A Neutral View on a Potential Eichel Trade

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Créé par: BallPuckFellow10

Équipe: 2021-22 Rangers de New York

Date de création initiale: 5 août 2021

Publié: 5 août 2021

Mode - plafond salarial: Basique

Signatures de joueurs autonomes

RFA		ANS	CAP HIT
Shesterkin, Igor		5	5 500 000 $
Hájek, Libor		2	800 000 $

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NYR

Eichel, Jack

BUF

Kravtsov, Vitali
Schneider, Braden
Strome, Ryan
Choix de 1e ronde en 2022 (NYR)
Choix de 2e ronde en 2022 (NYR)

Détails additionnels:

- Strome for Cap purposes, can also be flipped for more assets.
- Kravtsov is a young forward that should develop into a solid top 6 winger.
- Schneider has the potential to become a solid #3 or #4 Defenseman. Could be an excellent fit next to Dahlin in the Future.
- 1st round pick and an additional 2nd round pick that the Sabres can use to add more young talent.

I honestly can't think Buffalo fans can be serious thinking that they will get a lot more than this at this point. He is going to be traded and these are great pieces for them to continue their rebuild.

I can't see Kakko being involved in this deal. Maybe Lundqvist instead of Schneider, and he would be a nice fit next to Owen Power. Buffalo don't need Georgiev, their plan is obviously to be as bad as possible this year to have a chance at the #1 pick again. Chytil could be involved in the deal, but in reality, Buffalo already have Mittelstadt that is their own ''project'' I can't see them adding another one in Chytil. Zach Jones would probably not either be a guy that Buffalo target as they are stacked on LD prospects. Morgan Barron would be an interesting piece for Buffalo to look at. I think he has all the tools to become a really good 3rd line center Behind Cozens and one of the top picks in the 2022 draft.

I am not sure what the other teams that are in the Eichel sweep stakes are prepared to offer. I can see Buffalo trying to add guys like Rossi, Addison, Rask as a cap dump plus a pick from Minnesota. I don't know if Minnesota does that though.

Rachats de contrats

Henrik Lundqvist: 1 500 000 $
Kevin Shattenkirk: 1 433 333 $
Dan Girardi: 1 111 111 $
Anthony Deangelo: 383 334 $
Brad Richards: 0 $

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TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
23	81 500 000 $	77 099 802 $	0 $	7 550 000 $	4 400 198 $

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Panarin, Artemi 11 642 857 $11 642 857 $ AG NMC UFA - 5	Eichel, Jack 10 000 000 $10 000 000 $ C UFA - 5	Kakko, Kaapo 925 000 $925 000 $ (2 650 000 $$3M) AD RFA - 1
Kreider, Chris 6 500 000 $6 500 000 $ AG NMC UFA - 6	Zibanejad, Mika 5 350 000 $5 350 000 $ C NMC UFA - 1	Lafrenière, Alexis 925 000 $925 000 $ (2 850 000 $$3M) AG, AD RFA - 2
Goodrow, Barclay 3 641 667 $3 641 667 $ C, AG M-NTC UFA - 6	Chytil, Filip 2 300 000 $2 300 000 $ C, AG UFA - 2	Blais, Samuel 1 500 000 $1 500 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 1
Hunt, Dryden 762 500 $762 500 $ AG, AD UFA - 2	Rooney, Kevin 750 000 $750 000 $ C UFA - 1	Reaves, Ryan 1 750 000 $1 750 000 $ AD UFA - 1

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Lindgren, Ryan 3 000 000 $3 000 000 $ DG RFA - 3	Fox, Adam 925 000 $925 000 $ (850 000 $$850K) DD UFA - 1	Shesterkin, Igor 5 500 000 $5 500 000 $ G UFA - 4
Miller, K'Andre 925 000 $925 000 $ (350 000 $$350K) DG RFA - 2	Trouba, Jacob 8 000 000 $8 000 000 $ DD NMC UFA - 5	Georgiev, Alexandar 2 425 000 $2 425 000 $ G UFA - 1
Nemeth, Patrik 2 500 000 $2 500 000 $ DG M-NTC UFA - 3	Lundkvist, Nils 925 000 $925 000 $ (850 000 $$850K) DD RFA - 3

