Wings pass, we aren't giving up picks or assets at this time. We are protecting greiss and bringing back bernier after expansion draft

It was a long shot with DET indeed

This seems to be the consensus. Frankly even if no teams are willing to trade for Allen and we lose him for nothing, im not losing sleep over it.

Sure its nice to get an extra 3rd or whatever but i mean we already have the 2nd most picks in the draft so losing Allen and simply replacing him with a UFA isnt that big of a deal.....

I do not think the sharks, wings or avs accept. Korenar is the sharks future goalie, so would not want to lose him to expansion, wings need either goalie, and the avs probably won't even resign gru until after the draft.

you have until 3:00 PM (EDT) today... after that, you're doomed since the Expansion Draft roster freeze is on

Try to add a goalie UFA rights in return.

I'd take Allen for a 3rd on the Oilers.

I think it's quite the opposite actually. Bergevin acquired Allen and signed him to an extension immediately because he knew with Price's inconsistent play and injury history that he needed to lower his workload and Primeau wasn't and still isn't ready for that kind of job, still probably at least a year away. So the extension of Allen fits the timeline for Primeau to be ready for more NHL minutes. Plus Montreal has 12 picks in this years draft - 6 of them in the first 3 rounds - and already have a decently good prospect system, making it more of a possibility for them to move some of those picks to secure that Seattle doesn't touch Allen for those reasons I said, and Montreal can then control who Seattle takes.

Personally I predict that Montreal moves at least 1 of their 2nd round picks (if not 2 of them) and a mediocre prospect to have Seattle select Byron or Drouin. This actually helps protect their biggest asset more (Price) and frees up more cap space on the process.

I mean, with Weber unprotected and flirting with retirement, with Tatar walking, it really does seem that Allen will be SEA's choice. I mean, even if they're going to trade him afterwards, Allen has the highest value. Especially with a team friendly cap hit.

As far as losing sleep over it, I disagree. JAllen has been the best 2nd goalie for the Habs in the past 10 years almost hehe! Not even close. Calm, confident, solid, winning his games. He did the job. MBergevin will be disappointed in the outcome, but I do think it's over for Allen.

The other thing I'd do if I was Bergevin would be to TRY - and I want to stress TRY - to throw a 2nd round pick and a prospect for SEA to have them pick somebody other than Allen. Prospect could be Ylonen for instance. To which SEA would decline very, very quickly. And so we're back in a dead end.

Yeah, Allen's gone. Might as well keep all picks and just deal with it afterwards. Teams that have negotiated with VGK in 2017 have mostly looked ridiculous in hindsight.

The rumored cost is a 1st and a prospect.......... I understand Allen was an integral part of this team but I also understand that replacing him is not a complex task.

if the cost is indeed a 3rd, then yeah sure why not but Im not losing sleep over it if it isn't. If the Habs have to let him go to simply to sign another UFA goalie, Im perfectly ok with it. Paying any exorbant price to keep Allen is what BAD GMS do. See Vegas expansion trades. Literally all of them backfired majorly..

I think you may have misunderstood me. Me not losing sleep over it isn't because I think Allen isn't good or valuable. On the contrary. Im not losing any sleep over it because replacing him will not be hard to do. Lost of great options available. Lots of teams willing to trade goalies for picks and Habs have tons of picks.

Allen was really good this year for the Habs but he's not the only good goalie out there. Thats why im not worried.

"Rumoured cost" just remember the first word there.. that's the initial ask and that's what Seattle has been asking for from every team - negotiations always start high and come down. If Montreal came in and offered multiple 2nds instead, it's likely be a strong counter offer (or even the earlier 2nd and earliest 3rd). Also keep in mind that Montreal's 1st is 31st overall so it's not a very valuable 1st, I think to be able to move the piece they want, it's definitely in play.

I think you just proved my point though. Yes I understand that the cost would be negotiated down but the point was if its just a 3rd rounder, then maybe I'd consider it but even then I wouldn't be worried if not. Anything close to what you mentioned is ludicrous for what it would cost to REPLACE Allen by other means. We're talking about a backup goalie here.

Paying to not lose a player is ONLY viable when the player your losing is A) Irreplaceable and/or B) worth more in trade than in loss. Allen is neither.

I thought it was the 17th?

you are correct... the freeze starts at the same time than the submit list...

I don't think you fully follow my point. The idea of moving say at most the 31st overall pick to ensure that Seattle takes say Byron instead of Allen is more than just keeping a backup (mind you he's actually one of the best backups in the league). If you allow them to take Allen, you're losing $2.875M off the cap for 2 seasons and likely have to spend $2M + on a quality backup to replace him. So you're only gaining $875K in cap space, plus you're likely to overspend on a UFA as most teams do. Where as if you pay say the 31st overall pick (just an example on the high end) to have Seattle ensure they select Byron instead, it gives you more cap flexibility and roster flexibility - in this situation, you lose Byron's $3.4M cap hit for 2 seasons outright, and you can replace him with a guy on a league minimum deal or a ELC contract so even at most of an ELC at $925K to fill that spot of Byron, you're still gaining $2.475M in cap space which will help sign key RFA's like Kotkaniemi, Lehkonen, etc. and now you don't have to go out and overspend on a backup goalie in free agency. Along with that, as I said Montreal's farm system is pretty decent, not too strong but has some good pieces, so a top pick could be expendable when you remember that IF they moved the 31st overall pick, they still have the 63rd and 64th overall picks in the draft and generally the talent level between the 31st and 63-64th pick isn't the biggest either.

Would the 31st overall pick be slightly high to have Seattle pick a different player? Yeah you could argue that but I find it extremely odd how you're saying that offering the 2nds is "ludicrous" when they're both the immediate picks before the 3rd round, so they have essentially the same value as a 3rd round pick. I could very well see the deal being something like Seattle takes Byron and is compensated with the 63rd pick and a mediocre level prospect in return (maybe a Jan Mysak or Gianni Fairbrother type guy). It gives Seattle a good veteran that has proven leadership and a recent good playoff performer as well as a couple lower valued younger assets, and gives Montreal cap relief as well as a piece of mind in net.

Its smart for Seattle to ask the world as they are in no pressure to take contracts this season for assets. The same issues will face teams next year with players like Point, Barkov and Malkin needing new deals and the same flat cap. It may be more prudent to ice a decent team with term 2 years or less and try again next offseason til teams crack

Would you fear losing Skinner to SEA? Does he deserve your protection or you'd be OK giving it to Allen?

If you think trading a 1st, even a late first to keep the backup goalie, then i dont know what to tell you. That to me is terrible asset management. But you do you boo.

You ain't lucky enough to have me as your boo. Lmao.

How things have changed since you wrote that post hahahaha
Wow. Price. Now I am losing sleep. Dude, WTF is going on ???????
Price, Weber, Danault, Drouin, all unprotected: WTF!

Im still not worried. Frankly Im even more ecstatic then before.....

Seattle isn't taking Price but if for some reason they want to be bold and do, that's still a win for the Habs.

Seattle takes Price, Habs now have 10.5M to replace him and are out from under that contract which in years 3-4-5 when Price will be in his late 30's will look bad.
Seattle doesn't take Price, then nothing changes for the Habs. They keep all their goalies and lose a player that they can easily replace. Byron, Kulak, Drouin , etc.