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Équipe: 2021-22 Sénateurs d'Ottawa
Date de création initiale: 29 juill. 2021
Publié: 29 juill. 2021
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10: Chaz Lucius (or at least Cole Sillinger or Fyodor Svechkov)
39: Logan Stankoven (Pinelli, Raty, Chibrikov, Morrow, Heimosalmi also good picks)
49: Aatu Raty (Chibrikov, Kapanen also good picks)
74: Kirsanov (could probably take one of Roger or Ostapchuk here, I actually wouldn’t have minded if this pick was used on Roger but probably still a little early for Ostapchuk)
123: Dylan Duke
202: Owen Bartoszkiewicz or Florian Elias

So pissed off, look at all this undeniable talent they passed on. Absolutely horrendous draft. Boucher at 39 would have earned them praise, he’s a decent guy to take a shot on around that pick (although I did, and still do, prefer several other guys who remained on the board at 39). Boucher at 10 earns them scorn. To follow that up with three other top 75 picks generally ranked outside the top 100 (the most lenient report I could find said Roger would go in the 3rd-5th, meaning he was still a reach of at least a round) is inexcusable. We’re so close to the finish line, and yes we have a very promising pipeline, but you don’t take a dump all over that with wild early picks trying to hit low likelihood home runs when you have guaranteed talent available. Pathetic.
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29 juill. 2021 à 23 h 7
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i agree. You need to take risks and hope some guys become top 6 players
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29 juill. 2021 à 23 h 12
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i feel like this is said after every draft and were somehow fine everytime. They definitely made some wildcard picks but in a weird year with little to no scouting on a lot of guys they could have some upside who knows. i felt like they took guys with the most projectable traits (mostly size and skating) over guys with other traits they may not have been sure about without further scouting, didnt really need boucher though at 10, we already have guys like him
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29 juill. 2021 à 23 h 29
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it is almost unanimous from all pundits who make draft rankings OTT ****ed up big time, some saying OTT will not get a single NHLer from their 2021 draft
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30 juill. 2021 à 0 h 40
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i feel like this is said after every draft and were somehow fine everytime. They definitely made some wildcard picks but in a weird year with little to no scouting on a lot of guys they could have some upside who knows. i felt like they took guys with the most projectable traits (mostly size and skating) over guys with other traits they may not have been sure about without further scouting, didnt really need boucher though at 10, we already have guys like him

I know we’ve had some questionable picks but they’re always within the realm of reasonable. Like last year, Stutzle at 3 was a no-brainer, Sanderson at 5 was questionable but at least he was pretty unanimously a top 8 pick at worst and fills the McDonagh role of guy who can take heavy shutdown minutes. Greig was projected around there. Jarventie was the first stretch, projected around mid-3rd, but there was pre-draft chatter that he had all the tools and teams were considering him with a 1st (unlike any of our picks this year). Kleven was a 2nd. Sokolov was projected at some point in the 3rd. Merilainen was off the board but taking a skilled goalie with our 7th pick of the draft is a fine gamble by then. So basically, the only real reach was maybe Jarventie by a round, maybe Sokolov by half a round, all of our other first 6 picks went within like, +/- 5 spots of expected. Boucher was a reach by nearly a full round, and he was picked 10th, where the chasm is enormous (scouts generally talk about the first tier, in this draft 9 consensus skaters, and then maybe 1-2 more tiers, and then by 20-40 they could go in any order, Boucher was ranked near the bottom fringe of that category [3rd tier] and went as if he was close to a first tier guy). Our next 3 picks were all reaches by multiple full rounds. It’s fine to reach for a guy if you don’t think he’ll be there by your pick in the next round and you have him ranked maybe a few slots below your pick, but to reach for a guy that will be there at your next pick is just inexcusable imo. Boucher could turn out to be a very good prospect, but it’ll be a tough sell to be better than Sillinger/Lucius/Svechkov and Wallstedt/Cossa. Our 2nd rounders likely won’t outperform all of Stankoven/Pinelli/Kapanen/Raty/Chibrikov/etc. If they turn into good prospects it’s kinda more luck at that point. I just think Dorion refuses to draft anyone smaller than 6’2” which is kind of insane (Maroon at 6’3” and Goodrow at 6’2” were the only tampa forwards above 6’1” for the record, and nearly all of our guys are bigger than that at this point).
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30 juill. 2021 à 1 h 0
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I know we’ve had some questionable picks but they’re always within the realm of reasonable. Like last year, Stutzle at 3 was a no-brainer, Sanderson at 5 was questionable but at least he was pretty unanimously a top 8 pick at worst and fills the McDonagh role of guy who can take heavy shutdown minutes. Greig was projected around there. Jarventie was the first stretch, projected around mid-3rd, but there was pre-draft chatter that he had all the tools and teams were considering him with a 1st (unlike any of our picks this year). Kleven was a 2nd. Sokolov was projected at some point in the 3rd. Merilainen was off the board but taking a skilled goalie with our 7th pick of the draft is a fine gamble by then. So basically, the only real reach was maybe Jarventie by a round, maybe Sokolov by half a round, all of our other first 6 picks went within like, +/- 5 spots of expected. Boucher was a reach by nearly a full round, and he was picked 10th, where the chasm is enormous (scouts generally talk about the first tier, in this draft 9 consensus skaters, and then maybe 1-2 more tiers, and then by 20-40 they could go in any order, Boucher was ranked near the bottom fringe of that category [3rd tier] and went as if he was close to a first tier guy). Our next 3 picks were all reaches by multiple full rounds. It’s fine to reach for a guy if you don’t think he’ll be there by your pick in the next round and you have him ranked maybe a few slots below your pick, but to reach for a guy that will be there at your next pick is just inexcusable imo. Boucher could turn out to be a very good prospect, but it’ll be a tough sell to be better than Sillinger/Lucius/Svechkov and Wallstedt/Cossa. Our 2nd rounders likely won’t outperform all of Stankoven/Pinelli/Kapanen/Raty/Chibrikov/etc. If they turn into good prospects it’s kinda more luck at that point. I just think Dorion refuses to draft anyone smaller than 6’2” which is kind of insane (Maroon at 6’3” and Goodrow at 6’2” were the only tampa forwards above 6’1” for the record, and nearly all of our guys are bigger than that at this point).


