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Blues Lineup Without Tarasenko

Créé par: Hockyluv21
Date de création initiale: aoû 18, 2021
Publié: 23 aoû à 11 h 23
Équipe: 2021-22 Blues de St-Louis
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
Thomas, Robert76 000 000 $
Transactions
STL
  1. Bokk, Dominik
  2. Cotton, David
  3. Keane, Joey
  4. 2022 3e round pick (CHI)
CAR
  1. Tarasenko, Vladimir (900 000 $ retained)
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
  • Vladimir Tarasenko: 900 000 $ (12%)
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
2022
STL
STL
CHI
STL
STL
STL
2023
STL
STL
STL
STL
STL
STL
STL
2024
STL
STL
STL
STL
STL
STL
STL
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2381 500 000 $80 340 932 $306 349 $850 000 $1 159 068 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
STL
Buchnevich, Pavel
5 800 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 4
STL
O'Reilly, Ryan
7 500 000 $
C
UFA - 2
STL
Perron, David
4 000 000 $
AD, AG
NTC
UFA - 1
STL
Saad, Brandon
4 500 000 $
AD, AG
NTC
UFA - 5
STL
Schenn, Brayden
6 500 000 $
C, AG
NTC
UFA - 7
STL
Thomas, Robert
6 000 000 $
C, AD
RFA - 2
STL
Sanford, Zachary
2 000 000 $
AG
UFA - 1
STL
Sundqvist, Oskar
2 750 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 2
STL
Kyrou, Jordan
2 800 000 $
AD
RFA - 2
STL
Clifford, Kyle
1 000 000 $
AG
UFA - 1
STL
Barbashev, Ivan
2 250 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 2
STL
Kostin, Klim
863 333 $
AD
RFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
STL
Krug, Torey
6 500 000 $
DG
NTC
UFA - 6
STL
Parayko, Colton
5 500 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
STL
Binnington, Jordan
6 000 000 $
G
NTC
UFA - 6
STL
Scandella, Marco
3 275 000 $
DG
NTC
UFA - 3
STL
Faulk, Justin
6 500 000 $
DG/DD
NTC
UFA - 6
STL
Husso, Ville
750 000 $
G
UFA - 1
STL
Mikkola, Niko
787 500 $
DG
RFA - 1
STL
Bortuzzo, Robert
1 375 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
CAR
Cotton, David
858 750 $
C
RFA - 1
STL
MacEachern, Mackenzie
900 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
STL
Walman, Jake
725 000 $
DG
RFA - 1

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23 aoû à 11 h 33
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Quoting: nathanallan
are you dumb in what world would the blues do that trade or sign thomas for that


Extending good young players for term and high AAV, at least to me, is almost always the smart move. You can then have young guys like Bokk seamlessly transition into the NHL as guys like Perron get their last big payday in UFA. It's a quick retool-on-the-fly strategy as some core players get a bit older.
23 aoû à 11 h 37
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Quoting: Hockyluv21
Extending good young players for term and high AAV, at least to me, is almost always the smart move.


I don't see a big issue with that Thomas deal, although I bet you could keep it at or below the JEE deal, 8 x 5.25.

I have given up on discussing a Tarasenko trade, no idea what a team will pay for him, probably nothing atm.
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23 aoû à 11 h 40
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Quoting: A_K
I don't see a big issue with that Thomas deal, although I bet you could keep it at or below the JEE deal, 8 x 5.25.

I have given up on discussing a Tarasenko trade, no idea what a team will pay for him, probably nothing atm.


It's really the shoulder that's tanking his trade value RN. The more certainty that there is on that front, the more likely that he is dealt. Carolina may grow impatient and look elsewhere, however, especially with a still-productive Kessel also on the trade market and Gusev/Donato/Kahun/Galchenyuk as interesting UFAs still unsigned. I personally would be really interested in Gusev if a Vlad or Kessel trade is deemed to be too risky. Vlad would be ideal, though, at least IMO.
23 aoû à 11 h 45
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Quoting: Hockyluv21
It's really the shoulder that's tanking his trade value RN. The more certainty that there is on that front, the more likely that he is dealt. Carolina may grow impatient and look elsewhere, however, especially with a still-productive Kessel also on the trade market. Vlad would be ideal, though, at least IMO.


yep shoulder, trade request, cap hit, actual salary, recent performance; none of it is helping the Blues. Although it is helpful that they could potentially start the season with him on the roster as long as they're able to get Thomas on a cheap 1 yr deal. Might mean a 22-man roster and it quashes a Bozak return, but at least it's an option. Otherwise we'd probably be looking at Army paying someone to take/flip VT.
23 aoû à 11 h 51
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Quoting: A_K
yep shoulder, trade request, cap hit, actual salary, recent performance; none of it is helping the Blues. Although it is helpful that they could potentially start the season with him on the roster as long as they're able to get Thomas on a cheap 1 yr deal. Might mean a 22-man roster and it quashes a Bozak return, but at least it's an option. Otherwise we'd probably be looking at Army paying someone to take/flip VT.


