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Players who were given up on too early

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Date de création initiale: 5 août 2021
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5 août 2021 à 13 h 44
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Fox wasn’t given up. He bullied his way to New York by refusing to sign with his draft team and then Carolina. He screwed over two teams, definitely not given up.
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5 août 2021 à 13 h 45
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Who gave up on Fox? He wanted out of Carolina to go play for the Rangers
5 août 2021 à 13 h 45
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I think theres a difference between a team trading a top prospect during "win now" mode vs them trading somene whos played for a couple years.
5 août 2021 à 13 h 45
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Trading anderson was the right move - he’s a 3rd liner , not worth 5.5 x 7
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5 août 2021 à 13 h 46
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Quoting: Juiceman
Fox wasn’t given up. He bullied his way to New York by refusing to sign with his draft team and then Carolina. He screwed over two teams, definitely not given up.


he didnt bully anyone. He simply didnt want to play there. Forcing kids to play for teams they have no desire to is bullying, the fact that Fox was able to use his leverage to end up where he wants is a good thing. Billion dollar corporations shouldnt have half the control they do over these kids.
5 août 2021 à 13 h 47
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giving up on players is one thing, but half of these guys were just traded for normal reasons or just on teams with stupid GMs
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Quoting: Db1899
Trading anderson was the right move - he’s a 3rd liner , not worth 5.5 x 7


you like domi for 5 tho?
5 août 2021 à 13 h 48
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Quoting: JaredOfLondon
giving up on players is one thing, but half of these guys were just traded for normal reasons or just on teams with stupid GMs


That’s kind of like what dumb gms do give up on young players too early
5 août 2021 à 13 h 51
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Turris - forced his way out of Arizona, traded and overpaid by Nashville. Not sure how that constitutes given up on early.
Anderson - got paid a lot after coming off an injury riddled season. Columbus didn't give up on him.
Borgström - who? Spent last season in Finland and was apart of a cap dump. Not exactly given up on.
Suzuki - price of Pacioretty
Petry - had like 5 seasons with the Oilers and was going to UFA.
Fox - as everyone else is saying; only wanted to play in New York.
5 août 2021 à 13 h 51
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That’s kind of like what dumb gms do give up on young players too early


no, usually it's just them valuing the bad returns more than the young players. Nashville didnt give up on Girard, they just thought Duchene was not terrible etc, Same with Forsberg, the caps legit thought Erat was going to help them for the playoffs. Giving up is trading a guy for nothing because you think he'll never be anything
5 août 2021 à 13 h 56
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Quoting: HabsRSus
you like domi for 5 tho?


I’ll take domi at 5 mill x 2 over anderson at 5.5 x 7.
5 août 2021 à 14 h 0
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Quoting: Db1899
I’ll take domi at 5 mill x 2 over anderson at 5.5 x 7.


whats he gonna get next?
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Quoting: HabsRSus
you like domi for 5 tho?


Domi had an awful season and ended up with the same number of points as Anderson.

Neither are worth over 5 million, let's be real.
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Quoting: HabsRSus
whats he gonna get next?


No clue , that’s not the point though. I think it was a terrible move by bergevin, but don’t worry ,every GM in the Canadian division is awful.
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Quoting: JaredOfLondon
he didnt bully anyone. He simply didnt want to play there. Forcing kids to play for teams they have no desire to is bullying, the fact that Fox was able to use his leverage to end up where he wants is a good thing. Billion dollar corporations shouldnt have half the control they do over these kids.


Refusing to play for your drafted team is selfish. Playing in the NHL is a privilege. Do you see other players bullying their way to where they want to play? He screwed Calgary and Carolina over because he was too much of a baby and would cry if he didn’t go to New York. No franchise bullied a player into playing for them. Fox refusing to sign a contract with his team is an ass move.
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Quoting: mondo
Domi had an awful season and ended up with the same number of points as Anderson.

Neither are worth over 5 million, let's be real.


i dont think either is lol
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Quoting: Db1899
No clue , that’s not the point though. I think it was a terrible move by bergevin, but don’t worry ,every GM in the Canadian division is awful.


im okay with the move not the deal, MB however is bad we do agree on that
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5 août 2021 à 14 h 16
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why in the world is josh anderson on this list, he got worst...
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why in the world is josh anderson on this list, he got worst...


I wouldn't say he got worse, but he didn't get better he was on pace for his same career best goal total in regular 82 games and was on pace for 2nd best total points. So not worse but also not better.
5 août 2021 à 14 h 24
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Quoting: KeepUps15
why in the world is josh anderson on this list, he got worst...


Quite the opposite actually
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you like domi for 5 tho?


For less term? Absolutely. And he has a far better track record and had a similarly bad season as Anderson
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Quoting: C21
For less term? Absolutely. And he has a far better track record and had a similarly bad season as Anderson


yes but the point is hes going to walk now so you just lost everything for a 3rd rd pick
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yes but the point is hes going to walk now so you just lost everything for a 3rd rd pick


I view even that as a win over paying Anderson what he got
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I view even that as a win over paying Anderson what he got


well i dont think any other GM was giving anderson 5.5, but MB ain't the best at negotiations, max he gets 4
5 août 2021 à 14 h 45
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Quoting: JaredOfLondon
he didnt bully anyone. He simply didnt want to play there. Forcing kids to play for teams they have no desire to is bullying, the fact that Fox was able to use his leverage to end up where he wants is a good thing. Billion dollar corporations shouldnt have half the control they do over these kids.


When you are drafted, you are given the choice to play in the NHL. Nobody is forced to sign. The price of admission is that you accept a contract with the team that drafted you. In return you get resources and ice time to develop your game and a chance to earn contracts worth millions of dollars.

While I believe there should be exceptions for players' decisions over medical treatment (re:Eichel), the "control" is reasonable. All workers agree to certain terms when they sign an employment contract and employers have a right to expect some form of minimum standard.
Remember that these are guaranteed contracts. There are necessary protections for both parties.

If Edmonton is good enough for McDavid, what right does Fox, or anyone else, have to refuse signing and still play in the NHL?
 
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