Laissés de côté	Liste des blessés (IR)	Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
McKegg, Greg 750 000 $750 000 $ C, AG UFA - 1
Gauthier, Julien 775 000 $775 000 $ AD UFA - 1
Tinordi, Jarred 900 000 $900 000 $ DG UFA - 2

Équipe de réserve
Barron, Morgan 925 000 $925 000 $ (0 $$00 $$0) (850 000 $$850K) AG, AD RFA - 2
Brodzinski, Jonny 750 000 $750 000 $ (0 $$00 $$0) C UFA - 1
Jones, Zachary 925 000 $925 000 $ (0 $$00 $$0) DG RFA - 2
Hájek, Libor 800 000 $800 000 $ (0 $$00 $$0) DG UFA - 1
Bitetto, Anthony 737 500 $737 500 $ (0 $$00 $$0) DG UFA - 1
Kinkaid, Keith 825 000 $825 000 $ (0 $$00 $$0) G UFA - 1

5 août 2021 à 16 h 24

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Quoting: Shibbal18

Dahlin played right side in Sweden. Move Eichel for little help in the absolutely depleted forward group but you get a Dman, or move Dahlin 22 ft to the right. The Sabres drafted 2 dmen this year, Power, a cant miss #1 overall pick, and Nikita Novikov (LD) in the 6th round. Shoring up defense doesnt seem like much of a priority. Also Kuokkanen and Laaksonen are not nothing. Im way more familiar with our prospects than most Sabre fans

Of course he can play the right side, he is an NHL defenseman! My point is that it makes no sense to stack one d-pair and expose the other two. No team in the NHL does that. Boy if you are banking on Novikov to become an impactful NHL defenseman you are already proving my point. Koukkanen is such a long shot and at BEST a #6 guy. Laaksonen has a more realistic chance to become an NHL regular but nothing more than a 3rd pairing guy.

5 août 2021 à 16 h 30

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Theres 0 reason to not put Power and Dahlin together, other than it fits your argument. Power Dahlin would be ridiculous. Jokiharju and Dahlin both struggled with Kreuger, both said he was confusing and handcuffed them, both played better after Kreuger was fired. Jokiharju is fine, he also just turned 22. No one should be worried about him

You could be right with Jokiharju, time will tell. But my argument regarding Dahlin and Power together is not something I made top to fit my argument. I am going to give you some examples here.
Hedman doesn't play with McDonagh, Klingberg doesn't play with Heiskanen, Weber and Petry didn't play together, Rielly and Muzzin don't play together, Theodore and Petro don't play together, Karlsson and Burns don't play together, Pionk and Morrissey don't play together. You get my point I hope.

5 août 2021 à 16 h 31

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Eichel will not be traded this year not even at TDL, next season offseason at the soonest

5 août 2021 à 16 h 33

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Quoting: Sabresforlife

Eichel will not be traded this year not even at TDL, next season offseason at the soonest

No lol, after this season his NMC kicks in and he can decide where he want to go. This is the last offseason that Buffalo can trade him anywhere before Eichel has all control.