His actual salary being higher than his cap hit probably is appealing to a contending club like Carolina that wants to get to as close to the cap as possible for a big run, not detrimental to it. It may lower his overall trade value because of how it affects other clubs, however.
23 aoû à 11 h 52
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That is quite a contract for a 12-pt winger.
Don't get me wrong, I think Thomas will be top-6 mainstay for Blues for long time...and will probably be worth every penny.

But if he would sign a 2-year bridge, maybe $2.5-3 million...why wouldn't that be in Blues' interest?
Will make it easier to resign Parayko and Perron next year.
23 aoû à 11 h 55
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Quoting: NHLfan10506
That is quite a contract for a 12-pt winger.
Don't get me wrong, I think Thomas will be top-6 mainstay for Blues for long time...and will probably be worth every penny.

But if he would sign a 2-year bridge, maybe $2.5-3 million...why wouldn't that be in Blues' interest?
Will make it easier to resign Parayko and Perron next year.


The question is whether you want the savings now or later. I conjured up this extension with the idea that Perron would get his last big payday elsewhere and the funds would then be used on Parayko, who IMO is the real must-sign.
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23 aoû à 11 h 57
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Quoting: NHLfan10506
That is quite a contract for a 12-pt winger.
Don't get me wrong, I think Thomas will be top-6 mainstay for Blues for long time...and will probably be worth every penny.

But if he would sign a 2-year bridge, maybe $2.5-3 million...why wouldn't that be in Blues' interest?
Will make it easier to resign Parayko and Perron next year.


he was pretty exclusively playing center last season (between some unfortunate injuries). I'd comfortably say he's already our 2nd best center and would perform up to a $5-6m long term deal, but you'd be correct to assume that both sides are headed toward a bridge deal, probably something similar to Kyrou's 2x2.8. Might even get forced into a 1 yr deal around 2m, if there are no takers for Vlad before training camp.
23 aoû à 12 h 45
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Quoting: Hockyluv21
It's really the shoulder that's tanking his trade value RN.



I don;t think that's it. I think it's the combination of cap hit and Army's aversion to retaining/particular sort of ask on the player return.


Quoting: Hockyluv21
His actual salary being higher than his cap hit...



Next year's salary is 9.5 and the last year on his deal is 5.5, so it still averages to 7.5 This is not a thing at all.



Quoting: NHLfan10506
That is quite a contract for a 12-pt winger.



Heh. Now who's over his skis? Thomas is a center and kept missing time (23 games IIRC, plus a handful of shortened nights) with niggly crap that popped up just when he would get going.
23 aoû à 13 h 05
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Quoting: mokumboi
Heh. Now who's over his skis? Thomas is a center and kept missing time (23 games IIRC, plus a handful of shortened nights) with niggly crap that popped up just when he would get going.


You cut off the part where I say he will be a stud and worth every penny.

Quoting: NHLfan10506
That is quite a contract for a 12-pt winger.
Don't get me wrong, I think Thomas will be top-6 mainstay for Blues for long time...and will probably be worth every penny.

But if he would sign a 2-year bridge, maybe $2.5-3 million...why wouldn't that be in Blues' interest?
Will make it easier to resign Parayko and Perron next year.




My point was from Blues perspective.
Signing RT to bridge deal could help them next year when Parayko and Perron are up.
23 aoû à 13 h 59
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Quoting: NHLfan10506
You cut off the part where I say he will be a stud and worth every penny.





Right, but you were accurate about that part. It was the winger and 12-point mentions I was referring to.
23 aoû à 14 h 29
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Quoting: mokumboi
Right, but you were accurate about that part. It was the winger and 12-point mentions I was referring to.


I was accurate about the other parts too.
He is listed as a winger here.
And he had 12-points in his most recent season.
23 aoû à 14 h 37
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Quoting: NHLfan10506
I was accurate about the other parts too.
He is listed as a winger here.
And he had 12-points in his most recent season.


What he is listed as here has no actual bearing on what position he plays on the ice. And you dropped that 12-point remark with any context (such as missing 40+% of a season already chopped 33% short by the pandemic) as if it needed none. So no, neither of these assertions painted an accurate picture. Obviously.
23 aoû à 15 h 22
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Quoting: mokumboi
What he is listed as here has no actual bearing on what position he plays on the ice. And you dropped that 12-point remark with any context (such as missing 40+% of a season already chopped 33% short by the pandemic) as if it needed none. So no, neither of these assertions painted an accurate picture. Obviously.


I most clearly said,

“Don't get me wrong, I think Thomas will be top-6 mainstay for Blues for long time...and will probably be worth every penny.”

Take your grievances elsewhere.
I’m not your straw man.
23 aoû à 16 h 33
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Quoting: NHLfan10506
I most clearly said,

“Don't get me wrong, I think Thomas will be top-6 mainstay for Blues for long time...and will probably be worth every penny.”

Take your grievances elsewhere.
I’m not your straw man.


Again, I didn't comment on that part. And you obviously don't know what a strawman is.
 
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