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Avs Trade for Kerfoot

Créé par: GalacticHitchhiker
Date de création initiale: jui 31, 2021
Publié: 31 jui à 10 h 17
Équipe: 2021-22 Avalanche du Colorado
Explications
Avs get the pick upgrade to retain a bit on Compher, getting the Leafs under the cap.

That contract might not be enough for Murray, but the point is Avs use their remaining cap space to grab a UFA 3rd pairing D.

I await your derision with baited breath.
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
UFAANSCAP HIT
Murray, Ryan22 250 000 $
Transactions
COL
  1. Kerfoot, Alexander
  2. 2022 2e round pick (TOR)
TOR
  1. Compher, J.T. (1 500 000 $ retained)
  2. 2022 5e round pick (COL)
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
  • J.T. Compher: 1 500 000 $ (42.86%)
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
2022
TOR
COL
COL
COL
2023
COL
COL
COL
COL
COL
COL
2024
COL
COL
COL
COL
COL
COL
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2281 500 000 $81 003 130 $1 741 463 $3 432 500 $496 870 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
COL
Landeskog, Gabriel
7 000 000 $
AG, C
NMC
UFA - 8
COL
MacKinnon, Nathan
6 300 000 $
C, AD
NTC
UFA - 2
COL
Rantanen, Mikko
9 250 000 $
AD
UFA - 4
COL
Newhook, Alex
908 333 $
C
RFA - 2
COL
Kadri, Nazem
4 500 000 $
C
NTC
UFA - 1
COL
Burakovsky, André
4 900 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
TOR
Kerfoot, Alexander
3 500 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 2
COL
Jost, Tyson
2 000 000 $
C, AG, AD
RFA - 2
COL
Nichushkin, Valeri
2 500 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
COL
Maltsev, Mikhail
809 167 $
AG
RFA - 1
COL
Helm, Darren
1 000 000 $
C, AG, AD
UFA - 1
COL
O'Connor, Logan
725 000 $
AD
UFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
COL
Girard, Samuel
5 000 000 $
DG
UFA - 6
COL
Makar, Cale
9 000 000 $
DD
UFA - 6
COL
Kuemper, Darcy
3 500 000 $
G
UFA - 1
COL
Toews, Devon
4 100 000 $
DG
UFA - 3
COL
Johnson, Erik
6 000 000 $
DD
NMC NTC
UFA - 2
COL
Francouz, Pavel
2 000 000 $
G
UFA - 1
COL
Byram, Bowen
894 167 $
DG
RFA - 2
Murray, Ryan
2 250 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
COL
MacDermid, Kurtis
875 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 1
COL
Sherwood, Kiefer
750 000 $
AD, C
UFA - 1

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31 jui à 10 h 22
#1
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the trade would turn into Kadri and a 2nd for Compher...
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31 jui à 10 h 33
#2
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Leafs are under the cap without moving Kerfoot with a 2nd, no point to this trade from the Leafs perspective, it's lateral at best more like poor asset management now
31 jui à 10 h 34
#3
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Avs shouldn't be retaining anything - who cares about a 2nd round pick
31 jui à 10 h 36
#4
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Quoting: Boomer125
Leafs are under the cap without moving Kerfoot with a 2nd, no point to this trade from the Leafs perspective, it's lateral at best more like poor asset management now


Leafs are 1.4M over the cap at present after the Ritchie signing. Sure, you can get under the cap running no scratches, but if they want any flexibility they’ll have to make a move.
31 jui à 10 h 38
#5
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Quoting: moli92
Avs shouldn't be retaining anything - who cares about a 2nd round pick


Avs prospect pool will be very shallow very soon if they continue to trade away top 100 picks. 2nd round picks turn into cheap ELC players that can extend your window. Kerfoot is a better fit for the Avs middle 6 at this point, so I don’t mind retaining some $$ as opposed to trying to find value at the bottom of the UFA barrel.
31 jui à 10 h 39
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The trade doesnt do anything for either side...pluys retaining is a bad move, so you made Kerfoot a 5m man bc of this? Thats just bad cap management
31 jui à 10 h 39
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Quoting: GalacticHitchhiker
Leafs are 1.4M over the cap at present after the Ritchie signing. Sure, you can get under the cap running no scratches, but if they want any flexibility they’ll have to make a move.


