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EP21

Créé par: dtd_tank
Date de création initiale: 18 août 2021
Publié: 18 août 2021
Équipe: 2021-22 Red Wings de Detroit
Explications
He's untouchable, I'm aware.
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
Hronek, Filip44 750 000 $
Pettersson, Elias79 500 000 $
Transactions
1.
DET
  1. Pettersson, Elias [Droits de RFA]
VAN
  1. Zadina, Filip
  2. Veleno, Joseph
  3. Wallinder, William [Liste de réserve]
  4. 2023 1e round pick (DET)
Rachats de contrats
  • Justin Abdelkader: 2 305 556 $
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
  • Richard Pánik: 1 375 000 $ (50%)
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
2022
DET
WSH
DET
DET
DET
COL
VGK
DET
DET
2023
DET
DET
DET
DET
DET
DET
2024
DET
DET
DET
DET
DET
DET
DET
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2381 500 000 $73 266 389 $0 $3 350 000 $8 233 611 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
DET
Vrána, Jakub
5 250 000 $
AG
UFA - 3
Pettersson, Elias
9 500 000 $
C
RFA - 3
DET
Bertuzzi, Tyler
4 750 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 2
DET
Fabbri, Robby
2 950 000 $
AG, C
UFA - 1
DET
Larkin, Dylan
6 100 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 2
DET
Raymond, Lucas
925 000 $
AD, AG
RFA - 3
DET
Hirose, Taro
850 000 $
AG
RFA - 1
DET
Suter, Pius
3 250 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 2
DET
Rasmussen, Michael
1 460 000 $
AG, C, AD
RFA - 3
DET
Erne, Adam
2 100 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 2
DET
Stephens, Mitchell
737 500 $
C
RFA - 1
DET
Namestnikov, Vladislav
2 000 000 $
AD, AG, C
UFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
DET
Leddy, Nick
5 500 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
DET
Hronek, Filip
4 750 000 $
DD
RFA - 3
DET
Nedeljkovic, Alex
3 000 000 $
G
UFA - 2
DET
Staal, Marc
2 000 000 $
DG
NMC
UFA - 1
DET
Seider, Moritz
863 333 $
DD
RFA - 3
DET
Greiss, Thomas
3 600 000 $
G
UFA - 1
DET
Oesterle, Jordan
1 350 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 2
DET
Stecher, Troy
1 700 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
DET
Gagner, Sam
850 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 1
DET
DeKeyser, Danny
5 000 000 $
DG
NTC
UFA - 1
DET
Lindström, Gustav
850 000 $
DD
RFA - 2
DET
Nielsen, Frans
5 250 000 $
C, AG
NTC
UFA - 1

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18 août 2021 à 13 h 5
#1
I am Loui Eriksson
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That deal gets you a trip to science world
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18 août 2021 à 13 h 7
#2
Judd Bracket ripoff
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Even if he wasn’t untouchable, it would cost significantly more than that
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18 août 2021 à 13 h 7
#3
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Now the Detroit fans have started with the garbage trade proposals
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18 août 2021 à 13 h 11
#4
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No thanks, rather just keep the pick and players
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18 août 2021 à 13 h 16
#5
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Untouchable isn’t a thing. It’s a “thing” on CF but if guys like Gretzky can be traded then EP can. Everyone has a price that said this is probably fair value for EP but I don’t think Vancouver should do it.
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18 août 2021 à 13 h 20
#6
Colin
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I think it would have to be Seider, Zadina and a bit more
18 août 2021 à 13 h 25
#7
Démarrer sujet
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Quoting: cooliny
I think it would have to be Seider, Zadina and a bit more


I'm biased, but I think the value here is pretty fair. That said, I recognize that DET & VAN don't make good trade partners here because VAN would want an overpay and DET wouldn't give Seider for anything.

I was just trying to avoid the easy route of offersheeting smile
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18 août 2021 à 13 h 28
#8
The Darkest Timeline
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I mean a deal starts with seider or raymond doesn't it?
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18 août 2021 à 13 h 37
#9
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Quoting: Jfstompers
I mean a deal starts with seider or raymond doesn't it?


Without EP, VAN lacks a top 6 C, no? Therefore, I would realistically expect a deal to start with Larkin but I tossed Veleno into the mix instead along with Zadina (which is obviously the biggest piece here).
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18 août 2021 à 13 h 38
#10
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Quoting: dtd_tank
Without EP, VAN lacks a top 6 C, no? Therefore, I would realistically expect a deal to start with Larkin but I tossed Veleno into the mix instead along with Zadina (which is obviously the biggest piece here).

