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Threesome

Créé par: BobbyD
Équipe: 2021-22 Islanders de New York
Date de création initiale: 1 août 2021
Publié: 1 août 2021
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
Saw this three way deal in another ACGM, wanted to explore the Islanders side of it.
Also, generally, I signed players to the absolute highest I can see them getting.
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
21 000 000 $
55 000 000 $
44 000 000 $
76 250 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
34 500 000 $
33 250 000 $
32 000 000 $
1850 000 $
1850 000 $
1750 000 $
Transactions
1.
NYI
  1. Tarasenko, Vladimir (3 750 000 $ retained)
Détails additionnels:
Threesome trade, Detroit is doing this salary retention
STL
  1. Aho, Sebastian
  2. Bellows, Kieffer
  3. Choix de 2e ronde en 2022 (COL)
  4. Choix de 4e ronde en 2023 (NYI)
2.
NYI
    Tarasenko retention
    DET
    1. Hickey, Thomas
    2. Komarov, Leo
    3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2022 (NYI)
    Rachats de contrats
    Enfoui
    Repêchage1e ronde2e ronde3e ronde4e ronde5e ronde6e ronde7e ronde
    2022
    Logo de NYI
    Logo de NYI
    Logo de NYI
    2023
    Logo de NYI
    Logo de NYI
    Logo de NYI
    Logo de NYI
    Logo de NYI
    2024
    Logo de NYI
    Logo de NYI
    Logo de NYI
    Logo de NYI
    Logo de NYI
    Logo de NYI
    Logo de NYI
    TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
    2281 500 000 $77 304 188 $1 365 854 $1 325 000 $4 195 812 $
    Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
    Logo de Islanders de New York
    7 000 000 $7 000 000 $
    AG
    NTC
    UFA - 5
    Logo de Islanders de New York
    7 000 000 $7 000 000 $
    C, AD
    UFA - 2
    Logo de Blues de St-Louis
    0 $0 $
    AD
    NTC
    UFA - 2
    Logo de Islanders de New York
    5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
    AD, AG
    UFA - 3
    Logo de Islanders de New York
    6 000 000 $6 000 000 $
    C, AG
    M-NTC
    UFA - 4
    Logo de Islanders de New York
    5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
    AD, AG, C
    UFA - 3
    4 500 000 $4 500 000 $
    AD, AG
    UFA - 4
    Logo de Islanders de New York
    5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
    C
    NTC
    UFA - 5
    Logo de Islanders de New York
    894 167 $894 167 $ (Bonis de performance537 500 $$538K)
    AD
    RFA - 2
    Logo de Islanders de New York
    1 500 000 $1 500 000 $
    AG, AD
    UFA - 3
    Logo de Islanders de New York
    3 500 000 $3 500 000 $
    AD
    UFA - 1
    3 250 000 $3 250 000 $
    C
    UFA - 6
    Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
    Logo de Islanders de New York
    6 250 000 $6 250 000 $
    DG
    UFA - 8
    Logo de Islanders de New York
    5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
    G
    M-NTC
    UFA - 2
    2 000 000 $2 000 000 $
    DG
    UFA - 1
    Logo de Islanders de New York
    5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
    DD
    UFA - 1
    Logo de Islanders de New York
    750 000 $750 000 $ (Bonis de performance250 000 $$250K)
    DG/DD
    UFA - 1
    Logo de Islanders de New York
    1 450 000 $1 450 000 $
    DD
    UFA - 2
    Logo de Islanders de New York
    4 000 000 $4 000 000 $
    G
    UFA - 3
    Logo de Islanders de New York
    894 167 $894 167 $ (Bonis de performance537 500 $$538K)
    DD
    RFA - 1
    Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
    850 000 $850 000 $
    AG
    UFA - 1
    Logo de Islanders de New York
    6 000 000 $6 000 000 $
    DD
    M-NTC
    UFA - 1
    850 000 $850 000 $
    C
    UFA

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    1 août 2021 à 21 h 9
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    I'm glad someone did the islanders side of it so I can see it. I did the Detroit one.
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    1 août 2021 à 21 h 12
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    IDK if Det will retain but AZ will but i like that value for each of trade parts
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    1 août 2021 à 21 h 15
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    laugh laugh Detroit's not retaining $3,750,000 x 2 on Vladimir Tarasenko for 2 cap dumps and a late 1st round pick. Need to offer us far better then this.
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    1 août 2021 à 21 h 16
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    Doubtful on Detroit side.

    It equates to 7.5M of cap from Tarasenko plus two additional cap dumps with no roster spot for them. This would be considered dead cap weight completely and no shot of LTIR.
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    1 août 2021 à 21 h 25
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    Quoting: BStinson
    Doubtful on Detroit side.

    It equates to 7.5M of cap from Tarasenko plus two additional cap dumps with no roster spot for them. This would be considered dead cap weight completely and no shot of LTIR.


    Hickey and Komarov are not dead weight. Komarov is a good 3rd line winger or 4th line center/winger. Hickey is a 6th/7th defenseman that, in my opinion, could be the wings 2LHD, overtaking Staal in your depth chart.
    1 août 2021 à 23 h 12
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    Quoting: BStinson
    Doubtful on Detroit side.