They've literally run a 20 man roster 2 years straight now, and Kase will end up on LTIR he always does, they'll likely lose 1or 2 of the 4 fringe NHL depth players to waivers the remaining will play on the Marlies, if there's a move out there it's Dermott out and a million dollar vet RHD or Lilly to fill that spot, the 2nd in this trade is too much and unnecessary
31 jui à 10 h 41
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Quoting: GalacticHitchhiker
Avs prospect pool will be very shallow very soon if they continue to trade away top 100 picks. 2nd round picks turn into cheap ELC players that can extend your window. Kerfoot is a better fit for the Avs middle 6 at this point, so I don’t mind retaining some $$ as opposed to trying to find value at the bottom of the UFA barrel.


This limits the Avs cup chances in the next 2 years for a player who likely won't be ready until at least 2024. You're essentially paying Kerfoot 5M per year and he's just not worth that. Avs can restock picks later, it's time to win now
31 jui à 10 h 46
#9
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Quoting: coga16
The trade doesnt do anything for either side...pluys retaining is a bad move, so you made Kerfoot a 5m man bc of this? Thats just bad cap management


Avs need someone in their middle 6, and Kerfoot is better than JTC at this stage. Spending the 1.5M via retainment for 2 years is better than paying the scraps that are left in UFA, IMO.
31 jui à 10 h 47
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Quoting: Boomer125
They've literally run a 20 man roster 2 years straight now, and Kase will end up on LTIR he always does, they'll likely lose 1or 2 of the 4 fringe NHL depth players to waivers the remaining will play on the Marlies, if there's a move out there it's Dermott out and a million dollar vet RHD or Lilly to fill that spot, the 2nd in this trade is too much and unnecessary


Okay fair. I don’t follow the Leafs that closely to know their roster habits. I’d just heard they were considering moving Kerfoot earlier in the summer, and figured I’d throw an idea out there.
31 jui à 10 h 51
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Quoting: moli92
This limits the Avs cup chances in the next 2 years for a player who likely won't be ready until at least 2024. You're essentially paying Kerfoot 5M per year and he's just not worth that. Avs can restock picks later, it's time to win now


This is a win-now move for the Avs. Kerfoot can step onto the 2nd line much easier than Compher can when the need comes. Avs gotta find a guy like that, and pickings are extremely thin in UFA. They have to spend money on a forward if they want to have insurance for injuries or underperformance on the 2nd line, and this is cheaper in both money and term than getting Tatar would be.
31 jui à 10 h 51
#12
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Someone trading for kerfoot??? I was told he's not even a NHLer.

But to be honest I think kerfoot spot was secured in the expansion draft. I think we move one of engvall Dermott
31 jui à 10 h 52
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It's a good thought. Leafs would like the 1.5m cap saving. Trouble is the Leafs really need Kerfoot at this point for centre security. Kampf is strickly a defensive centre, and the other Leaf centre candidates are iffy NHlers now
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31 jui à 10 h 52
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Quoting: GalacticHitchhiker
Avs need someone in their middle 6, and Kerfoot is better than JTC at this stage. Spending the 1.5M via retainment for 2 years is better than paying the scraps that are left in UFA, IMO.


So avs are being slacked about being too small and too soft and we add one of the tiniest guys you can in kerfoot who is soft as well

That’s a bad middle 6 target not addressing avs weaknesses, just double down on. More the same
31 jui à 10 h 55
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Quoting: coga16
So avs are being slacked about being too small and too soft and we add one of the tiniest guys you can in kerfoot who is soft as well

That’s a bad middle 6 target not addressing avs weaknesses, just double down on. More the same


I do not subscribe to the ‘too soft, too small’ narrative. The toughness the Avs need is mental, IMO, not physical. But that’s a debate that’s not going to get solved in any thread, so to each their own.
31 jui à 10 h 56
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Quoting: DroverD2
Someone trading for kerfoot??? I was told he's not even a NHLer.

