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Sorry that doesn't make sense to me, but whatever. Okay so losing Vince Dunn does a few things for this blues team. Open up some spots and let's us develop an upgrade. Scott Perunovich to me is a better Vince Dunn. I like Scott Perunovich a lot and I think he would be a great match with Mikkola.

HOPES: I am hoping Marco Scandella is gone I don't see the need for him when any three of Mikkola, Walman, and Perunovich can step up. Now Perunovich being left handed has always played on the right hand side in college which might help with lineups.

Calgary is almost in a retool stage. I've talked to some Calgary fans they wouldn't mind trading Gaudreau. I think I gave them a fair deal for a Rental contract of 1 year. I think this helps them stock up for next year's draft and they get a Sanford who should play pretty solid in the Top 6/Middle 6 of a Calgary team. Hofer I think could be a solid goaltender for the future, something that can be switched up obviously, but Hofer has had some very solid showing in camp.

Tarasenko trade. Armstrong has already said if he can't get a decent deal setup he's just gonna hold onto Tarasenko. Islanders most likely best case scenario you get him cheaper and honestly this deal is probably going to be something that happens after the first month or two of the season where you see his production go back up. That is the key. That's when his value shoots back up. You've seen times when Johnathan Drouin wanting to be traded out of Tampa, they hold onto him for a year then he gets traded to Montreal. Tarasenko could be the exact same thing. I know Islanders fans want him at a fleece rate, but it's not gonna happen with Armstrong sorry but not sorry.

As for the Bortuzzo deal he could go anywhere doesn't have to be Toronto. Most likely isn't Toronto anyway. I think a 4th-6th is a good rate for him. He's a solid stay at home defenseman which is something teams need, Vancouver would have been a prime spot for him, but they just picked up a bunch of contracts a couple dumb ones as well so doubtful he goes there.

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A bit of shuffling around is probably a need. I don't know if Saad can be called a true 1st Line Forward, I'm not sure. I would think Johnny Hockey would send him down to a very solid second line of Saad-Schenn-Buchnevich. I think Klim Kostin steps up into a Sammy Blais role, and I know a lot of people aren't sold on him it's kind of a now or never situation with him, I think Thomas and Kyrou take significant steps into a role.

Defensively wise as I have said before Scandella Bortuzzo probably need to go. I'd love to see Mikkola-Perunovich as a pair just sounds like a match made in heaven, and you get Walman-Parayko and Krug-Faulk. It just sounds amazing in my head right now hearing it. I believe we stick to our guns running with Binnington and Husso. I know Husso had a bit of a rough year feel like he gonna do well though.
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29 juill. 2021 à 15 h 20
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That doesnt get you Gaudreau
29 juill. 2021 à 15 h 21
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i agree with these perunovich has the potential to be one of the best dmans in the league and getting started developing him at 21 will be good
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That doesnt get you Gaudreau


he's a rental. 1 year you don't get as much if you read into it.
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What about next year? Are we letting Gaudreau walk?
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That doesnt get you Gaudreau


market value on a 1 year player is around half the normal value. You see it in every big market rental free agent. Sorry to burst your bubble on that.
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What about next year? Are we letting Gaudreau walk?


I mean I wouldn't know if we re-signed him it would definitely be a lot more than what we gave up in that offer.
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I'm completely okay with this. If you take salary from NYI we'd also take Scandella.
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I mean I wouldn't know if we re-signed him it would definitely be a lot more than what we gave up in that offer.


I just feel like Army doesn’t really do rentals. If he trades for someone, he typically intends to keep them long-term. Would be tough to give raises to Perron, Parayko, and Gaudreau, though I don’t think any of them would demand significant raises unless they hit the market.
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market value on a 1 year player is around half the normal value. You see it in every big market rental free agent. Sorry to burst your bubble on that.


I mean sorry to burst your bubble but we're not actually entering a rebuilding stage.

Gaudreau isn't the rental you're after.
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he's a rental. 1 year you don't get as much if you read into it.


That might be too much for my taste then again I'm big on Hofer. I also wouldn't want to give up a first rounder for 2022.
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he's a rental. 1 year you don't get as much if you read into it.


You are assuming Calgary is 1. selling him (which they arent), and 2. Trading him for less than extension price (which they wouldnt)
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I just feel like Army doesn’t really do rentals. If he trades for someone, he typically intends to keep them long-term. Would be tough to give raises to Perron, Parayko, and Gaudreau, though I don’t think any of them would demand significant raises unless they hit the market.