5 août 2021 à 16 h 35

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Quoting: BallPuckFellow10

I dont think Samuelsson - Jokiharju is exposed at all though, they are both really good. Kuokkanen played the full season in Liiga and had pretty good stats. He might be a long shot but he has to be a 6th dman not top or 2nd pair, same with Laaksonen who was top pair in Rochester and had a great season and had leaps in his development. Because he is in Rochester we can see that his skating is NHL level and he worked a lot on improving his shot. Laaksonen will definitely have his shot in Buffalo

5 août 2021 à 16 h 38

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Quoting: BallPuckFellow10

If anything then it'll be some combo of Power - Dahlin - Samuelsson - Jokiharju or maybe a high profile UFA vet thrown in there as a mentor, its not going to be another 22 year old kid that doesnt exceed those 4 as is

5 août 2021 à 16 h 40

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As a 2nd pair, they would definitely get exposed. Solid 3rd pair however. You keep proving my point, you have a few guys that CAN be NHL players rather than trying to acquire someone that ARE going to be NHL players, and impactful ones.

5 août 2021 à 16 h 43

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Quoting: Shibbal18

You are overvaluing Samuelsson and Jokiharju. Samuelsson is great 3rd pairing shut down specialist. He is not going to play on your second pair. Jokiharju could very well take a step and become a #4, but he hasn't showed that he is capable of that yet. I 100% agree that they should add one vet to this group.

5 août 2021 à 16 h 53

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This isn’t a low ball offer. The guy wants an experimental surgery for a SPINAL injury. He might never be the same player. It’s a serious injury.

It's not experimental at all. Its disc replacement instead of spinal fusion.

Shibbal18 a aimé ceci.

5 août 2021 à 17 h 7

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No im not. Theyre 2nd pair dmen. Theyve both been fantastic as well, especially Samuelsson. People want to underrate him just because hes associated with Buffalo as if the last 3 seasons have been his fault. The Sabres d is set

5 août 2021 à 17 h 8

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Quoting: BallPuckFellow10

Im not proving youre point, youre purposely undervaluing players and claiming that proves your point when your just proving you know nothing about them

5 août 2021 à 17 h 10

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Quoting: Shibbal18

Well, we will have to agree to disagree then. I don't think anyone with a brain is putting the dumpster fire that Buffalo has been on the young players. How can you not be set with 2 #1 overall defenseman!

5 août 2021 à 17 h 12

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Quoting: aedoran

It's not experimental at all. Its disc replacement instead of spinal fusion.

That surgery has been around for 50 years but they still consider it experimental, yet...

5 août 2021 à 17 h 14

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Quoting: aedoran

It's not experimental at all. Its disc replacement instead of spinal fusion.

How many NHLers have gotten the surgery?

5 août 2021 à 17 h 15

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Im not proving youre point, youre purposely undervaluing players and claiming that proves your point when your just proving you know nothing about them

I know nothing about them lol. Chicago dumped Jokiharju as they knew they had Ian Mitchell coming up and just drafted Boqvist. They clearly didn't believe that he was a top 4 guy. He only got them Alex Nylander back which was a huge gamble. Says a lot about how highly they though of Jokiharju. You clearly overvalue what you have beside Dahlin and Power. Samuelsson is a really solid 3rd pairing defensive defenseman prospect.

5 août 2021 à 17 h 15

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Quoting: BallPuckFellow10

Just need to wait till they mature, especially physically

5 août 2021 à 17 h 16

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Stan isnt renowned for his trades. And you have nothing about the Sabres draft picks other than theyre Sabre draft picks. I think i know more about players i watch more than someone looking up their stats on Capfriendly when hes called out

5 août 2021 à 17 h 21

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Crazy that NO other GM jumped on this great slam-dunk top 4 right handed defenseman prospect being available...
You might watch more Buffalo games than me, but you clearly don't have great knowledge and understanding about the game. I have literally answered every argument you have with facts, time to give it up buddy.

