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if Pionk and Copp want too much

Créé par: Wpgman
Date de création initiale: jui 29, 2021
Publié: 29 jui à 22 h 02
Équipe: 2021-22 Jets de Winnipeg
Explications
I don't think WPG should be paying Pionk anything north of 6.25 mil and Copp 3.75 mil. If this is the case- trade them.
Can we at least convince one decent UFA to come to WPG?
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
Stanley, Logan21 250 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
Bozak, Tyler21 500 000 $
Transactions
WPG
  1. Severson, Damon
  2. 2022 2e round pick (NJD)
NJD
  1. Pionk, Neal [Droits de RFA]
  2. Copp, Andrew [Droits de RFA]
WPG
  1. Glass, Cody
NSH
  1. DeMelo, Dylan
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
2022
WPG
NJD
CBJ
WPG
WPG
WPG
2023
WPG
WPG
WPG
WPG
WPG
WPG
2024
WPG
WPG
WPG
WPG
WPG
WPG
WPG
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2381 500 000 $76 628 811 $145 122 $3 507 500 $4 871 189 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
WPG
Connor, Kyle
7 142 857 $
AG
UFA - 5
WPG
Scheifele, Mark
6 125 000 $
C
NTC
UFA - 3
WPG
Wheeler, Blake
8 250 000 $
AD, C
NMC
UFA - 3
WPG
Perfetti, Cole
894 167 $
C
RFA - 3
WPG
Dubois, Pierre-Luc
5 000 000 $
C
RFA - 1
WPG
Ehlers, Nikolaj
6 000 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 4
WPG
Stastny, Paul
3 750 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 1
WPG
Lowry, Adam
3 250 000 $
C
NTC
UFA - 5
Bozak, Tyler
1 500 000 $
C, AD
NTC
UFA - 1
WPG
Harkins, Jansen
725 000 $
AG, C
RFA - 1
WPG
Gustafsson, David
817 500 $
C
RFA - 1
WPG
Vesalainen, Kristian
894 167 $
AG, AD
RFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
WPG
Morrissey, Joshua
6 250 000 $
DG
UFA - 7
NJD
Severson, Damon
4 166 666 $
DD
UFA - 2
WPG
Hellebuyck, Connor
6 166 666 $
G
UFA - 3
WPG
Dillon, Brenden
3 900 000 $
DG
UFA - 3
WPG
Schmidt, Nate
5 950 000 $
DG/DD
NTC
UFA - 4
WPG
Berdin, Mikhail
750 000 $
G
RFA - 2
WPG
Heinola, Ville
863 333 $
DG
RFA - 3
WPG
Stanley, Logan
1 250 000 $
DG
RFA - 2
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
WPG
Beaulieu, Nathan
1 250 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 1
WPG
Little, Bryan
5 291 667 $
C, AD
NTC
UFA - 3
NSH
Glass, Cody
863 333 $
C
RFA - 1
WPG
Niku, Sami
725 000 $
DD
RFA - 1

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29 jui à 22 h 05
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Is Pionk more of an offensive defensemen?
29 jui à 22 h 11
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Drank the Seider
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Quoting: Devil1122
Is Pionk more of an offensive defensemen?

Yes

(Also happy birthday to him)
29 jui à 22 h 12
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Bandwagon fairweathe
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Pionk is still our best dman, if he was bigger i would take 6 please.
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29 jui à 22 h 13
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Quoting: Devil1122
Is Pionk more of an offensive defensemen?


He is more offensive than Severson and plays in all situations.
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29 jui à 22 h 17
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Quoting: Wpgman
He is more offensive than Severson and plays in all situations.


We don't need another offensive dman tho
29 jui à 22 h 22
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Deal
29 jui à 22 h 22
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Quoting: Devil1122
We don't need another offensive dman tho


This deal is too good to pass up. Pionk very similar to Severson
29 jui à 22 h 22
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What?? No way the jets do that devils trade. Pionk is easily about the same value as severson, without the contract. With the contract situation, pionk is worth more. Pionk has 2 more years of team control and can easily be signed long term. Severson is a UFA in 2 years.

