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Is Bill Armstrong a genius

Créé par: Roysboy72
Date de création initiale: jui 23, 2021
Publié: 23 jui à 19 h 45
Équipe: 2021-22 Coyotes de l'Arizona
Explications
I've been loving the moves he's made recently
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
Dineen, Cam2775 000 $
Gauthier, Frédérik1750 000 $
Hunt, Dryden1750 000 $
Mayo, Dysin1750 000 $
Hayden, John1750 000 $
Steenbergen, Tyler1750 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
Oesterle, Jordan21 325 000 $
Gross, Jordan1775 000 $
Goligoski, Alex22 575 000 $
Bunting, Michael11 175 000 $
Transactions
ARI
  1. Johnson, Erik
  2. 2022 1e round pick (COL)
  3. 2023 2e round pick (COL)
  4. 2022 7e round pick (COL)
Détails additionnels:
Move picks up one year (EX: 2022->2021)
(Also, is this realistic? Value-wise)
COL
    Future Considerations
    Rachats de contrats
    • Michael Grabner: 1 258 333 $
    Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
    • Oliver Ekman-Larsson: 990 000 $ (12%)
    • Darcy Kuemper: 1 000 000 $ (22%)
    Enfoui
    • Loui Eriksson: 4 875 000 $ (6 000 000 $)
    • Andrew Ladd: 4 375 000 $ (5 500 000 $)
    ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
    2022
    ARI
    COL
    ARI
    NYI
    PHI
    SJS
    VAN
    ARI
    ARI
    ARI
    ARI
    STL
    COL
    2023
    ARI
    ARI
    COL
    ARI
    NYI
    ARI
    ARI
    ARI
    ARI
    VAN
    2024
    ARI
    ARI
    ARI
    ARI
    ARI
    ARI
    ARI
    TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
    2081 500 000 $74 297 784 $196 951 $2 150 000 $7 202 216 $
    Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
    ARI
    Crouse, Lawson
    1 533 333 $
    AG
    RFA - 1
    ARI
    Schmaltz, Nick
    5 850 000 $
    C
    UFA - 5
    ARI
    Keller, Clayton
    7 150 000 $
    AD, AG
    UFA - 7
    ARI
    Hayton, Barrett
    894 167 $
    C, AG
    RFA - 1
    ARI
    Dvorak, Christian
    4 450 000 $
    C, AG
    UFA - 4
    ARI
    Kessel, Phil
    6 800 000 $
    AD
    NMC NTC
    UFA - 1
    ARI
    Bunting, Michael
    1 175 000 $
    AG
    UFA - 2
    ARI
    Larsson, Johan
    1 400 000 $
    C, AG
    UFA - 1
    ARI
    Fischer, Christian
    1 000 000 $
    AD, AG
    RFA - 1
    ARI
    Roussel, Antoine
    3 000 000 $
    AG
    NTC
    UFA - 1
    ARI
    Beagle, Jay
    3 000 000 $
    C
    NTC
    UFA - 1
    ARI
    Hunt, Dryden
    750 000 $
    AG, AD
    UFA - 2
    Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
    ARI
    Chychrun, Jakob
    4 600 000 $
    DG
    UFA - 4
    ARI
    Goligoski, Alex
    2 575 000 $
    DG/DD
    NMC
    UFA - 1
    ARI
    Kuemper, Darcy
    3 500 000 $
    G
    UFA - 1
    ARI
    Gostisbehere, Shayne
    4 500 000 $
    DG
    UFA - 2
    COL
    Johnson, Erik
    6 000 000 $
    DD
    NMC NTC
    UFA - 2
    ARI
    Korenar, Josef
    750 000 $
    G
    RFA - 1
    ARI
    Oesterle, Jordan
    1 325 000 $
    DG/DD
    UFA - 2
    ARI
    Lyubushkin, Ilya
    1 350 000 $
    DD
    UFA - 1