But to be honest I think kerfoot spot was secured in the expansion draft. I think we move one of engvall Dermott


You've been reading too many CapFriendly posts. So many Leafs fans think there bottom six are the cause of any failings of the Leafs and that other teams bottom sixers are great. Kerfoot seems to have poor hands for scoring. But certainly very responsible defensively. And he can be creative offensively though the production isn't there. In the playoffs when he played 2C, I believe he was the Leafs top scorer.
31 jui à 10 h 56
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Quoting: GalacticHitchhiker
This is a win-now move for the Avs. Kerfoot can step onto the 2nd line much easier than Compher can when the need comes. Avs gotta find a guy like that, and pickings are extremely thin in UFA. They have to spend money on a forward if they want to have insurance for injuries or underperformance on the 2nd line, and this is cheaper in both money and term than getting Tatar would be.


How is it cheaper than Tatar? Saad only got 4.5 and had a better season. I bet Tatar comes in around the same AAV if not lower. Maybe it takes more term but that's fine if it gets a better player for cheaper. Plus I don't think Kerfoot is someone we want on the 2nd line anyway - neither Compher or Kerfoot is an ideal solution there so I don't think it's worth taking on the extra cap hit
31 jui à 11 h 06
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Quoting: Caniac2000
the trade would turn into Kadri and a 2nd for Compher...


The trade would be Avs got 2 years of Kadri, and then 2 years of Kerfoot and a second rounder. Leafs got 2 years of Kerfoot, 1 year of Kadri, 1 year of Barrie and 2 years of Compher, the Leafs got some Barrie and Compher retention.
31 jui à 11 h 07
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Quoting: GalacticHitchhiker
Avs need someone in their middle 6, and Kerfoot is better than JTC at this stage. Spending the 1.5M via retainment for 2 years is better than paying the scraps that are left in UFA, IMO.


Based on what? Compher literally had the worst year of his career last year, yet over the last 2yrs they have almost identical offensive production. Compher’s xGA, and xGD are significantly better, and on top of that the Avs get railed for being soft and let’s just say Kerfoot isn’t winning any physicality contests between the two. But most importantly the Avs have been here before and chose Compher over Kerfoot they aren’t changing their minds now and they sure as heck aren’t retaining salary in any trade as you clearly saw in the Kuemper trade.
31 jui à 11 h 44
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Quoting: palhal
You've been reading too many CapFriendly posts. So many Leafs fans think there bottom six are the cause of any failings of the Leafs and that other teams bottom sixers are great. Kerfoot seems to have poor hands for scoring. But certainly very responsible defensively. And he can be creative offensively though the production isn't there. In the playoffs when he played 2C, I believe he was the Leafs top scorer.


2nd behind Nylander which was on the 2nd line with him

I'm more taking the piss out of a guy who told me kerfoot isn't a NHLer to him/her. I love kerfoot even before the playoffs. And I think hes a player who people were too willing to give up to Seattle.

He's useful as a trade piece because his contract is mostly paid too
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31 jui à 14 h 34
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Quoting: moli92
How is it cheaper than Tatar? Saad only got 4.5 and had a better season. I bet Tatar comes in around the same AAV if not lower. Maybe it takes more term but that's fine if it gets a better player for cheaper. Plus I don't think Kerfoot is someone we want on the 2nd line anyway - neither Compher or Kerfoot is an ideal solution there so I don't think it's worth taking on the extra cap hit


Middle 6 Tatar at ~4.5 + bottom 6 JTC at 3.5 = ~8
Middle 6 Kerf at 3.5 + 1.5 retained + bottom 6 ELC = ~ 6

I agree, neither Kerfoot nor JTC would be ideal in the top 6 if Newhook can’t hack it or when there’s an injury. But I think Compher has proven he’s definitely NOT that guy the last two years, whereas Kerfoot’s playmaking skill set MIGHT fit nicely next to Kadri and Burakovsky. And the Avs get some draft capital.

