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Tactical Going For It

Créé par: csick
Date de création initiale: aoû 1, 2021
Publié: 1 aoû à 11 h 54
Équipe: 2021-22 Sénateurs d'Ottawa
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
Batherson, Drake23 000 000 $
Gustavsson, Filip2900 000 $
Brown, Logan1900 000 $
Mete, Victor21 500 000 $
Tkachuk, Brady88 500 000 $
Transactions
OTT
  1. Hertl, Tomas
Détails additionnels:
Hertl signs 6 years at 7.25 per
SJS
  1. Thomson, Lassi
  2. Tierney, Chris
  3. Greig, Ridly
  4. 2022 1e round pick (OTT)
Détails additionnels:
Top 3 protected

Tierney to make the cap closer. If you guys want White, we can make it happen too
Rachats de contrats
  • Bobby Ryan: 3 583 333 $
  • Dion Phaneuf: 354 167 $
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
2022
OTT
TBL
OTT
BOS
VAN
OTT
OTT
OTT
OTT
NYI
SJS
2023
OTT
OTT
OTT
OTT
OTT
OTT
OTT
NSH
2024
OTT
OTT
OTT
OTT
OTT
OTT
OTT
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2381 500 000 $66 825 000 $0 $4 507 500 $14 675 000 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
OTT
Tkachuk, Brady
8 500 000 $
AG, C
RFA
OTT
Norris, Joshua
925 000 $
C
RFA - 1
OTT
Batherson, Drake
3 000 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 6
OTT
Stützle, Tim
925 000 $
C, AG
RFA - 2
SJS
Hertl, Tomas
5 625 000 $
C, AD
NTC
UFA - 1
OTT
White, Colin
4 750 000 $
AD, C
UFA - 4
OTT
Formenton, Alex
747 500 $
AG
RFA - 1
OTT
Pinto, Shane
925 000 $
C
RFA - 2
OTT
Brown, Connor
3 600 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 2
OTT
Paul, Nicholas
1 350 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 1
OTT
Kelly, Parker
726 667 $
C, AG
RFA - 1
OTT
Watson, Austin
1 500 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 2
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
OTT
Chabot, Thomas
8 000 000 $
DG
UFA - 7
OTT
Zaitsev, Nikita
4 500 000 $
DD
NTC
UFA - 3
OTT
Murray, Matt
6 250 000 $
G
NTC
UFA - 3
OTT
Brännström, Erik
863 333 $
DD
RFA - 1
OTT
Zub, Artem
2 500 000 $
DD
UFA - 2
OTT
Forsberg, Anton
900 000 $
G
UFA - 1
OTT
Del Zotto, Michael
2 000 000 $
DG
UFA - 2
OTT
Mete, Victor
1 500 000 $
DG/DD
RFA - 1
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
OTT
Holden, Nick
1 700 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
OTT
Brown, Joshua
1 200 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
OTT
Brown, Logan
900 000 $
C
RFA - 1

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1 aoû à 11 h 57
#1
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I'd do that if Hertl signed for that but I expect him to get significantly more.
1 aoû à 11 h 58
#2
sensonfire
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You're overpaying San Jose by quite a bit IMO.

Thomson + one of Greig or Tierney should be enough.


I'm assuming you think Ottawa is on Hertl's three-team trade list.

What do you think are the other two teams?

If you were to take a guess smile
1 aoû à 11 h 59
#3
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KFTW
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Quoting: sensonfire
I'm assuming you think Ottawa is on Hertl's three-team trade list.

What do you think are the other two teams?

If you were to take a guess smile


Did u know Zaitsev didn’t have Ottawa on his list and still came here? Players can be persuaded
1 aoû à 12 h 07
#4
sensonfire
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Quoting: csick
Did u know Zaitsev didn’t have Ottawa on his list and still came here? Players can be persuaded


What Zaitsev had was a list of 10 teams to which you can't trade him.

Because Ottawa was at rock bottom when he was traded in 2019, Ottawa was one of those 10 teams until Zaitsev decided to waive his no-trade list.



Zaitsev did it because his former Assistant coach with the Leafs, DJ Smith, became Ottawa's head coach and Zaitsev liked playing for him.

Also, fellow team-mate Connor Brown was included in the trade to Ottawa as well.



The incentives were there for Zaitsev to come to Ottawa.

I'm not sure what incentives there are for Hertl.



Also, you're overpaying San Jose by quite a bit IMO.

Thomson + one of Greig or Tierney should be enough.
1 aoû à 12 h 08
#5
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KFTW
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Quoting: sensonfire
What Zaitsev had was a list of 10 teams to which you can't trade him.

Because Ottawa was at rock bottom when he was traded in 2019, Ottawa was one of those 10 teams until Zaitsev decided to waive his no-trade list.



Zaitsev did it because his former Assistant coach with the Leafs, DJ Smith, became Ottawa's head coach and Zaitsev liked playing for him.