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    23 jui à 19 h 48
    #1
    CGY
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    They gotta hit on these picks, but he’s done a fanatastic job!
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    23 jui à 20 h 01
    #2
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    I doubt Sakic would do that

    Value wise the comparable would be Gostisbehere which was a 2nd + 7th, Avs arent paying a 1st on top of that for an extra 1.5M per year
    23 jui à 20 h 04
    #3
    Vinnylou
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    I wonder if Edmonton trades their 1st for Dvorak
    23 jui à 20 h 20
    #4
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    COL on no planet does that trade. Trading with JB is one thing trading with Sakic is another.
    23 jui à 20 h 45
    #5
    Banni
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    Quoting: moli92
    I doubt Sakic would do that

    Value wise the comparable would be Gostisbehere which was a 2nd + 7th, Avs arent paying a 1st on top of that for an extra 1.5M per year


    Idk its somewhere in between imo. I would compare it to the ladd trade.
    23 jui à 20 h 50
    #6
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    Quoting: Im_islesforthecup
    Idk its somewhere in between imo. I would compare it to the ladd trade.


    Is Ladd ever going to play again? EJ is looking like hes ready to go next season
    23 jui à 21 h 22
    #7
    Banni
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    Quoting: moli92
    Is Ladd ever going to play again? EJ is looking like hes ready to go next season


    Armstrong said he wanted ladd to play. Plus ej has an nmc and ladd has a 16 team no trade. And johnson played 4 games last year so idk.
    23 jui à 21 h 25
    #8
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    Quoting: Im_islesforthecup
    Armstrong said he wanted ladd to play. Plus ej has an nmc and ladd has a 16 team no trade. And johnson played 4 games last year so idk.


    Even before 20-21 Ladd was mostly an AHLer. EJ missed time because of injury but when healthy is still a useful NHLer, I think that sets him apart from Ladd for sure. Gostisbehere imo is the best comparable for him in terms of a cap dump trade based on position and player quality
    23 jui à 21 h 50
    #9
    LongtimeLeafsufferer
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    Plus Johnson has a NMC. Doubt if he wants to finish his career in Arizona
    23 jui à 22 h 26
    #10
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    Quoting: palhal
    Plus Johnson has a NMC. Doubt if he wants to finish his career in Arizona

    True, but if Sakic decided he had no choice but to move a big contract I'm sure Erik would understand.
    23 jui à 22 h 58
    #11
    Banni
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    Quoting: moli92
    Even before 20-21 Ladd was mostly an AHLer. EJ missed time because of injury but when healthy is still a useful NHLer, I think that sets him apart from Ladd for sure. Gostisbehere imo is the best comparable for him in terms of a cap dump trade based on position and player quality


    I disagree. I think ghosts deal was based on a potential bounceback, ej isnt going to get better. I agree ladd shouldnt play in the nhl but thats what armstrong said thats not from me. A role player @5.5-6 million for 2 years with big injury questions. They actually sound kind of similar. Plus ej cant be sent down if wanted.
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    24 jui à 0 h 22
    #12
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    Quoting: Im_islesforthecup
    I disagree. I think ghosts deal was based on a potential bounceback, ej isnt going to get better. I agree ladd shouldnt play in the nhl but thats what armstrong said thats not from me. A role player @5.5-6 million for 2 years with big injury questions. They actually sound kind of similar. Plus ej cant be sent down if wanted.


    I just think there's too big of a gap in terms of the quality of player between EJ and Ladd to use that as a comparable. In terms of dollar amount sure, but Ladd isn't NHL quality even if ARZ plans on using him in the NHL, while EJ is. Not sure why they would want to send EJ down anyway. But at the end of the day the difference between the Ladd and Gostisbehere dumps is pretty much just an extra 2nd. Even if you split the difference that's probably around a 2nd + 3rd, maybe add another pick conditional on playing vs retiring like the Ladd deal (but in EJs case I doubt the pick would be transferred).