But I’ll admit, I’m probably a bit in “grass is greener on the other side” mentality here.

Quoting: Xqb15a
Based on what? Compher literally had the worst year of his career last year, yet over the last 2yrs they have almost identical offensive production. Compher’s xGA, and xGD are significantly better, and on top of that the Avs get railed for being soft and let’s just say Kerfoot isn’t winning any physicality contests between the two. But most importantly the Avs have been here before and chose Compher over Kerfoot they aren’t changing their minds now and they sure as heck aren’t retaining salary in any trade as you clearly saw in the Kuemper trade.


I can’t find any good xG stats not behind a paywall to verify, but Kerfoot has produced at a slightly higher rate over their careers. Maybe I’m just looking to make a creative change and would like to see how Kerfoot’s playmaking would do on the Avs who are pretty devoid of playmakers outside their top line. The Avs chose Compher two years ago and he hasn’t lived up to the contract they gave him, so with their roster in a different place, I think Kerfoot might be a better fit. I’ll admit, though, that I thought Kerfoot has been producing better with the Leafs than he actually has been.
31 jui à 15 h 56
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Quoting: GalacticHitchhiker
Middle 6 Tatar at ~4.5 + bottom 6 JTC at 3.5 = ~8
Middle 6 Kerf at 3.5 + 1.5 retained + bottom 6 ELC = ~ 6

I agree, neither Kerfoot nor JTC would be ideal in the top 6 if Newhook can’t hack it or when there’s an injury. But I think Compher has proven he’s definitely NOT that guy the last two years, whereas Kerfoot’s playmaking skill set MIGHT fit nicely next to Kadri and Burakovsky. And the Avs get some draft capital.

But I’ll admit, I’m probably a bit in “grass is greener on the other side” mentality here.


Why not Tatar at 4.5 + ELC for a total of 5.5, and move JTC? Save money and get a better player
31 jui à 18 h 42
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Quoting: moli92
Why not Tatar at 4.5 + ELC for a total of 5.5, and move JTC? Save money and get a better player


Because Tatar literally disappears in the playoffs and about the last the Avs need is a guy who has not only a history of disappearing in the playoffs but getting scratched.
31 jui à 18 h 50
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Quoting: GalacticHitchhiker
Middle 6 Tatar at ~4.5 + bottom 6 JTC at 3.5 = ~8
Middle 6 Kerf at 3.5 + 1.5 retained + bottom 6 ELC = ~ 6

I agree, neither Kerfoot nor JTC would be ideal in the top 6 if Newhook can’t hack it or when there’s an injury. But I think Compher has proven he’s definitely NOT that guy the last two years, whereas Kerfoot’s playmaking skill set MIGHT fit nicely next to Kadri and Burakovsky. And the Avs get some draft capital.

But I’ll admit, I’m probably a bit in “grass is greener on the other side” mentality here.



I can’t find any good xG stats not behind a paywall to verify, but Kerfoot has produced at a slightly higher rate over their careers. Maybe I’m just looking to make a creative change and would like to see how Kerfoot’s playmaking would do on the Avs who are pretty devoid of playmakers outside their top line. The Avs chose Compher two years ago and he hasn’t lived up to the contract they gave him, so with their roster in a different place, I think Kerfoot might be a better fit. I’ll admit, though, that I thought Kerfoot has been producing better with the Leafs than he actually has been.


Kerfoot last year xGF 12.8, Compher 10.9
Kerfoot is a better offensive player imo, however he is a perimeter player and remember his 2 best seasons offensively were with the Avs. Love Kerfoot and his heart but part of the appeal of Saad in the Avs was his ability to play in those hard to play areas, not Kerfoot’s forte. Creative idea just not the right fit imo.
 
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