    It equates to 7.5M of cap from Tarasenko plus two additional cap dumps with no roster spot for them. This would be considered dead cap weight completely and no shot of LTIR.


    Probably could get more but it's not awful, gotta remember the depth of this draft, a first is worth more this year than last I feel
    1 août 2021 à 23 h 14
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    Quoting: DiehardRedWingsFan58
    laugh laugh Detroit's not retaining $3,750,000 x 2 on Vladimir Tarasenko for 2 cap dumps and a late 1st round pick. Need to offer us far better then this.


    With the depth of this draft, it's not awful
    1 août 2021 à 23 h 45
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    Quoting: BobbyD
    Hickey and Komarov are not dead weight. Komarov is a good 3rd line winger or 4th line center/winger. Hickey is a 6th/7th defenseman that, in my opinion, could be the wings 2LHD, overtaking Staal in your depth chart.

    Hickey and Komarov are dead weight, Yzerman already added a forward after his press conference where he said he wasn’t adding to the blue line and adding one forward. Hickey has played a grand total of 5 nhl games the past two seasons, I wish him well based on what he’s going through but he’s dead weight to Detroit. If they’re useful to you then pawn them off on someone else. You still need to factor 7.5M cap in regards to taking a retained spot (one of which is going to Panik for 2 years) so we’d have one retain slot for two years. Let’s also look at deadcap, who is the most recent comp? Marleau, 6.25M AAV and 3.8M cash this is more than both (especially cash).


    Quoting: Lancebmx
    Probably could get more but it's not awful, gotta remember the depth of this draft, a first is worth more this year than last I feel

    Definitely could get more, without question.
    2 août 2021 à 0 h 40
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    The 1st is what it would cost for Detroit to take Komarov and Hickey off your books. They are both pure cap dumps to us, we have no roster spots open for them and they would have to be buried in Grand Rapids.

    Retaining 7.5 millions over two years on Tarasenko would be very expensive. We already have one of the retention slots taken with Pánik the next two years and we have 6 players on expiring contracts that we may want to trade at the deadline and we need the remaining two retention slots ourselves. I would not retain for two years unless I was offered two 1sts.

    Detroit declines unless the return is three 1st round picks.

    The limitation on the number of concurrent retentions that are allowed is the limiting factor here.

    With one of the three slots already taken and with us having 6 expiring contracts that we may have to trade we don't want to give away one of the remaining two slots unless it's for a massive overpayment.
    2 août 2021 à 1 h 39
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    Quoting: Billy12Bob
    The 1st is what it would cost for Detroit to take Komarov and Hickey off your books. They are both pure cap dumps to us, we have no roster spots open for them and they would have to be buried in Grand Rapids.

    Retaining 7.5 millions over two years on Tarasenko would be very expensive. We already have one of the retention slots taken with Pánik the next two years and we have 6 players on expiring contracts that we may want to trade at the deadline and we need the remaining two retention slots ourselves. I would not retain for two years unless I was offered two 1sts.

    Detroit declines unless the return is three 1st round picks.

    The limitation on the number of concurrent retentions that are allowed is the limiting factor here.

    With one of the three slots already taken and with us having 6 expiring contracts that we may have to trade we don't want to give away one of the remaining two slots unless it's for a massive overpayment.


    You drastically undervalue first round picks. Three first round picks is roughly the price for Eichel, I don’t think it’d cost Eichel to get rid of two NHLers on contracts which they are overplayed by ~1million dollars.
    2 août 2021 à 2 h 23
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    Quoting: DiehardRedWingsFan58
    laugh laugh Detroit's not retaining $3,750,000 x 2 on Vladimir Tarasenko for 2 cap dumps and a late 1st round pick. Need to offer us far better then this.


    A late first round pick is better than no first round pick. Isles just got Aatu Raty with the 52nd pick. Salary retention and two players who will play on the majors this year on expiring contracts that the Wings can also flip at the deadline for more picks? And the 1st round pick? Sure, Yzerman would do that.
    2 août 2021 à 5 h 20
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    Quoting: BobbyD
    You drastically undervalue first round picks. Three first round picks is roughly the price for Eichel, I don’t think it’d cost Eichel to get rid of two NHLers on contracts which they are overplayed by ~1million dollars.


    You're totally missing the point here!

    There's a limit to how many players a team is allowed to retain salary on, no more than three at any one time.

    Detroit have already used one for both this upcoming season and the next one.

    If we were to retain on Tarasenko for two years that would mean that we only would have one more retention slot available both next season and the one after.

    Detroit have 6 veteran players on expiring contracts! Several of these, 3 or four of them, will have to be traded at the deadline.

    We need the ability to retain salary on our own players in order to make those deadline deals!

    It would seriously hinder our ability to trade players at the deadline if we give away half the retention slots we have both for this coming season and the next one!

    It is the scarcity of retention slots that drives the price up in this case.

    Detroit can NOT destroy their ability to trade their own players in order to please the Islanders.

    The price for using one retention slot for two years is so high because we only have two and we have a need for them ourselves.

    The $$ have absolutely no bearing at all on the price in this case, it is utterly irrelevant.
     
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