    I just dont think a 1st would be involved like in this posts proposal
    24 jui à 0 h 37
    #13
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    If avs were that desperate for cap space they would buy out ej for the 4m in cap relief

    Moving all that draft capital for an additional 2m in savings isn’t worth it

    Plus ej doesn’t have negative value. He had a concussion, his injury isn’t career threatening that he can’t ever play again like it’s dead money
    24 jui à 2 h 26
    #14
    Banni
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    Quoting: coga16
    If avs were that desperate for cap space they would buy out ej for the 4m in cap relief

    Moving all that draft capital for an additional 2m in savings isn’t worth it

    Plus ej doesn’t have negative value. He had a concussion, his injury isn’t career threatening that he can’t ever play again like it’s dead money


    Dead money and negative value are 2 different things. Dead money? No. Negative value? Certainly.
    24 jui à 9 h 36
    #15
    LongtimeLeafsufferer
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    Quoting: Roysboy72
    True, but if Sakic decided he had no choice but to move a big contract I'm sure Erik would understand.


    Oh, I think Johnson understands, it's just that Sakic understands that players have NMC and NTC for a reason, and that is the player doesn't want to traded to bottom feeders that have cap. Sorry Johnson stays in Colorado.
    Just like in Tampa....so many NMCs, NTCs and MNTCs. Those players don't have any reason to make it "easy" for Tampa to manage their cap.
    24 jui à 10 h 07
    #16
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    Quoting: Im_islesforthecup
    Dead money and negative value are 2 different things. Dead money? No. Negative value? Certainly.


    Duncan Keith was moved for Assets, OEL was moved for Assets. EJ if healthy will be moved for assets. He is still a good player
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    24 jui à 10 h 28
    #17
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    Quoting: coga16
    Duncan Keith was moved for Assets, OEL was moved for Assets. EJ if healthy will be moved for assets. He is still a good player

    OEL was in no way moved for assets, the picks going to Arizona are to counteract the 12 million in cap they took on from Vancouver, plus the fact that they got Garland to sweeten the deal. OEL may still be a net positive player on the ice, but he’s a negative value asset.
    24 jui à 10 h 38
    #18
    Banni
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    Quoting: coga16
    Duncan Keith was moved for Assets, OEL was moved for Assets. EJ if healthy will be moved for assets. He is still a good player


    Good point keith is a great example. But ej doesnt have positive value, its just 3/4 of cf users would be better than holland.
    24 jui à 10 h 39
    #19
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    Quoting: Roysboy72
    OEL was in no way moved for assets, the picks going to Arizona are to counteract the 12 million in cap they took on from Vancouver, plus the fact that they got Garland to sweeten the deal. OEL may still be a net positive player on the ice, but he’s a negative value asset.


    You don’t think getting guys who will be flippable at the deadline is assets, they didn’t have to pay to get rid of him, I. The end they will get a bunch of mid draft picks for roussell and beagle at the deadline bc teams love trading 3rd and 4th for him
    24 jui à 10 h 39
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    Quoting: Im_islesforthecup
    Good point keith is a great example. But ej doesnt have positive value, its just 3/4 of cf users would be better than holland.


    It’s not high value but it’s not negative value either,
    24 jui à 13 h 34
    #21
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    Quoting: coga16
    You don’t think getting guys who will be flippable at the deadline is assets, they didn’t have to pay to get rid of him, I. The end they will get a bunch of mid draft picks for roussell and beagle at the deadline bc teams love trading 3rd and 4th for him

    I mean, as a Red Wings fan I think DeKeyser could get a late round pick back if half of his cap hit ($5mil) is retained, but I wouldn’t call him a positive asset if cap would need to be retained to move him. Signing a marginal NHL player in free agency on a cheap 1 year deal would likely get better value at the deadline, and that’s easier and cheaper. Plus, I don’t see much value in Beagle or Roussel even if cap gets retained, they combined for only 9 points in 65 games last season and they’ve been steadily declining. The only one I could see getting moved for anything in return at this point would be Beagle, for a team that wants his faceoffs on the fourth line.
     
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