After the Ryan Miller fiasco I wouldn't do rentals either. That aside, I dont think Gaudreau should be the guy the Blues go after. We need an aggressive forechecker with some grit that can put the puck in the net. If we could pry a Miles Wood type from NJ that's my preferred choice.
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I mean sorry to burst your bubble but we're not actually entering a rebuilding stage.

Gaudreau isn't the rental you're after.


I didn't say rebuild I said retool
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You are assuming Calgary is 1. selling him (which they arent), and 2. Trading him for less than extension price (which they wouldnt)


you honestly never know, if Calgary is in retool mode. 2022 1st Round is stacked you already know that. That in itself should be a great prospect piece for the long run.
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you honestly never know, if Calgary is in retool mode. 2022 1st Round is stacked you already know that. That in itself should be a great prospect piece for the long run.


They have been reported multiple times to be working on an extension right now, Gaudreau is not being moved in a retool, he was definitely part of the solution last year.

How many prospects from the 2022 draft do you actually know outside the top like 5. The top end of the draft is very strong that doesnt mean the rest is
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They have been reported multiple times to be working on an extension right now, Gaudreau is not being moved in a retool, he was definitely part of the solution last year.

How many prospects from the 2022 draft do you actually know outside the top like 5. The top end of the draft is very strong that doesnt mean the rest is


First 2 rounds are stacked.
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First 2 rounds are stacked.


according to what? We've barely seen that draft year play at all, I'll hold that opinion until after the minor leagues get going
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I didn't say rebuild I said retool


Trading our top LW and cornerstone of our offensive production is not a "retool" move, especially considering the return you have here: potentially late 1st round pick, a 3rd 2 years from now, a goaltending prospect (that we don't need btw), and a top-6 2-way forward winger (that we have multiple of already). This is the kind of return is similar to when we traded Iginla a few years back. He was nearing the end of his career and the Flames were in a full fledged rebuild mode; other teams knew we couldn't ask for much more than we got.

We're not in that position with Gaudreau, not by a long shot.

A retool move would've been Gaudreau for Tarasenko straight-up. Change of scenery for two players that each had a down season last year.
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according to what? We've barely seen that draft year play at all, I'll hold that opinion until after the minor leagues get going


You do understand I've been watching this draft class for 3 years now right. First 2 rounds is more quality than we have seen since 2015. Yes the top end is super stacked, but after that it's still holds great quality for at least the first two rounds if not more.
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Trading our top LW and cornerstone of our offensive production is not a "retool" move, especially considering the return you have here: potentially late 1st round pick, a 3rd 2 years from now, a goaltending prospect (that we don't need btw), and a top-6 2-way forward winger (that we have multiple of already). This is the kind of return is similar to when we traded Iginla a few years back. He was nearing the end of his career and the Flames were in a full fledged rebuild mode; other teams knew we couldn't ask for much more than we got.

We're not in that position with Gaudreau, not by a long shot.

A retool move would've been Gaudreau for Tarasenko straight-up. Change of scenery for two players that each had a down season last year.


Top LW would be Matthew Tkachuk at this point, and with how the Center role is, interestingly enough you won't even get close. Tell me how your team isn't in a retool. You see next year's free agency class. You guys have regressed over the past 2 years, and during yesterday Edmonton completely passed you up on the list for chances to push for playoff spots. Vancouver is on the edge as well but Seattle made a bunch of moves, and I'd bet they would do better than you guys at this very point as well. You have 12 Million in cap space to sign 5 quality players and a backup tendy. Kylington, Zadorov, Valimaki, Mackey, Dube, and Gawdin are all still neding to be re-signed. Zadorov's original ask was 5.9 Million and it just recently came down to 4 million. So that leaves about 8 Million to spend on a backup goaltender and 5 different players. Need I mention Flat cap. Tkachuk is going to get a raise, Gaudreau is going to want a raise, Mangiapane is going to want a raise, that also doesn't show you how much Monahan is gonna want in 2 years. 1st Round Pick, 3rd Round Pick, Middle 6 Forward (Played a ton of Top 6 minutes), and a quality Joel Hofer which can be switched in for someone else but Hofer is worth around probably a 2nd in terms of quality ceiling. On 1 year left on a deal. You won't get anything more for someone like this. If you want to look at players with similar production and on 1-year deals. Hall 50% retained, Lazar for 2021 2nd and Anders Bjork. 2022 1st Round Pick is better than a 2021 2nd Round Pick and I'm going to say a 3rd Round Pick, Hofer, and Sanford probably gets you more than Bjork. Plus you aren't giving up another piece like Lazar. So tell me how stupid I am when the market it set itself up that way. You really think I didn't read into it? Calgary won't have money to sign both Tkachuk and Gaudreau, and when Monahan is up in a couple of seasons from now.