Horvat is a solid 2C and Miller can play center.
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18 août 2021 à 13 h 39
#11
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Quoting: BStinson
Horvat is a solid 2C


Right, so they're missing a top 6 C... lol
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18 août 2021 à 13 h 41
#12
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Quoting: dtd_tank
Right, so they're missing a top 6 C... lol

I quick edited before your comment about Miller.
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18 août 2021 à 13 h 44
#13
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Quoting: BStinson
I quick edited before your comment about Miller.


Would you say VAN doesn't "need" a C in return then with Miller & Horvat?
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18 août 2021 à 13 h 46
#14
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Quoting: dtd_tank
I'm biased, but I think the value here is pretty fair. That said, I recognize that DET & VAN don't make good trade partners here because VAN would want an overpay and DET wouldn't give Seider for anything.

I was just trying to avoid the easy route of offersheeting smile


You’re right that Van would want an overpayment, but what you’ve posted here is a severe underpayment. Not even half of Pettersson’s value. Maybe that 2023 pick ends up being high end but also maybe it ends up being another Zadina
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18 août 2021 à 13 h 51
#15
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Quoting: The_Rocket
You’re right that Van would want an overpayment, but what you’ve posted here is a severe underpayment. Not even half of Pettersson’s value. Maybe that 2023 pick ends up being high end but also maybe it ends up being another Zadina


Ah, ok, didn't realize you guys don't recognize Zadina's development progress and growth last season without looking at numbers.
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18 août 2021 à 13 h 59
#16
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Quoting: Juiceman
That deal gets you a trip to science world


Which science world are we talking about Canadian or US? Either way it gets more than a trip to science world but It doesn't get you close to Pettersson. I know I say this a lot but I also don't think Detroit is in any position to give that much for a single player.

Quoting: TheAlien
Now the Detroit fans have started with the garbage trade proposals


That is stereotyping and it has no place here and personally I'm offended.
18 août 2021 à 14 h 9
#17
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Quoting: dtd_tank
Ah, ok, didn't realize you guys don't recognize Zadina's development progress and growth last season without looking at numbers.


Zadina is one year younger than Pettersson. Do you really think these two players are even close to equivalent in value? A developing 21 year old who has achieved 3rd line results to this point in his career, vs a 22 year old legitimate superstar who has been the best player on his team for 3 seasons. There is a massive gap in value here. A much bigger gap than two okay prospects and a 1st.

On top of that, we need to think about the type of package vancouver actually wants back if they trade Pettersson. He is their best player, so if they trade him for future, it only makes sense if they go into a full rebuild. Blow it up, trade away the core (similar to what buffalo did this year). Best case in this scenerio would be setting the teams contention back 4 years, worst case is setting it back much longer.

Even if the offer was seider and Raymond and 2023 1st, it’s still unlikely the Canucks would accept because it sets them back so far in their window of contention
18 août 2021 à 14 h 19
#18
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Quoting: dtd_tank
Would you say VAN doesn't "need" a C in return then with Miller & Horvat?

I think just about every team could use a center prospect with the exception being LA.
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18 août 2021 à 14 h 35
#19
PeterForsberg21
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That is a rebuilding move, VAN is not looking to rebuild they want to compete, so it doesn't make any sense for them.
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18 août 2021 à 14 h 49
#20
redw1n9s
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Realistic deal for EP looks like:

Larkin
Raymond
2022 first

Or

Seider
Zadina
2022 1st
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18 août 2021 à 15 h 2
#21
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Quoting: BStinson
Untouchable isn’t a thing. It’s a “thing” on CF but if guys like Gretzky can be traded then EP can. Everyone has a price that said this is probably fair value for EP but I don’t think Vancouver should do it.


agreed that everyone does have a price.... but IF Pettersson is going to be traded at the very least it should be for a package that would interest VAN... they are in win now mode. they don't want picks and prospects, they want players who can help them win now, DET doesnt have a player that would do that. i'm not saying EP40 is untouchable, just not for this package... and not to DET based on the assets that they have
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18 août 2021 à 16 h 7
#22
STOP BANNIN ME SMH
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Quoting: Juiceman
That deal gets you a trip to science world


also a complementary meal at triple o's
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18 août 2021 à 16 h 8
#23
STOP BANNIN ME SMH
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Quoting: TheAlien
Now the Detroit fans have started with the garbage trade proposals


didnt know they were just like montreal fans
18 août 2021 à 16 h 11
#24
Démarrer sujet
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Quoting: yeboi6
didnt know they were just like montreal fans


lol cmonnnn
 
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