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3-way with Buffalo and Boston

Créé par: Ledge_And_Dairy
Date de création initiale: 30 juill. 2021
Publié: 30 juill. 2021
Équipe: 2021-22 Flames de Calgary
Explications
To Calgary
- Eichel

To Boston
- Monahan

To Buffalo
- Dube
- Zary
- 2022 1st
- 2023 2nd (conditional on Jacks health)

- DeBrusk
- Moore (cap reasons mostly)
- 2022 1st
- Vaakanainen

Calgary gets their long sought after 1C

Boston gets their replacement 2C for Krejci who should be able to build similar chemistry with Hall that he did with Gaudreau

Buffalo gets a few good young players in DeBrusk and Dube and a lot of futures
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
Zadorov, Nikita13 500 000 $
Välimäki, Juuso1875 000 $
Kylington, Oliver11 000 000 $
Gawdin, Glenn2800 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
Stone, Michael1750 000 $
Transactions
1.
CGY
  1. DeBrusk, Jake
  2. Moore, John
  3. Vaakanainen, Urho
  4. 2022 1e round pick (BOS)
BOS
  1. Monahan, Sean
Détails additionnels:
Part of 3-way trade
2.
CGY
  1. Eichel, Jack
BUF
  1. DeBrusk, Jake
  2. Moore, John
  3. Vaakanainen, Urho
  4. Dubé, Dillon [Droits de RFA]
  5. Zary, Connor
  6. 2022 1e round pick (BOS)
  7. 2022 1e round pick (CGY)
  8. 2023 2e round pick (CGY)
Détails additionnels:
Condition on 2023 2nd based on Eichel's health
Rachats de contrats
  • Troy Brouwer: 1 500 000 $
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
2022
CGY
FLA
CGY
CGY
2023
CGY
CGY
CGY
CGY
CGY
CGY
2024
CGY
CGY
CGY
CGY
CGY
CGY
CGY
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2381 500 000 $80 738 333 $0 $0 $761 667 $

Formation

Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
CGY
Gaudreau, Johnny
6 750 000 $
AG
NTC
UFA - 1
BUF
Eichel, Jack
10 000 000 $
C
UFA - 5
CGY
Tkachuk, Matthew
7 000 000 $
AG, AD
RFA - 1
CGY
Mangiapane, Andrew
2 425 000 $
AG, AD
RFA - 1
CGY
Lindholm, Elias
4 850 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 3
CGY
Coleman, Blake
4 900 000 $
AG, AD
NTC
UFA - 6
CGY
Pelletier, Jakob
863 333 $
C
RFA - 3
CGY
Backlund, Mikael
5 350 000 $
C
NTC
UFA - 3
CGY
Pitlick, Tyler
1 750 000 $
AD
UFA - 1
CGY
Lucic, Milan
5 250 000 $
AG
NMC NTC
UFA - 2
CGY
Gawdin, Glenn
800 000 $
C, AD
RFA - 1
CGY
Lewis, Trevor
800 000 $
AD
UFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
CGY
Hanifin, Noah
4 950 000 $
DG
UFA - 3
CGY
Andersson, Rasmus
4 550 000 $
DD
UFA - 5
CGY
Markström, Jacob
6 000 000 $
G
NMC
UFA - 5
CGY
Zadorov, Nikita
3 500 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 1
CGY
Tanev, Christopher
4 500 000 $
DD
NTC
UFA - 3
CGY
Vladar, Daniel
750 000 $
G
RFA - 2
CGY
Välimäki, Juuso
875 000 $
DG
RFA - 2
Stone, Michael
750 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
CGY
Kylington, Oliver
1 000 000 $
DG
RFA - 1
CGY
Froese, Byron
725 000 $
C
UFA - 1
CGY
Ritchie, Brett
900 000 $
AD
UFA - 1

Unités spéciales

Avantage numérique 1
Gaudreau, J.
Lindholm, E.
Tkachuk, M.
Hanifin, N.
Eichel, J.
Avantage numérique 2
Pelletier, J.
Backlund, M.
Lucic, M.
Välimäki, J.
Mangiapane, A.
Infériorité numérique 1
Lindholm, E.
Coleman, B.
Zadorov, N.
Tanev, C.
Infériorité numérique 2
Backlund, M.
Pitlick, T.
Välimäki, J.
Stone, M.

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30 juill. 2021 à 17 h 54
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Done. Send in the paperwork...
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30 juill. 2021 à 17 h 55
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Why don't the Bruins just trade for Eichel instead?
30 juill. 2021 à 17 h 56
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Quoting: PeterForsberg21
Why don't the Bruins just trade for Eichel instead?


1. division rival, Pegula is on record saying he will only trade him out west
2. Boston doesn't have the assets (without gutting important roster players)
30 juill. 2021 à 17 h 59
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Way too complicated, too many moving parts. Unrealistic
30 juill. 2021 à 18 h 13
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I'm in.

Quoting: BobbyD
Way too complicated, too many moving parts. Unrealistic


Huh? BUF is the only team who has to figure out the pieces here. BOS and CGY get one player back each. + BOS does not have the assets to trade for Eichel, or the cap space to make it work.

The word is BUF wants a big package of young assets. That's what's happening here. They get more than four 1st rounders in value (1st + 1st + Dube + Zary), plus they get a couple players for cap purposes who could also get flipped for assets at the trade deadline. This isn't a complicated structure. And in fact, the more you look at things, the more it makes sense for the Eichel trade to be a 3-way deal.

CGY wants to move on from Monahan...BUF is handcuffed and needs to trade Eichel for the best package available...and BOS needs a 2C to replace Krejci's gaping hole.
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30 juill. 2021 à 18 h 16
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Quoting: Tkachinla
I'm in.



