if Pionk and Copp want too much

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Créé par: Wpgman

Équipe: 2021-22 Jets de Winnipeg

Date de création initiale: 29 juill. 2021

Publié: 29 juill. 2021

Mode - plafond salarial: Basique

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I don't think WPG should be paying Pionk anything north of 6.25 mil and Copp 3.75 mil. If this is the case- trade them.
Can we at least convince one decent UFA to come to WPG?

Signatures de joueurs autonomes

RFA		ANS	CAP HIT
Stanley, Logan		2	1 250 000 $

UFA		ANS	CAP HIT
Bozak, Tyler		2	1 500 000 $

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WPG

Severson, Damon
Choix de 2e ronde en 2022 (NJD)

NJD

Copp, Andrew [Droits de RFA]
Pionk, Neal [Droits de RFA]

WPG

Glass, Cody

NSH

DeMelo, Dylan

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TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
23	81 500 000 $	76 653 812 $	145 122 $	2 257 500 $	4 846 188 $

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Connor, Kyle 7 142 857 $7 142 857 $ AG UFA - 5	Scheifele, Mark 6 125 000 $6 125 000 $ C M-NTC UFA - 3	Wheeler, Blake 8 250 000 $8 250 000 $ AD NMC UFA - 3
Perfetti, Cole 894 167 $894 167 $ (500 000 $$500K) AG, C RFA - 3	Dubois, Pierre-Luc 5 000 000 $5 000 000 $ C UFA - 1	Ehlers, Nikolaj 6 000 000 $6 000 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 4
Stastny, Paul 3 750 000 $3 750 000 $ C, AG UFA - 1	Lowry, Adam 3 250 000 $3 250 000 $ C M-NTC UFA - 5	Bozak, Tyler 1 500 000 $1 500 000 $ C, AD UFA - 1
Harkins, Jansen 725 000 $725 000 $ AG UFA - 1	Gustafsson, David 817 500 $817 500 $ (57 500 $$58K) AG, C RFA - 1	Vesalainen, Kristian 894 167 $894 167 $ (850 000 $$850K) AG, AD RFA - 1

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Morrissey, Joshua 6 250 000 $6 250 000 $ DG UFA - 7	Severson, Damon 4 166 666 $4 166 666 $ DD UFA - 2	Hellebuyck, Connor 6 166 667 $6 166 667 $ G UFA - 3
	Schmidt, Nate 5 950 000 $5 950 000 $ DG/DD M-NTC UFA - 4	Berdin, Mikhail 750 000 $750 000 $ G UFA - 2
Dillon, Brenden 3 900 000 $3 900 000 $ DG UFA - 3	Stanley, Logan 1 250 000 $1 250 000 $ DG RFA - 2
Heinola, Ville 863 333 $863 333 $ DG RFA - 3

Laissés de côté	Liste des blessés (IR)	Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
Beaulieu, Nathan 1 250 000 $1 250 000 $ DG/DD UFA - 1		Little, Bryan 5 291 667 $5 291 667 $ C, AD M-NTC UFA - 3
Glass, Cody 863 333 $863 333 $ (850 000 $$850K) C, AD RFA - 1
Niku, Sami 750 000 $750 000 $ DG/DD UFA - 1

29 juill. 2021 à 22 h 5

Devil

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Is Pionk more of an offensive defensemen?

29 juill. 2021 à 22 h 11

Roysboy72

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Quoting: Devil1122

Is Pionk more of an offensive defensemen?

Yes

(Also happy birthday to him)

29 juill. 2021 à 22 h 12

Birtle34

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Pionk is still our best dman, if he was bigger i would take 6 please.

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29 juill. 2021 à 22 h 13

Wpgman

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Quoting: Devil1122

Is Pionk more of an offensive defensemen?

He is more offensive than Severson and plays in all situations.

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29 juill. 2021 à 22 h 17

Devil

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Quoting: Wpgman

He is more offensive than Severson and plays in all situations.

