I'm sure if Dubas could move Reilly for a comparable return, it would have happened already.

No, Jones is ALWAYS going to get more than Rielly because he's right handed. RHD are valuable when they get out of bed. Rielly also isn't nearly as good as Jones... drop Zadina, a 1st, the 2nd and a 3rd, and the extension... that's what you're probably looking at for Rielly.

Yzerman would just laugh

But Yzerman is not dumb. Thats why

So you did this ACGM because you wanted weigh in on the jones trade?

That return is insane for Jones, he’s a very good D, and he does get the RD bonus money, but Reilly has done much more with much worse partners.

Even their +/- (which I’m using as a very very rough outline of defensive effectiveness) is within 10 points of each other. From the draft they were both in. With very similar # of games. If you didn’t see the name in their stats you might get them mixed up.

Jones is straight up not as good as Reilly (but it’s close) - I think it’s the 30+ mins he was on the ice a couple of years ago that got everyone so hot and bothered, thinking he’s a Hamilton level player. He’s a 1D, for sure, but he’s not an elite elite D (Reilly isn’t either. The blackhawks super overpaid.)

Toronto missed out. Philly made their trade. Chicago made their trade. No more teams left....

Hamtilon >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jones >>> Rielly. Jones is overhyped, bad... but so is Rielly. Look at the year he just had, he was garbage until the postseason. You really think you can get this return for that?

numbers aren't always what you need to look at.... do the players make other players around them better? how hard is the shot and accuracy. Leafs fans love to over value their players and under value others. If you were to ask me Toronto doesn't have one top D man on their team. Its a 3 man team so far with AM, MM and Ny. I dont even think Captain is top 20 players in the NHL now a days. Its a good team but the team needs to stick like a glue and they haven't shown that. Just juggling players wont do much.... they need a difference maker. I THINK! good luck to them.

I would say they are very close. Jones overrated Rielly underrated.

Rielly is overrated too... Rielly I'm not even sure is a 1D...

Thank you for proving my point.

What point, Rielly isn't underrated. People still think of him as the 70 point D man he was 2/3 years ago and that just isn't him. He's incredibly overrated. He's probably a 2D on a contender.

Rielly is miles better than Jones and when you add in the fact that his extension will likely be much lower, the trade comparable is exactly the same.

I'm sorry what? Rielly is better offensively... fine... but that's not what being a defenseman is. Jones is MILES better in his own zone... Jones is also a proven playoff performer who's done it in multiple organizations. Rielly hasn't ever played outside of Toronto. They're VERY different. Plus, JONES IS A RIGHTY, They automatically are more valuable. Lord knows why, they just are.

https://cdn.theathletic.com/app/uploads/2021/06/25230012/rielly-chart-jfresh.png

https://elitesportsny.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/jones-jfresh-362x400.png


Wanna double check your facts there ^ ... Rielly is far better, period.

https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/j/jonesse01.html

https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/r/riellmo01.html

You wanna double check yours?

Jones >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rielly, and it's not a debate

Yzerman isn't that dumb. And after just drafting Simon Edvinsson Detroit is now pretty strong at LD as well. And if i'm moving highend talent it's going to be for Zach Werenski not Morgan Rielly.

Lmao. You listed such basic stats, but when I actually list critical stats, you ignore them. K cool. Agree to disagree, there's no point in debating with someone like that.

Easy no by Detroit Zadina is part of their longterm plans

I was referring to looking at their analytics from HR, but whatever. Go be delusional up there in Canada

Lol. Hockey reference isn't the best site, it gives more analytics based on team play - the one I gave you isolates the player more and clearly shows that Rielly is better. But believe what you want, the stats are literally right in front of you telling you otherwise, some people are just too arrogant to see it I guess.

You used ESNY and the Athletic. Try using NST, EH... use a site that values QoT and QoC in thier stats and uses the same method for both instead of cherrypicking sites that fit your narritive.

Glad to see you're arrogance hasn't diminished.

Both pictures I sent links to had both QoT and QoC in them... Rielly's teammates were far better, but he also faced far far better competition. Both graphs I sent were from JfreshHockey..