The Tarasenko argument is very stupid. You guys don't even want him because you think it's a bad contract. If you want to discuss a Gaudreau for Tarasenko I would gladly look into it further, but from what recent Rental contracts got. I shouldn't have to explain the hockey world market on this, but because you are a calgary fan and you are gung-ho about him staying and re-signing guess you can say good by to Tkachuk then, but Calgary isn't getting any better. Yes guy had good numbers, but you wouldn't change anyone's minds about it being a sign and trade. You can't Boston got Hall for half his regular value long term and re-signed him. That's what this market has come to especially with what you have to sign.
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Top LW would be Matthew Tkachuk at this point, and with how the Center role is, interestingly enough you won't even get close. Tell me how your team isn't in a retool. You see next year's free agency class. You guys have regressed over the past 2 years, and during yesterday Edmonton completely passed you up on the list for chances to push for playoff spots. Vancouver is on the edge as well but Seattle made a bunch of moves, and I'd bet they would do better than you guys at this very point as well. You have 12 Million in cap space to sign 5 quality players and a backup tendy. Kylington, Zadorov, Valimaki, Mackey, Dube, and Gawdin are all still neding to be re-signed. Zadorov's original ask was 5.9 Million and it just recently came down to 4 million. So that leaves about 8 Million to spend on a backup goaltender and 5 different players. Need I mention Flat cap. Tkachuk is going to get a raise, Gaudreau is going to want a raise, Mangiapane is going to want a raise, that also doesn't show you how much Monahan is gonna want in 2 years. 1st Round Pick, 3rd Round Pick, Middle 6 Forward (Played a ton of Top 6 minutes), and a quality Joel Hofer which can be switched in for someone else but Hofer is worth around probably a 2nd in terms of quality ceiling. On 1 year left on a deal. You won't get anything more for someone like this. If you want to look at players with similar production and on 1-year deals. Hall 50% retained, Lazar for 2021 2nd and Anders Bjork. 2022 1st Round Pick is better than a 2021 2nd Round Pick and I'm going to say a 3rd Round Pick, Hofer, and Sanford probably gets you more than Bjork. Plus you aren't giving up another piece like Lazar. So tell me how stupid I am when the market it set itself up that way. You really think I didn't read into it? Calgary won't have money to sign both Tkachuk and Gaudreau, and when Monahan is up in a couple of seasons from now.

The Tarasenko argument is very stupid. You guys don't even want him because you think it's a bad contract. If you want to discuss a Gaudreau for Tarasenko I would gladly look into it further, but from what recent Rental contracts got. I shouldn't have to explain the hockey world market on this, but because you are a calgary fan and you are gung-ho about him staying and re-signing guess you can say good by to Tkachuk then, but Calgary isn't getting any better. Yes guy had good numbers, but you wouldn't change anyone's minds about it being a sign and trade. You can't Boston got Hall for half his regular value long term and re-signed him. That's what this market has come to especially with what you have to sign.


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You are assuming Calgary is 1. selling him (which they arent), and 2. Trading him for less than extension price (which they wouldnt)
29 juill. 2021 à 16 h 48
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You do understand I've been watching this draft class for 3 years now right. First 2 rounds is more quality than we have seen since 2015. Yes the top end is super stacked, but after that it's still holds great quality for at least the first two rounds if not more.


I asked you that earlier and you gave me a very vague answer that didnt tell me anything.
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I asked you that earlier and you gave me a very vague answer that didnt tell me anything.


okay do you need me to explain every prospect analysis I have done?
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Tkachuk is playing on the right wing currently, Edmonton didn't really improve, their defense is awful. Most of the prospects you named will be on either 2-way contracts or in the sub 1M deals. Calgary literally just traded for a backup goalie and according to Boston fans he is NHL ready but would have been claimed off waivers since they have Ullmark and Swayman.

At this point you are trying to justify why you want Calgary to trade the #1 player on their team to you, no thank you. We will keep him and resign him for 7-8M like the market puts him at. Flames definitely will have the money to sign all 3, look at Tampa, there are so many ways to move cap. Hell Lucic could just retire after his final signing bonus, if not he has a M-NTC and can be moved for cheap. Zadorov is probably only getting a 1 year deal.
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okay do you need me to explain every prospect analysis I have done?


No but you could have started with "Ive done a lot of homework on the draft and I can promise you the 1st few rounds are very strong" instead of stating something that any sheeple could have repeated
 
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