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Eichel and Zibanejad

Créé par: Raggy
Date de création initiale: jui 15, 2021
Publié: 15 jui à 11 h 11
Équipe: 2022-23 Rangers de New York
Explications
Just messing around to see how it would work, don't think it's likely to able to get and keep both. Zibanejad probably 8+ mill a year but may take slight discount with higher term.

Gotta clear cap by moving Buch and give up young assets for Eichel.

Connor Brown trade really just for theory. Moving Buch for a less skilled but cheaper and cost controlled middle 6 winger.

By the time Kakko, Laf, Nils, Miller all need $, Kreider will no longer have a full NMC. Use that money and move other veteran depth if needed.
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
Shesterkin, Igor44 000 000 $
Howden, Brett1900 000 $
Fox, Adam87 000 000 $
Chytil, Filip22 500 000 $
Buchnevich, Pavel75 500 000 $
Kakko, Kaapo33 000 000 $
Kravtsov, Vitali22 500 000 $
Hájek, Libor2850 000 $
Gauthier, Julien2950 000 $
Gettinger, Tim2800 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
Zibanejad, Mika77 500 000 $
Blackwell, Colin32 000 000 $
Rooney, Kevin32 000 000 $
Martinook, Jordan42 500 000 $
Kinkaid, Keith2900 000 $
Transactions
NYR
  1. Eichel, Jack
BUF
  1. Chytil, Filip
  2. Kravtsov, Vitali
  3. Jones, Zachary
  4. 2021 1e round pick (NYR)
NYR
    SEA
    1. Howden, Brett
    NYR
    1. Brown, Connor
    2. 2021 2e round pick (OTT)
    3. 2022 3e round pick (BOS)
    OTT
    1. Buchnevich, Pavel
    Rachats de contrats
    • Kevin Shattenkirk: 1 433 333 $
    • Dan Girardi: 1 111 111 $
    • Brad Richards: 0 $
    ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
    2021
    OTT
    NYR
    BUF
    NYR
    LAK
    OTT
    NYR
    NYR
    NYR
    2022
    NYR
    NYR
    NYR
    BOS
    NYR
    NYR
    NYR
    NYR
    2023
    NYR
    NYR
    NYR
    NYR
    NYR
    NYR
    NYR
    TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
    2281 500 000 $81 412 301 $0 $5 350 000 $87 699 $
    Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
    NYR
    Panarin, Artemi
    11 642 857 $
    AG
    NMC
    UFA - 4
    BUF
    Eichel, Jack
    10 000 000 $
    C
    NMC
    UFA - 4
    NYR
    Kakko, Kaapo
    3 000 000 $
    AD
    RFA
    NYR
    Lafrenière, Alexis
    925 000 $
    AG
    RFA - 1
    NYR
    Zibanejad, Mika
    7 500 000 $
    C
    NMC
    UFA - 8
    NYR
    Gauthier, Julien
    950 000 $
    AD
    RFA
    NYR
    Kreider, Chris
    6 500 000 $
    AG
    NMC
    UFA - 5
    NYR
    Rooney, Kevin
    2 000 000 $
    AD, C
    UFA
    OTT
    Brown, Connor
    3 600 000 $
    AG, AD
    UFA - 1
    Martinook, Jordan
    2 500 000 $
    C, AG, AD
    UFA - 2
    NYR
    Barron, Morgan
    925 000 $
    C
    RFA - 1
    NYR
    Blackwell, Colin
    2 000 000 $
    C, AD
    UFA
    NYR
    Gettinger, Tim
    800 000 $
    AG, AD
    RFA
    Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
    NYR
    Lindgren, Ryan
    3 000 000 $
    DG
    RFA - 2
    NYR
    Fox, Adam
    7 000 000 $
    DD
    RFA
    NYR
    Shesterkin, Igor
    4 000 000 $
    G
    UFA - 3
    NYR
    Miller, K'Andre
    925 000 $
    DG
    RFA - 1
    NYR
    Trouba, Jacob
    8 000 000 $
    DD
    NMC
    UFA - 4
    NYR
    Kinkaid, Keith
    900 000 $
    G
    UFA
    NYR
    Schneider, Braden
    925 000 $
    DD
    RFA - 2
    NYR
    Lundkvist, Nils
    925 000 $
    DD
    RFA - 2
    NYR
    Hájek, Libor
    850 000 $
    DG
    RFA