5 août 2021 à 17 h 30

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Other teams probably didnt want to give up a top 6 forward prospect (which Nylander was at the time, as well as a recent 8 overall) for a dman. You havent shown any facts rofl, everything youve said is speculation and your opinion. Wtf

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Mate, Nylander had played 3 pro seasons in North America, he was never considered a top 6 prospect anymore. Maybe 3rd line scorer at best. You keep saying these things that aren't true. Nothing I have said is a crazy opinion or something that a person that follows hockey wouldn't agree with. Jokiharju isn't a top 4 defenseman at the moment. Samuelsson is projected as a 3rd pairing guy. Kravtsov is projected as a top 6 winger. Schneider and Lundqvist are projected as top 4 defenseman. Barron is projected as a 3rd line center. None of these things are something I just came up with. If you go and take a look and analysts that make prospect rankings, you will find these projections there!
You got to come out from your fantasy land dreams man. I'm just spitting facts and you are salty about it.

5 août 2021 à 17 h 55

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Mate, Nylander had played 3 pro seasons in North America, he was never considered a top 6 prospect anymore. Maybe 3rd line scorer at best. You keep saying these things that aren't true. Nothing I have said is a crazy opinion or something that a person that follows hockey wouldn't agree with. Jokiharju isn't a top 4 defenseman. Samuelsson is projected as a 3rd pairing guy. Kravtsov is projected as a top 6 winger. Schneider and Lundqvist are projected as top 4 defenseman. Barron is projected as a 3rd line center. None of these things are something I just came up with. If you go and take a look and analysts that make prospect rankings, you will find these projections there!
You got to come out from your fantasy land dreams man. I'm just spitting facts and you are salty about it.

No im not youre looking at it in hindsight. "I expect him to be fighting for a spot on our team, for sure," Bowman said. "We don't hand out those jobs in the summer, but I think with his offensive talent and his skill level, it's certainly exciting to think what he can be when you put him with some of the players we have. If you look at our team last year, we have two pretty good pairs there between Kane and Toews, Strome and DeBrincat. One thing about Alex that's appealing, as well, is he can play left and right wing. Not every player can do that, but he has the skill level to play on the off wing. Looking at our top two lines, one line we're probably looking for a left wing, the other we're looking for a right winger. " Again you havent provided a single fact about anything here, just opinion and speculation. I also never said anything about the Ranger prospects and their value

5 août 2021 à 18 h 2

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Quoting: Shibbal18

Toews,

Strome and [forward Alex] DeBrincat. One thing about Alex that's appealing, as well, is he can play left and right wing. Not every player can do that, but he has the skill level to play on the off wing. Looking at our top two lines, one line we're probably looking for a left wing, the other we're looking for a right winger. " Again you havent provided a single fact about anything here, just opinion and speculation. I also never said anything about the Ranger prospects and their value

I don't know what you are trying to say here. Alex Nylander was drafted with the idea of being a top 6 winger. It never worked out and after three years playing pro hockey in North America he had done nothing to suggest that he would be a top 6 option. I have never said anything about his skill level, he just hasn't put it together yet to be what he was projected to be. If you go back and look at his ice time during his one year of playing for Chicago, there were 10 forwards with more average ice time than him, 10!! A top 6 forward doesn't have 10 guys playing ahead of him. Again providing you with facts. No opinion, no speculation, FACTS!

5 août 2021 à 18 h 10

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https://theathletic.com/2344320/2021/01/27/nhl-prospect-pool-rankings-sabres-2021/
https://theathletic.com/2372389/2021/02/09/nhl-prospect-rankings-rangers-2021/

Read these articles about someone who's full time job is to follow prospects. Everything I have said is backed up by him. Again FACTS.

5 août 2021 à 18 h 34

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Quoting: BallPuckFellow10

In not saying anything, that is a quote from Stan Bowman. Which is what an actual fact is

5 août 2021 à 18 h 42

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Quoting: Shibbal18

In not saying anything, that is a quote from Stan Bowman. Which is what an actual fact is

What else is he going to say when he acquires a player lmao? That is standard stuff that every GM has to say when they acquire a player man, WAKE UP! I gave you two good articles to read. After reading them maybe you will take in everything I have said. No shame in admitting that you were wrong, it happens. We move on. Stop with this nonsense now. Have a good rest of your day/night!

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