Huh? BUF is the only team who has to figure out the pieces here. BOS and CGY get one player back each. + BOS does not have the assets to trade for Eichel, or the cap space to make it work.

The word is BUF wants a big package of young assets. That's what's happening here. They get more than four 1st rounders in value (1st + 1st + Dube + Zary), plus they get a couple players for cap purposes who could also get flipped for assets at the trade deadline. This isn't a complicated structure. And in fact, the more you look at things, the more it makes sense for the Eichel trade to be a 3-way deal.

CGY wants to move on from Monahan...BUF is handcuffed and needs to trade Eichel for the best package available...and BOS needs a 2C to replace Krejci's gaping hole.


Not saying it doesn’t make sense. Saying an 11 piece trade is incredibly unlikely.
30 juill. 2021 à 18 h 18
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Quoting: BobbyD
Way too complicated, too many moving parts. Unrealistic

It’s not really that complicated. It’s just taking the Monahan+Zary+Dube+1st offer that everyone seems to agree is around fair value for Eichel, throwing in a conditional pick because GMs love those, then taking out Monahan to trade him somewhere else and substituting all of those assets into the trade instead. It’s actually incredibly simple lol
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30 juill. 2021 à 18 h 24
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Quoting: PeterForsberg21
Why don't the Bruins just trade for Eichel instead?


Boston don’t have the assets lol.
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30 juill. 2021 à 18 h 52
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I don’t like losing Dube but I like this trade, Calgary would need a third line RW
30 juill. 2021 à 19 h 10
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Quoting: CJets
I don’t like losing Dube but I like this trade, Calgary would need a third line RW


Seems like Treliving and Sutter are very confident that Pitlick will take that spot at 3RW.

Maybe you're referring to 3LW. In which case, yup. But assuming Pelletier doesn't make the team, then you would have $1.0-1.25M in cap space to sign a depth LW while keeping Lucic at 4LW.
30 juill. 2021 à 19 h 12
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
1. division rival, Pegula is on record saying he will only trade him out west
2. Boston doesn't have the assets (without gutting important roster players)


It's tough to make a 2 way trade never mind a 3 way. But you seemed to have done it. Well thought out. Congrats.
30 juill. 2021 à 19 h 45
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Quoting: BobbyD
Way too complicated, too many moving parts. Unrealistic


This is literally way less complicated than Duchene and EK65. Concept is 100% realistic, only question is on the value
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30 juill. 2021 à 19 h 50
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Quoting: CJets
I don’t like losing Dube but I like this trade, Calgary would need a third line RW


Pitlick averaged 2nd line minutes over the last 3 years and has a very strong defense game. Its like adding Frolik from his good years
30 juill. 2021 à 19 h 50
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Quoting: palhal
It's tough to make a 2 way trade never mind a 3 way. But you seemed to have done it. Well thought out. Congrats.


I also forgot to add in Boston definitely doesnt have the cap space. I woulf like some Bruins fans opinions on the trade though
30 juill. 2021 à 21 h 23
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This is legit. Well done 👌
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31 juill. 2021 à 6 h 35
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
This is literally way less complicated than Duchene and EK65. Concept is 100% realistic, only question is on the value


It’s certainly A LOT of pieces
Only Zary is high end though imo, so it’s possible it could get beat - especially if a team like LA, Minny or the Ducks decide to get serious

I wouldn’t be too upset if this were the deal that ends up happening though

I’d prefer the 3rd team wasn’t Boston though….
Don’t wanna help them at all
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1 août 2021 à 19 h 54
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Bruins fan here; I like it. We're giving up what Monahan would cost in a 1v1 trade, essentially just using it as a sweetener for CGY to entice BUF on an Eichel trade and help clear some cap for CGY. We obviously need help down the middle with Krejci leaving. I dont know if I can see Coyle stepping up. Thing with BOS is Don Sweeney is obsessed with internal competition and hoarding our prospects. And I personally think they try to play it out using a mix of Haula, Coyle, Studnicka at 2C before they even think about reverting to a trade. But I'd be glad if this happened for everyone. Eichel finally gets out of BUF, BOS gets their 2C, CGY gets 1C and BUF gets A LOT of futures and some young talent who can contribute right away.
14 août 2021 à 12 h 11
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@Ledge_And_Dairy That would be quite the return for Eichel.
If I could make one change make it a 2022 second.
Then the Sabres have six picks in the first rounds next year.
The Flames are still giving up a lot to get him.
Monahan, Sean traded to Boston for players and picks
Dubé, Dillon [RFA Rights] third line center
Zary, Connor high potential of being a top six center
2022 1st round pick (CGY) should be among the last 8 in the draft.
2023 2nd round pick (CGY) so should be nearly a third.
Sabres get two players who would be in the line up next year, Dube and DeBrusk.
Two more prospects who could see action the following year, Vaakanainen and Zary.
For that return, I could see the Sabres holding some of Eichel's salary.
Quoting: Riley816
Done. Send in the paperwork...
You got that right.
Quoting: Buffalove
It’s certainly A LOT of pieces
Only Zary is high end though imo (this is true but there are two other first round picks, Dube and Vaakanainen, while DeBrusk may find more scoring opportunities in Buffalo as well), so it’s possible it could get beat - especially if a team like LA, Minny or the Ducks decide to get serious
I wouldn’t be too upset if this were the deal that ends up happening though
I’d prefer the 3rd team wasn’t Boston though….
Don’t wanna help them at all
I think Boston would be helping Buffalo more than Calgary is helping Boston.
This is a fair return for Monahan:
DeBrusk, Jake underperforming LW
Moore, John IMO a cap dump
Vaakanainen, Urho former first round pick not a huge asset
2022 1st round pick (BOS) Most likely one of the last 8.

One of the best returns for Jack Eichel IMO
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