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Rebuilding the rebuild

Créé par: Bruins79Nation
Date de création initiale: aoû 15, 2021
Publié: 17 aoû à 10 h 23
Équipe: 2021-22 Sabres de Buffalo
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
Dahlin, Rasmus24 000 000 $
Mittelstadt, Casey32 200 000 $
Jokiharju, Henri11 500 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
Palmieri, Kyle12 900 000 $
Gustafsson, Erik11 000 000 $
Transactions
BUF
  1. Krebs, Peyton
  2. Whitecloud, Zach
  3. Dadonov, Evgeni
  4. Brisson, Brendan [Liste de réserve]
  5. 2022 1e round pick (VGK)
  6. 2023 1e round pick (VGK)
VGK
  1. Eichel, Jack (3 411 667 $ retained)
BUF
  1. Koskinen, Mikko
  2. 2022 2e round pick (EDM)
EDM
  1. Dell, Aaron
BUF
  1. Meier, Timo
  2. Vlasic, Marc-Édouard
  3. 2022 1e round pick (SJS)
SJS
  1. Butcher, Will
BUF
  1. Brink, Bobby [Liste de réserve]
PHI
  1. Hägg, Robert (800 000 $ retained)
  2. Miller, Colin (1 937 500 $ retained)
BUF
  1. 2022 3e round pick (TBL)
  2. 2022 4e round pick (TOR)
CBJ
  1. Eakin, Cody (1 125 000 $ retained)
  2. Pysyk, Mark (450 000 $ retained)
  3. Hayden, John (325 000 $ retained)
Rachats de contrats
  • Cody Hodgson: 791 667 $
  • Christian Ehrhoff: 0 $
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
  • Jack Eichel: 3 411 667 $ (34.12%)
  • Robert Hägg: 800 000 $ (50%)
  • Colin Miller: 1 937 500 $ (50%)
  • Cody Eakin: 1 125 000 $ (50%)
  • Mark Pysyk: 450 000 $ (50%)
  • John Hayden: 325 000 $ (43.33%)
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
2022
BUF
FLA
VGK
SJS
BUF
EDM
BUF
TBL
BUF
TOR
NJD
BUF
BUF
2023
BUF
VGK
BUF
PHI
BUF
BUF
BUF
BUF
BUF
2024
BUF
BUF
BUF
BUF
BUF
BUF
BUF
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2681 500 000 $75 504 749 $113 916 $1 345 000 $5 995 251 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
SJS
Meier, Timo
6 000 000 $
AG, AD
RFA - 2
BUF
Mittelstadt, Casey
2 200 000 $
C
RFA - 3
BUF
Olofsson, Victor
3 050 000 $
AG, AD
RFA - 1
BUF
Ruotsalainen, Arttu
925 000 $
C, AG
RFA - 1
BUF
Cozens, Dylan
894 167 $
C, AG
RFA - 2
BUF
Thompson, Tage
1 400 000 $
C, AD
RFA - 2
Palmieri, Kyle
2 900 000 $
AD, AG
NTC
UFA - 4
VGK
Krebs, Peyton
863 333 $
C, AG
RFA - 3
VGK
Dadonov, Evgeni
5 000 000 $
AD, AG
NTC
UFA - 2
BUF
Caggiula, Drake
750 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
BUF
Asplund, Rasmus
825 000 $
C, AG
RFA - 2
BUF
Hinostroza, Vinnie
1 050 000 $
AD, C
UFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
BUF
Dahlin, Rasmus
4 000 000 $
DG
RFA - 3
BUF
Jokiharju, Henri
1 500 000 $
DD
RFA - 3
BUF
Luukkonen, Ukko-Pekka
778 333 $
G
RFA - 1
SJS
Vlasic, Marc-Édouard
7 000 000 $
DG/DD
NMC
UFA - 5
VGK
Whitecloud, Zach
725 000 $
DD
RFA - 1
EDM
Koskinen, Mikko
4 500 000 $
G
NTC
UFA - 1
BUF
Bryson, Jacob
889 166 $
DG
RFA - 1
Gustafsson, Erik
1 000 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 1
BUF
Anderson, Craig
750 000 $
G
UFA - 1
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
BUF
Skinner, Jeff
9 000 000 $
AG, AD
NMC
UFA - 6
BUF
Okposo, Kyle
6 000 000 $
AD
NTC
UFA - 2
BUF
Girgensons, Zemgus
2 200 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 2
BUF
Bjork, Anders
1 600 000 $
AG, AD
RFA - 2
BUF
MacInnis, Ryan
750 000 $
C
RFA - 1

