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ANA fans - whats the cost for Henrique

Créé par: SevenLeg
Équipe: 2021-22 Canadiens de Montréal
Date de création initiale: 30 juill. 2021
Publié: 30 juill. 2021
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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RFAANSCAP HIT
22 750 000 $
32 000 000 $
1874 125 $
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MTL
  1. Henrique, Adam
Détails additionnels:
ANA clears cap space, gets a less productive player on a cheaper and shorter contract as well as a draft pick.
ANA
  1. Byron, Paul
  2. Choix de 3e ronde en 2022 (ANA)
Détails additionnels:
MTL gets their bounce-back candidate middle-six center.
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2381 500 000 $65 094 227 $597 561 $1 475 000 $16 405 773 $
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863 333 $863 333 $ (Bonis de performance537 500 $$538K)
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880 833 $880 833 $ (Bonis de performance300 000 $$300K)
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875 000 $875 000 $
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2 343 750 $2 343 750 $
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10 500 000 $10 500 000 $
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950 000 $950 000 $
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7 857 143 $7 857 143 $
DD
UFA - 5
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950 000 $950 000 $
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30 juill. 2021 à 12 h 43
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They should accept this
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30 juill. 2021 à 12 h 47
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I can only give you a range, aside from saying that I don't think we're interested in a roster player.

I would say a good prospect plus a 2022 second or third, depending upon the prospect.
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30 juill. 2021 à 12 h 49
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I can only give you a range, aside from saying that I don't think we're interested in a roster player.

I would say a good prospect plus a 2022 second or third, depending upon the prospect.


The roster player in this scenario is included solely for cap reasons. Only a few teams can absorb Henrique's entire cap hit.
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
I can only give you a range, aside from saying that I don't think we're interested in a roster player.

I would say a good prospect plus a 2022 second or third, depending upon the prospect.


A good prospect plus a pick for a cap dump? Or is that half retained?

I think this deal is pretty fair.
30 juill. 2021 à 13 h 2
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Quoting: SevenLeg
The roster player in this scenario is included solely for cap reasons. Only a few teams can absorb Henrique's entire cap hit.


I was trying to avoid the obvious alternative suggestions (from others), like Lehkonen or Kulak. I think that our roster is pretty well set.
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A good prospect plus a pick for a cap dump? Or is that half retained?

I think this deal is pretty fair.


Left-handed forwards turning 33 during the season (i.e., one year older than Henrique) aren't on our wish list.
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Retiens 1 millions du salaire de Henrique et je te donne un petit bonbon avec sa.
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
Left-handed forwards turning 33 during the season (i.e., one year older than Henrique) aren't on our wish list.


Fair enough. I think the point is Anaheim saves 2.4M in cap space (3.5M if you bury Byron) and Byron has a year less term on his contract.

Depends on if you think Henrique is worth an average of 4.3M AAV for the next 3 seasons.
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
Left-handed forwards turning 33 during the season (i.e., one year older than Henrique) aren't on our wish list.


I think the fact Henrique was on waivers for free and no one took him, Anaheim has to retain 2 mill for 3 years or take back a bad contract. Byron is shorter than Henrique. It’s really not bad
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I think the fact Henrique was on waivers for free and no one took him, Anaheim has to retain 2 mill for 3 years or take back a bad contract. Byron is shorter than Henrique. It’s really not bad


Yep
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Retiens 1 millions du salaire de Henrique et je te donne un petit bonbon avec sa.


De mémoire, les seules rétentions échelonnées sur trois saisons ou plus sont Phil Kessel en 2015 et Oliver Ekman-Larsson ce mois-ci. C'est assez rare, voire utopique, à moins que des circonstances extérieures forcent une transaction comme ce fut le cas avec Kessel et Ekman-Larsson.
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I think the fact Henrique was on waivers for free and no one took him, Anaheim has to retain 2 mill for 3 years or take back a bad contract. Byron is shorter than Henrique. It’s really not bad


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Yep


Apparently it's escaped your attention that Paul Byron was put on waivers THREE TIMES this past season.
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Apparently it's escaped your attention that Paul Byron was put on waivers THREE TIMES this past season.


None of them were really waivers quality, kinda like Tyler Johnson and Mathieu Perreault. They were just too expensive to get claimed and avoided cheaper players to be taken.
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None of them were really waivers quality, kinda like Tyler Johnson and Mathieu Perreault. They were just too expensive to get claimed and avoided cheaper players to be taken.


Agreed. My point is that people put entirely too much weight on the fact that Henrique cleared waivers this season. So did Nikita Gusev, Victor Mete, Sami Vatanen, Anton Stralman, and Jake Gardiner.
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Agreed. My point is that people put entirely too much weight on the fact that Henrique cleared waivers this season. So did Nikita Gusev, Victor Mete, Sami Vatanen, Anton Stralman, and Jake Gardiner.


Please don't remind me of Victor Mete being put on waivers. What a mistake.
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I think it is unwise to add Henrique since he is under contract for 3 years which covers the Suzuki and Caufield extensions.

At least Byron's contract expires when Caufield needs a deal, or is easily tradeable next year if MTL wants to free up space for Suzuki.
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I think it is unwise to add Henrique since he is under contract for 3 years which covers the Suzuki and Caufield extensions.

At least Byron's contract expires when Caufield needs a deal, or is easily tradeable next year if MTL wants to free up space for Suzuki.


I figured it would mess up some long-term cap decisions, but the market for top 9 centers who fit exactly our cap timeline is extremely thin.
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Apparently it's escaped your attention that Paul Byron was put on waivers THREE TIMES this past season.


I mean they both have negative value contracts. It's like the Lucic/Neal swap.

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De mémoire, les seules rétentions échelonnées sur trois saisons ou plus sont Phil Kessel en 2015 et Oliver Ekman-Larsson ce mois-ci. C'est assez rare, voire utopique, à moins que des circonstances extérieures forcent une transaction comme ce fut le cas avec Kessel et Ekman-Larsson.


True I think it's more cost effective to buyout bad contracts than to retain on them.
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I figured it would mess up some long-term cap decisions, but the market for top 9 centers who fit exactly our cap timeline is extremely thin.


Agreed, I was hoping Getzlaf would come to MTL but that didn't work out.

I am actually ok with going with the youth... Suzuki broke out in playoffs, KK can take a step and I believe in him if he gets a real chance at a top 6 role, Evans showed he is reliable defensively, and Poehling is a dark horse he showed some really good things in Laval last year.

Then there is Paquette and Vejdemo for injury depth.

All that said... I still have a gut feeling Bergevin is serious about trying to get Eichel. This also might cause long term cap problems but at least it is a star player.
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Henrique is not a good target, imo. You could get a similar performance from a number of players for a fraction of the cost, outside of perhaps faceoffs.
I'd stay away.
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Henrique is not a good target, imo. You could get a similar performance from a number of players for a fraction of the cost, outside of perhaps faceoffs.
I'd stay away.


His decline in offensive production was largely due to usage and overall team performances, they basically all stopped scoring. There are certainly better options out there but at a much steeper price. If they are not willing to give up significant assets in a Hertl, Dvorak or even Eichel trade, Henrique remain an interesting low-cost option.
 
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