We don't need another offensive dman tho

29 juill. 2021 à 22 h 22

Devsfan25

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Deal

29 juill. 2021 à 22 h 22

Devsfan25

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Quoting: Devil1122

We don't need another offensive dman tho

This deal is too good to pass up. Pionk very similar to Severson

29 juill. 2021 à 22 h 22

arafay

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What?? No way the jets do that devils trade. Pionk is easily about the same value as severson, without the contract. With the contract situation, pionk is worth more. Pionk has 2 more years of team control and can easily be signed long term. Severson is a UFA in 2 years.

As for people saying Pionk is less valuable because he’s an offensive defensemen, WHAT ARE YOU ON AND WHERE CAN I GET ME SOME?? Why did dougie Hamilton just become like a 6th or 7th highest paid defensemen in the nhl? Both dougie and pionk can defend very well and bring a ton of offense. I’m not comparing the two because Pionk is not hamilton but just drawing a picture. Come on, give the man some respect. He was our best defensemen last year and proved he might be a top pairing guy if he can replicate last season.

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29 juill. 2021 à 22 h 26

HockeyFan989

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Quoting: arafay

What?? No way the jets do that devils trade. Pionk is easily about the same value as severson, without the contract. With the contract situation, pionk is worth more. Pionk has 2 more years of team control and can easily be signed long term. Severson is a UFA in 2 years.

As for people saying Pionk is less valuable because he’s an offensive defensemen, then why did dougie Hamilton just become like a 6th or 7th highest paid defensemen in the nhl? Both dougie and pionk can defend very well and bring a ton of offense. I’m not comparing the two because Pionk is not hamilton but just drawing a picture. Come on, give the man some respect. He was our best defensemen last year and proved he might be a top pairing guy if he can replicate last season.

It’s like to covid situation… u take it for granted and don’t appreciate it till u lose it

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29 juill. 2021 à 22 h 29

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Quoting: HockeyFan989

It’s like to covid situation… u take it for granted and don’t appreciate it till u lose it

Yep. There’s no way the jets replace pionk if they move him. Those types of players don’t come by here easily.

29 juill. 2021 à 22 h 34

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Modifié 29 juill. 2021 à 22 h 57. Raison: added chart

If they are both higher than the numbers you mentioned in the description, sign Pionk and trade Copp.

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29 juill. 2021 à 23 h 25

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Quoting: arafay

Quoting: HockeyFan989

It’s like to covid situation… u take it for granted and don’t appreciate it till u lose it

Quoting: Mr_Canoehead

If they are both higher than the numbers you mentioned in the description, sign Pionk and trade Copp.

Pionk is a Top 4 defenseman and from what I seen a great team player. If I was Pionk I would ask for a big payday. Werenski got his payday almost 10 mil. Pionk is not Werenski but he is damn good. If Werenski is 10 mil is Pionk worth 7.5 mil- maybe

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29 juill. 2021 à 23 h 30

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Quoting: Wpgman

The price for good and bad defensemen is going up. What a time to be alive when Poolman gets $2.5 million and Forbort gets $3 million. lol

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29 juill. 2021 à 23 h 39

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Pionk contract projections (evolving hockey)

Term AAV (m) Probability
1yr $4.982 6%
2yr $5.114 6%
3yr $5.891 6%
4yr $5.976 34%
5yr $6.434 7%
6yr $6.862 5%
7yr $6.418 26%
8yr $7.422 10%

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29 juill. 2021 à 23 h 44

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Far too much from Winnipeg in the Jersey trade. Pionk on his own is more valuable than Severson.

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30 juill. 2021 à 7 h 15

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Nashville isn't trading their best C prospect for an aging RHD they have no use for.

30 juill. 2021 à 7 h 50

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Wpgman

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Quoting: Windjammer

Far too much from Winnipeg in the Jersey trade. Pionk on his own is more valuable than Severson.

At this point I will give the edge to Pionk but if he is asking for big money then WPG has to explore their options.

30 juill. 2021 à 9 h 28

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Quoting: Wpgman

At this point I will give the edge to Pionk but if he is asking for big money then WPG has to explore their options.

I guess it depends on what you consider big money.

30 juill. 2021 à 9 h 31

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Don’t trade either we can make it work

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