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17 aoû à 10 h 24
#1
Rejoint: jui 2021
Messages: 145
Mentions "j'aime": 61
Don't need Dell thank you
Gregzky et Nhl_oilers a aimé ceci.
17 aoû à 10 h 25
#2
Rejoint: fév 2021
Messages: 514
Mentions "j'aime": 196
Quoting: OhKennyHolland
Don't need Dell thank you


I was going to say the same thing!
17 aoû à 10 h 27
#3
Rejoint: aoû 2020
Messages: 3,910
Mentions "j'aime": 1,961
No team is going to retain $3M a yr for the next 5 years. And that SJS trade like wth. I’m not even a SJS fan and I know they hang up laughing then proceed to call every media person they know to let them know how ridiculous that trade is.
Klara a aimé ceci.
17 aoû à 10 h 40
#4
Patient Sharks Fan
Rejoint: jui 2021
Messages: 926
Mentions "j'aime": 518
We're not giving up what is likely a top 10 1st to move Vlasic and also giving you Timo. Not gonna happen -not even close.
17 aoû à 10 h 41
#5
Patient Sharks Fan
Rejoint: jui 2021
Messages: 926
Mentions "j'aime": 518
Quoting: OhKennyHolland
Don't need Dell thank you


but...Dude, you're getting a Dell.
Gregzky a aimé ceci.
17 aoû à 10 h 51
#6
Rejoint: nov 2017
Messages: 14,922
Mentions "j'aime": 6,552
You can only retain 3 salaries at a time
Shibbal18 et sabres89 a aimé ceci.
17 aoû à 10 h 52
#7
VGKNation702
Rejoint: mai 2019
Messages: 2,705
Mentions "j'aime": 872
Retention is nice but that’s entirely too much.
17 aoû à 10 h 59
#8
Shibbal18
Rejoint: jan 2016
Messages: 18,646
Mentions "j'aime": 5,538
Sabres arent retaining 3.5 mill for 5 years, for that
sabres89 a aimé ceci.
17 aoû à 11 h 08
#9
Rejoint: fév 2021
Messages: 514
Mentions "j'aime": 196
Quoting: lilfimpen
but...Dude, you're getting a Dell.


Haha that's too good.
17 aoû à 11 h 09
#10
Number 1 Skinner Fan
Rejoint: jui 2021
Messages: 414
Mentions "j'aime": 194
Daddy says no with his NTC
17 aoû à 11 h 13
#11
Nah.
Rejoint: sep 2020
Messages: 1,103
Mentions "j'aime": 737
…why would CBJ, a rebuilding team, give up draft picks for three sub-par rentals?
17 aoû à 11 h 15
#12
Patient Sharks Fan
Rejoint: jui 2021
Messages: 926
Mentions "j'aime": 518
Quoting: Gregzky
Haha that's too good.





Oh the 90's....
Gregzky a aimé ceci.
17 aoû à 11 h 18
#13
Rejoint: mar 2017
Messages: 15,016
Mentions "j'aime": 4,509
Why do people expect Edmonton to shell out high picks in order to downgrade their goaltending?

Huh?
Ausbear17, Gregzky et Zmach a aimé ceci.
17 aoû à 11 h 22
#14
Rejoint: nov 2017
Messages: 14,922
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Quoting: CD282
Why do people expect Edmonton to shell out high picks in order to downgrade their goaltending?

Huh?


Trading a 2nd rounder to save 3.75 million...
17 aoû à 11 h 30
#15
Rejoint: mar 2017
Messages: 15,016
Mentions "j'aime": 4,509
Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
Trading a 2nd rounder to save 3.75 million...