Magic Beans. Every draft is magic beans. I get it, I'm skeptical too. That being said, I'll trust Mann due to the fact he and Dorion have a pretty good track record for projecting talent. Remember 2017 and how Ottawa had 4 picks? Formenton in the 2nd and Batherson in the 4th. Both of which are 1st round talents, IMO. Formenton with his speed and Batherson with his hands and shot. Shane Bowers was the 1st round pick and he turned into Lassi Thomson (via the Duchene trade). He also hasn't hit his stride in Colorado. Thomson is in line to replace Zaitsev eventually.

It's also way to early to tell. Boucher likely won't see NHL time untl 2-3 years down the road which is normal for a top 10 pick.

Too many variables in this draft when it comes down to it:

1- We all knew it was going to be one of the weaker drafts in terms of skill this decade. Specially after last year.

2- Pandemic really screwed and skewed a lot of these prospects out of play time. Good luck trying to play when you can't leave your house.

3- Advanced stats can only carry you so far. Eventually you need to see these kids play and not being able to, Mann probably had his team look at older footage of when they were 1-2 years younger. Saw a huge jump in Boucher's play from last year to this year. Similar to that of Pinto. Saw the potential and said, this is our guy that fits the mold.

4- The percentages of players actually playing in the NHL that are drafted in the later rounds (3-7) is minuscule. Sure, one team can find gems here and there (think Brayden Point in round 3), but it is so very unlikely they ever see anything higher than ECHL-AHL hockey.

The size of these players is fine as long as they can keep up with the play. The NHL has started to shift to big and skilled and you're going to see a lot of guys come up that are massive kids that can really skate well in a straight line.

We shall see in 2-3 years time and we'll have the same discussion after next years draft. Lots of kids got passed over in this draft that are going to really come back with a vengeance and something to prove. Could be a good one! smile
30 juill. 2021 à 10 h 17
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I know we’ve had some questionable picks but they’re always within the realm of reasonable. Like last year, Stutzle at 3 was a no-brainer, Sanderson at 5 was questionable but at least he was pretty unanimously a top 8 pick at worst and fills the McDonagh role of guy who can take heavy shutdown minutes. Greig was projected around there. Jarventie was the first stretch, projected around mid-3rd, but there was pre-draft chatter that he had all the tools and teams were considering him with a 1st (unlike any of our picks this year). Kleven was a 2nd. Sokolov was projected at some point in the 3rd. Merilainen was off the board but taking a skilled goalie with our 7th pick of the draft is a fine gamble by then. So basically, the only real reach was maybe Jarventie by a round, maybe Sokolov by half a round, all of our other first 6 picks went within like, +/- 5 spots of expected. Boucher was a reach by nearly a full round, and he was picked 10th, where the chasm is enormous (scouts generally talk about the first tier, in this draft 9 consensus skaters, and then maybe 1-2 more tiers, and then by 20-40 they could go in any order, Boucher was ranked near the bottom fringe of that category [3rd tier] and went as if he was close to a first tier guy). Our next 3 picks were all reaches by multiple full rounds. It’s fine to reach for a guy if you don’t think he’ll be there by your pick in the next round and you have him ranked maybe a few slots below your pick, but to reach for a guy that will be there at your next pick is just inexcusable imo. Boucher could turn out to be a very good prospect, but it’ll be a tough sell to be better than Sillinger/Lucius/Svechkov and Wallstedt/Cossa. Our 2nd rounders likely won’t outperform all of Stankoven/Pinelli/Kapanen/Raty/Chibrikov/etc. If they turn into good prospects it’s kinda more luck at that point. I just think Dorion refuses to draft anyone smaller than 6’2” which is kind of insane (Maroon at 6’3” and Goodrow at 6’2” were the only tampa forwards above 6’1” for the record, and nearly all of our guys are bigger than that at this point).


yeah i wouldve rather seen more skill taken over boucher for sure but i think he at least has a projectable NHL future (although the ceiling is questionable for 10th overall imo). but for the second rounders i really just dont know enough about them to actually be mad, i wouldve loved to see them take a swing on Raty (especially with their second 2nd) but i have literally no idea about ben roger or ostapchuk so ill just defer to trent mann as hes been consistently able to find quality prospects. One part i think gets overlooked with drafting is you want to draft the player who is better now, you want to draft the player who will be better in 5 years, they all have different development curves (i.e shane pinto) and i think the sens amatuer scouting team has done a good job of identifying those with strong development curves and have made enough quality selections over the last few years to at least warrant seeing the prospects play post draft before we fully question their drafting
 
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