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what will it take for Manson

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Équipe: 2021-22 Oilers d'Edmonton
Date de création initiale: 23 juill. 2021
Publié: 23 juill. 2021
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23 juill. 2021 à 12 h 27
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Way less than that I would hope. Keith and Manson together? Ouch.
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23 juill. 2021 à 12 h 32
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Way less than that I would hope. Keith and Manson together? Ouch.


Is manson not a more defensive defensemen that hits?
23 juill. 2021 à 12 h 34
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My esteemed colleague from Toronto* has an opinion on Manson that's different from mine.

Neither Lagesson nor Samorukov moves the needle for us. Ethan Bear for Manson with 50% retention feels about right.

* actually, he's out on the prairie, but he's a Maple Leafs adherent
23 juill. 2021 à 12 h 35
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My esteemed colleague from Toronto* has an opinion on Manson that's different from mine.

Neither Lagesson nor Samorukov moves the needle for us. Ethan Bear for Manson with 50% retention feels about right.

* actually, he's out on the prairie, but he's a Maple Leafs adherent


if they trade bear then they need to sign Barrie to replace him I will see how that pencils.
23 juill. 2021 à 12 h 36
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
My esteemed colleague from Toronto* has an opinion on Manson that's different from mine.

Neither Lagesson nor Samorukov moves the needle for us. Ethan Bear for Manson with 50% retention feels about right.

* actually, he's out on the prairie, but he's a Maple Leafs adherent


Manson is a rental, no way he's worth Ethan Bear.
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23 juill. 2021 à 12 h 37
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
My esteemed colleague from Toronto* has an opinion on Manson that's different from mine.

Neither Lagesson nor Samorukov moves the needle for us. Ethan Bear for Manson with 50% retention feels about right.

* actually, he's out on the prairie, but he's a Maple Leafs adherent


I know others would not agree but Manson and Rakell for Bear?
23 juill. 2021 à 12 h 40
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I know others would not agree but Manson and Rakell for Bear?


We would probably do that, and retain, too. I'd certainly do this just to make @cd282 happy.
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23 juill. 2021 à 12 h 41
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Is manson not a more defensive defensemen that hits?


He is almost exactly like Larsson but not as good. Wouldn’t it be silly to give up assets and pay a bit more for someone you could have signed?
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23 juill. 2021 à 12 h 43
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
My esteemed colleague from Toronto* has an opinion on Manson that's different from mine.

Neither Lagesson nor Samorukov moves the needle for us. Ethan Bear for Manson with 50% retention feels about right.

* actually, he's out on the prairie, but he's a Maple Leafs adherent


Quoting: Zmach
if they trade bear then they need to sign Barrie to replace him I will see how that pencils.


Quoting: CD282
Manson is a rental, no way he's worth Ethan Bear.


Looking at the underlying stats a bit more and its clear to me that Ethan Bear is a better player than Manson even without considering contract status. So that'd be a 'no' from Edmonton.
23 juill. 2021 à 12 h 43
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I know others would not agree but Manson and Rakell for Bear?


That's not good for the Ducks, trading two of their best trade chips for Bear isn't good asset management.
I think the Ducks should move both Rakell and Manson(and Lindholm and Gibson too!) but it should be for picks and prospects, Bear is young but I don't think he really fits with Anaheim's time line to be competitive again.
23 juill. 2021 à 12 h 44
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He is almost exactly like Larsson but not as good. Wouldn’t it be silly to give up assets and pay a bit more for someone you could have signed?


Correction: almost $2 million less.

But I will readily concede that the comparison with Larsson is accurate.
23 juill. 2021 à 12 h 48
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Looking at the underlying stats a bit more and its clear to me that Ethan Bear is a better player than Manson even without considering contract status. So that'd be a 'no' from Edmonton.


We are looking for Net front defence and shutdown capability bear is statistically better because he passes the puck to nurse and gets puck on net.
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
Correction: almost $2 million less.

But I will readily concede that the comparison with Larsson is accurate.


The original trade had no retention. Manson Rackell for bear is a good deal both ways.
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23 juill. 2021 à 12 h 55
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The original trade had no retention. Manson Rackell for brar is a good deal both ways.


I like how the team looks with that trade.
23 juill. 2021 à 13 h 17
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I like how the team looks with that trade.


Ya idk if retention happens. Maybe Ducks take Turris as he is only 500k in minors and evens out contracts?

Quoting: MisstheWhalers
That's not good for the Ducks, trading two of their best trade chips for Bear isn't good asset management.
I think the Ducks should move both Rakell and Manson(and Lindholm and Gibson too!) but it should be for picks and prospects, Bear is young but I don't think he really fits with Anaheim's time line to be competitive again.


I think the timing would work. He'll be 24 this season. So a 4 year re build gets you a very good top 4 D (perhaps top 2/3 in a best case scenario). D take longer to develop so if you get the forwards it should work out IMO
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We are looking for Net front defence and shutdown capability bear is statistically better because he passes the puck to nurse and gets puck on net.


There are better ways of getting physicality than trading a cost-controlled young RD. Like, say, the UFA market.
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There are better ways of getting physicality than trading a cost-controlled young RD. Like, say, the UFA market.


name some names I will look at it.
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No Quality is the problem. Bear is only cost controlled for 1 more year. If they can make it through a year the advantage is nil.
23 juill. 2021 à 14 h 15
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No Quality is the problem. Bear is only cost controlled for 1 more year. If they can make it through a year the advantage is nil.


Manson isn't quality either though. Why trade higher value assets for him?
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Manson isn't quality either though. Why trade higher value assets for him?


2 years ago manson was Larsson I have to wonder if he can bounce back. If they can get Rik Rak and manson pans out they are an instant contender.
23 juill. 2021 à 14 h 42
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2 years ago manson was Larsson I have to wonder if he can bounce back. If they can get Rik Rak and manson pans out they are an instant contender.


There's a MUCH better chance of Bear tearing the cover off the ball than of Rakell & Manson bouncing back. Neither are young and both have seen declining results for 3 years now.

And you only have 1 shot with them too, as both are UFA's next summer. It's a short-sighted move at best.
 
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