What do they need to save money for? They're a playoff team, their goal is to ice the best possible team every night. They aren't going to downgrade to save a few bucks.
Ausbear17 et Gregzky a aimé ceci.
17 aoû à 11 h 38
#16
Rejoint: fév 2017
Messages: 4,137
Mentions "j'aime": 1,890
Sabres wouldn't retain that much for that package (it's nice, but that much retention is poison). Somebody already pointed out that you can only retain on 3 contracts. I wouldn't touch the vlasic contract, and much like Skinner, they are right to say that whatever the cost is, it's not worth paying it to move him. I think jokiharju gets what mittelstadt is getting here, its fair for what they have done (glimpses of promise) and the hope the team has that they are part of the new core. As far as the other trades- sure, whether this is the right teams or not, trading guys that aren't the future for decent picks is the right move. I'm open to weaponizing cap, like koskinen, short term deals that come with a pick.
17 aoû à 11 h 47
#17
Rejoint: nov 2017
Messages: 14,922
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Quoting: CD282
What do they need to save money for? They're a playoff team, their goal is to ice the best possible team every night. They aren't going to downgrade to save a few bucks.


Koskinen isn't good and they can use the money elsewhere. Maybe they don't, but let's not act like it's ludacris or out of line with other cap dump prices lately
17 aoû à 12 h 42
#18
Rejoint: mar 2017
Messages: 15,016
Mentions "j'aime": 4,509
Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
Koskinen isn't good and they can use the money elsewhere. Maybe they don't, but let's not act like it's ludacris or out of line with other cap dump prices lately


Koskinen has been average over the past two seasons. Among 58 goalies to play at least 35 games Koskinen's .910 sv% was 29th best.

However, Koskinen's numbers were dragged down by the beginning of 20-21 when Smith was injured and Holland screwed up the backup situation repeatedly, which meant that Koskinen had to play every game of a wicked schedule - 12 games in 24 nights traveling thousands of miles through 4 time zones - which isn't something ANY goalie can stand up under. It wasn't fair to Koskinen but Tippett had little choice but to keep throwing him over the boards, so his results were poor over that stretch. I don't fault Koskinen for that, he did his best in an impossible situation.

If you pull those 12 games out of the equation to get a look at how he performs under normal circumstances, his save percentage over the past two seasons is .916, which places him 17th of the top 58 goaltenders - 70th percentile.

Now, if you look at CapFriendly's list of top-earning goaltenders, you'll see that Mikko has the 19th highest cap hit. He's not overpaid, he's not a cap dump. The Oilers need him a lot more than they need the cap space, as they won't be able to use it to upgrade any other part of the roster enough to offset the downgrade that is losing Koskinen.

Nothing about this is worth a high pick.
Gregzky a aimé ceci.
17 aoû à 15 h 02
#19
Rejoint: fév 2021
Messages: 514
Mentions "j'aime": 196
Quoting: CD282
Koskinen has been average over the past two seasons. Among 58 goalies to play at least 35 games Koskinen's .910 sv% was 29th best.

However, Koskinen's numbers were dragged down by the beginning of 20-21 when Smith was injured and Holland screwed up the backup situation repeatedly, which meant that Koskinen had to play every game of a wicked schedule - 12 games in 24 nights traveling thousands of miles through 4 time zones - which isn't something ANY goalie can stand up under. It wasn't fair to Koskinen but Tippett had little choice but to keep throwing him over the boards, so his results were poor over that stretch. I don't fault Koskinen for that, he did his best in an impossible situation.

If you pull those 12 games out of the equation to get a look at how he performs under normal circumstances, his save percentage over the past two seasons is .916, which places him 17th of the top 58 goaltenders - 70th percentile.

Now, if you look at CapFriendly's list of top-earning goaltenders, you'll see that Mikko has the 19th highest cap hit. He's not overpaid, he's not a cap dump. The Oilers need him a lot more than they need the cap space, as they won't be able to use it to upgrade any other part of the roster enough to offset the downgrade that is losing Koskinen.

Nothing about this is worth a high pick.


Very well thought out response. The problem with Koskinen is that people who have never watched him play only hear of the bad games and think that every game went that way. I still think they need to upgrade but Dell isn't better just cheaper.
17 aoû à 15 h 33
#20
Pistol Pete
Rejoint: aoû 2020
Messages: 2,857
Mentions "j'aime": 835
Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
Trading a 2nd rounder to save 3.75 million...


Koskinen's salary is irrelevant, expiring, and it actually helps them if they want to make a trade deadline move because of LTIR.
 
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