please stop with the Reilly trades. Kings can’t afford to pay Reilly 8 million dollars. If we need a defenseman we’ll trade for a rental. The off season will be stacked with defenseman


    They have a ton of cap space next year. They could EASILY make Rielly work at 8 million. I don't see a top pair left side dman on LA, that's why I chose them. Am I missing something?
    23 août 2021 à 14 h 8
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    undervaluing rielly and overvaluing tarasenko
    23 août 2021 à 14 h 9
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    Quoting: TMLBRIAN
    They have a ton of cap space next year. They could EASILY make Rielly work at 8 million. I don't see a top pair left side dman on LA, that's why I chose them. Am I missing something?


    They’re going guys coming off ELCs will be due substantial raises in the coming years and handing a big contract to a guy who likely won’t be worth the money he’s making in the third year isn’t smart for a team who is just getting out of a rebuild.
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    23 août 2021 à 14 h 10
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    Quoting: OnFoenem34
    undervaluing rielly and overvaluing tarasenko


    What do you think rielly is worth? Generally a first and a good prospect or good young NHL player should be plenty for a year of his services.
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    23 août 2021 à 14 h 11
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    Quoting: TMLBRIAN
    They have a ton of cap space next year. They could EASILY make Rielly work at 8 million. I don't see a top pair left side dman on LA, that's why I chose them. Am I missing something?


    They have a lot of cap space next season but also in the next 2-3 seasons they’ll have to extend a lot of players who will get huge pay increase.
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    23 août 2021 à 14 h 12
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    Quoting: TMLBRIAN
    I am looking at the Kings roster and I dont see any legit top pair left dman. So in this scenario they get one signed for 8m x 8 years. They lose Maata and upgrade by getting Rielly.

    As for free agency, he could for sure, that's the only reason why the Leafs trade him now. Rielly would potentially take 8x8 but who knows with all the massive contracts this year.


    The Kings certainly could look at Reilly in the off-season but they have no reason to give up active NHLers and picks to fill that role if they aim to compete this year.

    The Kings have shut down defensemen in Anderson (who played top-line minutes as a rookie last season and Doughty loves apparently) and Bjornfot who we hope will complement a Doughty and Clarke for one-two punch for the future. The Kings are looking for a LD who is a 200-foot player who can allow Doughty to open up offensively and not make him solely responsible for the defense on the top pairing. Reilly is an offense-first defenseman who needs to be paired with a shut-down defenseman to really show his value. So even if the Kings get Reilly he wouldn't answer the problem of finding an elite player to play with Doughty.
    23 août 2021 à 14 h 13
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    Quoting: TMLBRIAN
    They have a ton of cap space next year. They could EASILY make Rielly work at 8 million. I don't see a top pair left side dman on LA, that's why I chose them. Am I missing something?


    But why do they need to overpay this season when they can try to get him in the free agency?
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    23 août 2021 à 14 h 15
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    Quoting: OnFoenem34
    undervaluing rielly and overvaluing tarasenko


    I wanted a good prospect to be added to this trade. I don't know enough about LA prospects next to their super super high ones. I picked Helge. Seems like a legit defensive prospect. Maata is a replacement player so not huge value. Kempe is a nice young, top 9 winger, who has team control. 1st + 2nd + A- prospect. Maybe the 2nd is a conditional 1st based on performance. I think value is fair.

    And yes I really like Tarasenko and the potential he could bring to this team. So I paid a lot.
    23 août 2021 à 14 h 16
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    Quoting: vikhodush
    They’re going guys coming off ELCs will be due substantial raises in the coming years and handing a big contract to a guy who likely won’t be worth the money he’s making in the third year isn’t smart for a team who is just getting out of a rebuild.


    Not seeing anyone who would get substancial raises. I looked at all their RFAS. Raises for sure but nothing crazy. But they also have Brown and Edler coming off the books also. 8m a year is something they could easily do.
    23 août 2021 à 14 h 18
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    But why do they need to overpay this season when they can try to get him in the free agency?


    Why did Chicago just do the exact same thing? I definitely see your point, but this is to ensure they get him. Plus with Rielly, LA starts looking dangerous for this upcoming season as well.
    23 août 2021 à 14 h 24
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    Why did Chicago just do the exact same thing? I definitely see your point, but this is to ensure they get him. Plus with Rielly, LA starts looking dangerous for this upcoming season as well.


    But like the Hawks, the Kings could try after the end of this season though, this trade loses Kempe who is slotted as a top-6 player this season, an unprotected first for a team that may not make the playoffs, a recent second rounder prospect, and another second-rounder. Even after these moves, the Kings are weaker offensively (forward corps) and have to healthy scratch one of Edler, Bjornfot, or Anderson (each who has proved they should be full time NHLers). And it is more likely Reilly plays with Roy, so you don't even accomplish getting the Kings the top pair LD they are looking for.
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    23 août 2021 à 14 h 33
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    That's an insane overpay for Tarasenko.. And really to base a trade on a player extending (especially from a contending team) rarely happens. Kings say no, and the Leafs say no the Blues trade.
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    23 août 2021 à 15 h 15
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    I wish people would stop with the "trade a rental to a team and assume he'll re-sign" posts. You can construct anything if you just wave the magic wand. For example, you could completely restructure the right side of the Toronto defense for next season by blithely assuming that Charlie McAvoy, Adam Fox and Noah Dobson would all sign offer sheets and their teams wouldn't match them. I personally don't think utter speculation makes for a very informed discussion because the foundation is intellectual quicksand.
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    23 août 2021 à 15 h 25
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    Quoting: TMLBRIAN
    Not seeing anyone who would get substancial raises. I looked at all their RFAS. Raises for sure but nothing crazy. But they also have Brown and Edler coming off the books also. 8m a year is something they could easily do.


    Sure any team could do something like that but it depends on how they want to structure their team. Giving rielly an 8x8 extension assuming that he’ll even agree to that before the trade isn’t smart. If you look at how other similar contracts aged it would put them in a bind a few years later when they’ll be needing valuable cap space to address other areas of their team. If you just want to get something back for Rielly I get it and sure any team can figure out a way to sign players to big deals by moving out other pieces. But is it something the Kings should or would do? Not likely.
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    23 août 2021 à 15 h 35
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    Anderson and Bjornfot are both long-term defensemen for the Kings. Edler has a full NMC, and the Kings have some young defensemen that they don't want to lose that are no longer waiver exempt (Clague, Strand, and Moverare). They're not going to bring in another defenseman this season.

    Even if they were, I wouldn't give up a 1st round pick or any of the Kings top prospects (Byfield, Vilardi, Turcotte, Clarke) for Rielly. You want to build a trade around a 2nd round pick and Kupari/Clague, maybe there's a deal to be done. If not, LA will just stick with what they have.
    23 août 2021 à 16 h 48
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    No thanks
    23 août 2021 à 21 h 31
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    Quoting: OldNYIfan
    I wish people would stop with the "trade a rental to a team and assume he'll re-sign" posts. You can construct anything if you just wave the magic wand. For example, you could completely restructure the right side of the Toronto defense for next season by blithely assuming that Charlie McAvoy, Adam Fox and Noah Dobson would all sign offer sheets and their teams wouldn't match them. I personally don't think utter speculation makes for a very informed discussion because the foundation is intellectual quicksand.


    Columbus and Chicago literally just did this exact thing with a high profile dman. Seth Jones has agreed to an extension with Chicago before the trade. That's the only reason why Chicago paid so damn much for him. Think Columbus would have gotten that return for an unextended Jones? Why not make a team doing the same thing? Doesn't mean it will happen. We are creating fake teams here.
     
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