As for people saying Pionk is less valuable because he’s an offensive defensemen, WHAT ARE YOU ON AND WHERE CAN I GET ME SOME?? Why did dougie Hamilton just become like a 6th or 7th highest paid defensemen in the nhl? Both dougie and pionk can defend very well and bring a ton of offense. I’m not comparing the two because Pionk is not hamilton but just drawing a picture. Come on, give the man some respect. He was our best defensemen last year and proved he might be a top pairing guy if he can replicate last season.
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29 jui à 22 h 26
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Quoting: arafay
What?? No way the jets do that devils trade. Pionk is easily about the same value as severson, without the contract. With the contract situation, pionk is worth more. Pionk has 2 more years of team control and can easily be signed long term. Severson is a UFA in 2 years.

As for people saying Pionk is less valuable because he’s an offensive defensemen, then why did dougie Hamilton just become like a 6th or 7th highest paid defensemen in the nhl? Both dougie and pionk can defend very well and bring a ton of offense. I’m not comparing the two because Pionk is not hamilton but just drawing a picture. Come on, give the man some respect. He was our best defensemen last year and proved he might be a top pairing guy if he can replicate last season.


It’s like to covid situation… u take it for granted and don’t appreciate it till u lose it
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29 jui à 22 h 29
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Quoting: HockeyFan989
It’s like to covid situation… u take it for granted and don’t appreciate it till u lose it


Yep. There’s no way the jets replace pionk if they move him. Those types of players don’t come by here easily.
29 jui à 22 h 34
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Modifié 29 jui à 22 h 57. Raison: added chart
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If they are both higher than the numbers you mentioned in the description, sign Pionk and trade Copp.
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29 jui à 23 h 25
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Quoting: arafay
What?? No way the jets do that devils trade. Pionk is easily about the same value as severson, without the contract. With the contract situation, pionk is worth more. Pionk has 2 more years of team control and can easily be signed long term. Severson is a UFA in 2 years.

As for people saying Pionk is less valuable because he’s an offensive defensemen, WHAT ARE YOU ON AND WHERE CAN I GET ME SOME?? Why did dougie Hamilton just become like a 6th or 7th highest paid defensemen in the nhl? Both dougie and pionk can defend very well and bring a ton of offense. I’m not comparing the two because Pionk is not hamilton but just drawing a picture. Come on, give the man some respect. He was our best defensemen last year and proved he might be a top pairing guy if he can replicate last season.


Quoting: HockeyFan989
It’s like to covid situation… u take it for granted and don’t appreciate it till u lose it


Quoting: Mr_Canoehead
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If they are both higher than the numbers you mentioned in the description, sign Pionk and trade Copp.


Pionk is a Top 4 defenseman and from what I seen a great team player. If I was Pionk I would ask for a big payday. Werenski got his payday almost 10 mil. Pionk is not Werenski but he is damn good. If Werenski is 10 mil is Pionk worth 7.5 mil- maybe
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29 jui à 23 h 30
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Quoting: Wpgman
Pionk is a Top 4 defenseman and from what I seen a great team player. If I was Pionk I would ask for a big payday. Werenski got his payday almost 10 mil. Pionk is not Werenski but he is damn good. If Werenski is 10 mil is Pionk worth 7.5 mil- maybe


The price for good and bad defensemen is going up. What a time to be alive when Poolman gets $2.5 million and Forbort gets $3 million. lol
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29 jui à 23 h 39
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Pionk contract projections (evolving hockey)

Term AAV (m) Probability
1yr $4.982 6%
2yr $5.114 6%
3yr $5.891 6%
4yr $5.976 34%
5yr $6.434 7%
6yr $6.862 5%
7yr $6.418 26%
8yr $7.422 10%
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29 jui à 23 h 44
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Far too much from Winnipeg in the Jersey trade. Pionk on his own is more valuable than Severson.
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30 jui à 7 h 15
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Nashville isn't trading their best C prospect for an aging RHD they have no use for.
30 jui à 7 h 50
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Quoting: Windjammer
Far too much from Winnipeg in the Jersey trade. Pionk on his own is more valuable than Severson.


At this point I will give the edge to Pionk but if he is asking for big money then WPG has to explore their options.
30 jui à 9 h 28
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Quoting: Wpgman
At this point I will give the edge to Pionk but if he is asking for big money then WPG has to explore their options.


I guess it depends on what you consider big money.
30 jui à 9 h 31
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Don’t trade either we can make it work
 
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