Also, fellow team-mate Connor Brown was included in the trade to Ottawa as well.



The incentives were there for Zaitsev to come to Ottawa.

I'm not sure what incentives there are for Hertl.



Also, you're overpaying San Jose by quite a bit IMO.

Thomson + one of Greig or Tierney should be enough.


Hertl is a point per game player almost. It would absolutely cost 3 solid pieces . His incentive is to come and lead an up and coming team that’s going to be very good
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1 aoû à 12 h 14
#6
sensonfire
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Quoting: csick
Hertl is a point per game player almost. It would absolutely cost 3 solid pieces . His incentive is to come and lead an up and coming team that’s going to be very good


If Hertl costs 3 solid pieces, then that's what we should have got from Vegas for Mark Stone or from Columbus for Matt Duchene.


I'd also be very wary about trading a 2022 1st round pick that has less lottery protection than the 2018/2019 1st round pick we spent to get Duchene from Colorado smile
1 aoû à 12 h 17
#7
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Quoting: sensonfire
You're overpaying San Jose by quite a bit IMO.

Thomson + one of Greig or Tierney should be enough.


I'm assuming you think Ottawa is on Hertl's three-team trade list.

What do you think are the other two teams?

If you were to take a guess smile


I can't tell if you're ridiculously undervaluing Hertl, or drastically overvaluing Thomson and Tierney. Those two pieces aren't close at all in value to Hertl. If it's Greig it's not good.
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1 aoû à 12 h 26
#8
sensonfire
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Quoting: Claesson4Norris
I can't tell if you're ridiculously undervaluing Hertl, or drastically overvaluing Thomson and Tierney. Those two pieces aren't close at all in value to Hertl. If it's Greig it's not good.


I'm just evaluating Hertl using the Mark Stone trade with Vegas and the Matt Duchene trade with Columbus as benchmarks.

If those two trades were fair, then this one for Hertl is an overpayment.



When we're paying a 1st round pick with less lottery protection than the 1st round pick we gave Colorado, that's a red flag for me.

I only want the best for Ottawa smile
1 aoû à 12 h 28
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Quoting: sensonfire
What Zaitsev had was a list of 10 teams to which you can't trade him.

Because Ottawa was at rock bottom when he was traded in 2019, Ottawa was one of those 10 teams until Zaitsev decided to waive his no-trade list.



Zaitsev did it because his former Assistant coach with the Leafs, DJ Smith, became Ottawa's head coach and Zaitsev liked playing for him.

Also, fellow team-mate Connor Brown was included in the trade to Ottawa as well.



The incentives were there for Zaitsev to come to Ottawa.

I'm not sure what incentives there are for Hertl.



Also, you're overpaying San Jose by quite a bit IMO.

Thomson + one of Greig or Tierney should be enough.


San Jose is in a downward spiral with multiple albatross contracts weighing them down. Ottawa is on the rise.
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1 aoû à 12 h 31
#10
sensonfire
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Quoting: sens65
San Jose is in a downward spiral with multiple albatross contracts weighing them down. Ottawa is on the rise.


When Ottawa traded for Matt Duchene, we had no idea we would be headed for a downward spiral.

Just FYI.
1 aoû à 12 h 31
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Quoting: sensonfire
I'm just evaluating Hertl using the Mark Stone trade with Vegas and the Matt Duchene trade with Columbus as benchmarks.

If those two trades were fair, then this one for Hertl is an overpayment.



When we're paying a 1st round pick with less lottery protection than the 1st round pick we gave Colorado, that's a red flag for me.

I only want the best for Ottawa smile


You can't judge a deal like this off trade deadline deals from 2019.
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1 aoû à 12 h 31
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Quoting: sensonfire
I'm just evaluating Hertl using the Mark Stone trade with Vegas and the Matt Duchene trade with Columbus as benchmarks.

If those two trades were fair, then this one for Hertl is an overpayment.



When we're paying a 1st round pick with less lottery protection than the 1st round pick we gave Colorado, that's a red flag for me.

I only want the best for Ottawa smile


Edit: ignore double post
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1 aoû à 12 h 37
#13
sensonfire
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Quoting: Claesson4Norris
You can't judge a deal like this off trade deadline deals from 2019.


When Stone was traded to Vegas, he immediately signed an extension.

All we got from it is Brannstrom and a really late 2nd round pick.



If there's another trade that serves as a better comparable to judge this one for Hertl, please tell me smile
1 aoû à 14 h 32
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Thompson and Greig are worth pretty little to me. Id ask for one of your more legit prospects like Pinto or no deal
1 aoû à 14 h 34
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tierny greg and the 1st is a fair value you add thompson and it’s an overpay. sharks should consider especially with kane and the issues about gambling we should chok this season up for rebuild.
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1 aoû à 20 h 13
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SJ does not need or want Tierney 3.5M. If you want to throw him in to balance the cap fine but he is not an asset in a hertl deal. Young C under 24, Prospect and a 1st at a minimum.
 
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