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Chychrun Dvorak and next season

Créé par: Kartana
Équipe: 2021-22 Coyotes de l'Arizona
Date de création initiale: 30 juill. 2021
Publié: 30 juill. 2021
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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I've seen a lot of offers for Chychrun lately. I'll save everyone some time and say that he is untouchable. End of story. Especially with all the atrocious offers proposed here, but it would still be the same if they were better. He is our cornerstone piece and will be joined by Wright soon.

Montreal fans seem to want Dvorak. Still, no offers worth our time are presented. I'll give my offer that I'd consider. Not saying I'm accepting it, just something to think about. Take it our leave it. We are happy to keep him around otherwise. Really have no reason to trade him. I'm also giving my thought on a return from Minnesota.

I know I'll get scolded. Don't worry, I'm used to it. Most of my offers for Coyotes players have been bashed. In the end I was pretty much right on all of them (at least closest to the final deal). For example, Garland straight up for #8 or #9 in this year's draft. OEL for cap dumps and a 2nd. A 1st + 3rd for Kuemper (even returned more). Not saying I'm right this time, but even so I'm still 3/4.

Lastly, a look at our roster for next season. I think we can surprise, but wouldn't bet on it. Also only seeing Roussel play of the guys from Vancouver and we are probably getting a goalie. Some young guys will also get their chance at some point, if that is sooner or later training camp will decide.
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RFAANSCAP HIT
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1800 000 $
CRÉÉANSCAP HIT
Dvorak, Christian
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Dvorak, Christian
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ARI
  1. Byron, Paul
  2. Guhle, Kaiden
  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2022 (MTL)
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  1. Dvorak, Christian
  2. Choix de 5e ronde en 2022 (ARI)
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  2. Choix de 3e ronde en 2022 (ARI)
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ARI
    Something in return. We like picks.
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    1. Kessel, Phil (3 400 000 $ retained)
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    Any team interested. He wants to leave before the season starts and reportedly BA is trying to make that happen.
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    30 juill. 2021 à 9 h 1
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    Don't think MTL would give up Guhle but Poehling and Harris or Struble would do the trick
    30 juill. 2021 à 9 h 2
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    I’d do this, if the Yotes buy out Byron and he re-signs for cheaper in Montréal.
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    30 juill. 2021 à 9 h 5
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    I agree AZ could surprise, but I just don’t see where the scoring will come from. There’s a pile of solid pieces for the future though
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    30 juill. 2021 à 9 h 9
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    Quoting: NLidstrom
    I agree AZ could surprise, but I just don’t see where the scoring will come from. There’s a pile of solid pieces for the future though


    Totally agree. I just hope we are a tough team to play. I wouldn't think we are just yet, but will be/are hoping to be. That's our only way. Maybe Keller will finally work his magic under a new coach like we saw in his rookie season, but he's almost alone.
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    30 juill. 2021 à 9 h 14
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    Really like those offers for Dvorak. I just don't think he is a guy we should be moving tho, unless it's an offer we cannot refuse (even tho some reason, lots of people here always undervalue him). I really like the trades cause we can get a little more value on what we get back by taking those bad 1 year contracts so good on that end. This team will be atrocious, but for some reason, I feel like they will be fun to watch. and hey, I proposed and predicted the Kuemper trade EXACTLY how it happened and I got scolded too, so don't worry haha.
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    30 juill. 2021 à 9 h 16
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    Quoting: Kotkaniemi15
    I’d do this, if the Yotes buy out Byron and he re-signs for cheaper in Montréal.


    Don’t think the league would allow that again.
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    30 juill. 2021 à 9 h 18
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    Really like those offers for Dvorak. I just don't think he is a guy we should be moving tho, unless it's an offer we cannot refuse (even tho some reason, lots of people here always undervalue him). I really like the trades cause we can get a little more value on what we get back by taking those bad 1 year contracts so good on that end. This team will be atrocious, but for some reason, I feel like they will be fun to watch. and hey, I proposed and predicted the Kuemper trade EXACTLY how it happened and I got scolded too, so don't worry haha.


    I find too many people on this site over value Dvorak. The reason the Yotes would want to move him is his contract compared to his play and worse yet is the money owed on that contract.
    30 juill. 2021 à 9 h 23
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    Quoting: KrispyBBQ
    Really like those offers for Dvorak. I just don't think he is a guy we should be moving tho, unless it's an offer we cannot refuse (even tho some reason, lots of people here always undervalue him). I really like the trades cause we can get a little more value on what we get back by taking those bad 1 year contracts so good on that end. This team will be atrocious, but for some reason, I feel like they will be fun to watch. and hey, I proposed and predicted the Kuemper trade EXACTLY how it happened and I got scolded too, so don't worry haha.


    Haha, for some reason our players dont have any value, but in reality they do. Nice on Kuemper! I like the return and that we finally got that 1st and the fact he returned the same as Reinhart. I agree, I think it will be a team with more compete than we've seen in a long time. It will be bad, but hopefully worth watching. On Dvorak I 100% agree. At this point, especially since Kuemper got us a 1st, I see no reason in trading him. There's more value in having him play for our team and grooming young guys than what we are getting in a trade. When Guenther and other wingers are ready they need a good center to play with. Then we are hopefully getting Wright/Bedard and it will make their transition easier having Dvorak left.
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    30 juill. 2021 à 9 h 28
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    Quoting: GenXHockey
    I find too many people on this site over value Dvorak. The reason the Yotes would want to move him is his contract compared to his play and worse yet is the money owed on that contract.


    I'd agree, it certainty goes both ways. Saw one for a 1st and boldy (I had to convince myself they were trolling.) i just tend to see more people undervaluing than overvalue, especially leafs and bruins fans. However I have noticed less now.
    30 juill. 2021 à 9 h 30
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    Quoting: GenXHockey
    I find too many people on this site over value Dvorak. The reason the Yotes would want to move him is his contract compared to his play and worse yet is the money owed on that contract.


    I've got to disagree. The salary does increase, but it's still a really good contract. Maybe we'll find out, but at this point I don't think so as I really can't see him moved right now.
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    30 juill. 2021 à 9 h 35
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    I've got to disagree. The salary does increase, but it's still a really good contract. Maybe we'll find out, but at this point I don't think so as I really can't see him moved right now.


    Really good contract? Maybe with some extra wiggle room in lineup he can produce more but 4.5m and a career high of 38 points I believe. The fact that he is owed more money than his aav just makes him more attractive to move for the Yotes.
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    Quoting: GenXHockey
    Really good contract? Maybe with some extra wiggle room in lineup he can produce more but 4.5m and a career high of 38 points I believe. The fact that he is owed more money than his aav just makes him more attractive to move for the Yotes.


    I can change that to good. I don't think he is attractive to move for just us, as the 2 Coyotes fans here want to keep him and it's all other teams who are making offers. The points are reality, though. I could try to argue he will produce more with better linesmates and a more offensive team or that he will find a new gear soon, but that's only speculation. He isn't a point machine, but just a very reliable 200 foot center that is an elite #3 or a good #2 signed long term to a contract that is more than fair, still at a young age. It's not everyday those players are availabe so no wonder he's drawing interest.
    30 juill. 2021 à 10 h 21
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    I feel it's alot like Bertuzzi in Detroit. Arizona has no reason to trade him, no one to replace him with, so his value is very high.
    I'm wondering what the value on Keller is though? Hoping he rebounds for the yotes sake, but that's a bunch of money for a guy that hasn't put up elite numbers, still decent numbers but I don't think he's at his salary yet.
    Also I know the ask would be high since there is no one to replace him really.
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    I can change that to good. I don't think he is attractive to move for just us, as the 2 Coyotes fans here want to keep him and it's all other teams who are making offers. The points are reality, though. I could try to argue he will produce more with better linesmates and a more offensive team or that he will find a new gear soon, but that's only speculation. He isn't a point machine, but just a very reliable 200 foot center that is an elite #3 or a good #2 signed long term to a contract that is more than fair, still at a young age. It's not everyday those players are availabe so no wonder he's drawing interest.


    I think what you described as well the fact that he would be cheap to acquire. Risk/reward.

    I think the reason he hasn’t been moved is the value the Yotes put on him compared to offers other GM’s are willing to make.
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    30 juill. 2021 à 10 h 56
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    I feel it's alot like Bertuzzi in Detroit. Arizona has no reason to trade him, no one to replace him with, so his value is very high.
    I'm wondering what the value on Keller is though? Hoping he rebounds for the yotes sake, but that's a bunch of money for a guy that hasn't put up elite numbers, still decent numbers but I don't think he's at his salary yet.
    Also I know the ask would be high since there is no one to replace him really.


    I think you hit the nail on the head. Ask would be high, but the cost shouldn't be that because of his contract. Don't know exactly how it would look, but I think everyone is eager to see how he perfomes with our new coach who is good with younger guys and who can't be worse than Tocchet. Until next season, at least, don't see him moving and have a difficult time setting a price tag due to that. Maybe not the best answer as I think you wanted some kind of value, but I think it's hard to say now.
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    30 juill. 2021 à 11 h 7
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    Christian d isn't worth wild trading Matt Boldy
    30 juill. 2021 à 12 h 24
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    Christian d isn't worth wild trading Matt Boldy


    I'd be hesitant to trade a center for a winger. Dvorak is also of huge need for us; now and in the future. This is only fair value trades.
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    30 juill. 2021 à 13 h 23
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    Quoting: Kartana
    I'd be hesitant to trade a center for a winger. Dvorak is also of huge need for us; now and in the future. This is only fair value trades.


    Wild wouldn't do this
    1 août 2021 à 10 h 24
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    Quoting: GenXHockey
    Really good contract? Maybe with some extra wiggle room in lineup he can produce more but 4.5m and a career high of 38 points I believe. The fact that he is owed more money than his aav just makes him more attractive to move for the Yotes.


    I took a look at his contract for fun : about 5m in salary for 4 more years. That's 500k more than his AAV, so he's barely owed more money than his AAV

    Even if MTL AGM includes Dvorak 9 times out of 10, zero reason for ARI to move him after all this reading (unless of course the other team overpay)

    Good read guys
    1 août 2021 à 10 h 57
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    Quoting: pinslack
    I took a look at his contract for fun : about 5m in salary for 4 more years. That's 500k more than his AAV, so he's barely owed more money than his AAV

    Even if MTL AGM includes Dvorak 9 times out of 10, zero reason for ARI to move him after all this reading (unless of course the other team overpay)

    Good read guys


    500k is a lot of money to the Yotes. Yotes are looking for players that are making half of their aav in real dollars.
     
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