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    15 jui à 11 h 13
    #1
    Rejoint: aoû 2020
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    I honestly think theres no reason the rangers shouldnt land eichel for wte it costs, Him paired with Panarin would be filthy on the top line. That being said, given the interest around the league in Eichel i think the offer is an obvious one and it starts with Kakko and this years 1st
    15 jui à 11 h 15
    #2
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    Buffalo would need Lafreniere to give up Eichel.
    15 jui à 11 h 15
    #3
    The Darkest Timeline
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    I dont think you get eichel without one high end forward going back. It can't be all futures.
    15 jui à 11 h 15
    #4
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    Quoting: habs_need_Scoring
    I honestly think theres no reason the rangers shouldnt land eichel for wte it costs, Him paired with Panarin would be filthy on the top line. That being said, given the interest around the league in Eichel i think the offer is an obvious one and it starts with Kakko and this years 1st


    I don't think the Rangers should go for Eichel unless they know Zibanejad is asking for 8.5+.

    As for the Eichel trade, all rumors have them lowering their price and I don't think they are going to get an offer that people think they might. Sabres have little to no leverage right now.
    15 jui à 11 h 16
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    Quoting: habs_need_Scoring
    I honestly think theres no reason the rangers shouldnt land eichel for wte it costs, Him paired with Panarin would be filthy on the top line. That being said, given the interest around the league in Eichel i think the offer is an obvious one and it starts with Kakko and this years 1st


    Kakko is looking more and more like a bust. I don't think he cuts it.
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    15 jui à 11 h 16
    #6
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    Quoting: Jfstompers
    I dont think you get eichel without one high end forward going back. It can't be all futures.


    All reports are sabres want futures and youth.
    15 jui à 11 h 16
    #7
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    Quoting: Leafs_and_Sens_Fan
    Buffalo would need Lafreniere to give up Eichel.


    That's just simply not true.
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    15 jui à 11 h 17
    #8
    MERCER SZN
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    That won't be enough for Eichel and why does the Norris winner take 7M?
    15 jui à 11 h 17
    #9
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    Quoting: Raggy
    I don't think the Rangers should go for Eichel unless they know Zibanejad is asking for 8.5+.

    As for the Eichel trade, all rumors have them lowering their price and I don't think they are going to get an offer that people think they might. Sabres have little to no leverage right now.


    Their leverage is that they have an franchise player under contract for 5 more years at a fair cap hit.
    15 jui à 11 h 18
    #10
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    Quoting: Devil1122
    That won't be enough for Eichel and why does the Norris winner take 7M?


    Because he forced himself to the Rangers as it's the only team he wanted to play for? I have no idea what he is going to ask but he's definitely going to give the Rangers some sort of discount.
    15 jui à 11 h 19
    #11
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    Quoting: Leafs_and_Sens_Fan
    Their leverage is that they have an franchise player under contract for 5 more years at a fair cap hit.


    10 million with a neck injury is not what I would call a fair cap hit. Very public and messy breakup between the team and player usually doesn't lead to maximizing return.
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    15 jui à 11 h 19
    #12
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    Quoting: Raggy
    That's just simply not true.


    From the NYR.
    15 jui à 11 h 21
    #13
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    Quoting: Raggy
    10 million with a neck injury is not what I would call a fair cap hit. Very public and messy breakup between the team and player usually doesn't lead to maximizing return.


    Then why are you wanting him if he's 'injured and overpaid'?

    Buffalo doesn't even trade him for Lafreniere if he doesn't want to leave.
    15 jui à 11 h 23
    #14
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    Quoting: Leafs_and_Sens_Fan
    Then why are you wanting him if he's 'injured and overpaid'?

    Buffalo doesn't even trade him for Lafreniere if he doesn't want to leave.


    But he does want to leave and he's injured. They are going to trade him at the worst possible time. Read the description, I was just seeing how it could work out to keep both. I don't trade for Eichel unless Zibanejad is asking for too much $.
    15 jui à 11 h 28
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    Quoting: Raggy
    But he does want to leave and he's injured. They are going to trade him at the worst possible time. Read the description, I was just seeing how it could work out to keep both. I don't trade for Eichel unless Zibanejad is asking for too much $.


    I'm not saying the NYR don't have the pieces to make a deal. They do... but the offer you made isn't close.
    15 jui à 11 h 29
    #16
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    Quoting: Raggy
    Because he forced himself to the Rangers as it's the only team he wanted to play for? I have no idea what he is going to ask but he's definitely going to give the Rangers some sort of discount.


    I do think he'll give them a discount but not that big of a discount. 8M at minimum. He'll most likely get 9.5M
    15 jui à 11 h 30
    #17
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    Quoting: Leafs_and_Sens_Fan
    I'm not saying the NYR don't have the pieces to make a deal. They do... but the offer you made isn't close.


    They very well need to add more, but it's not the price you and some are saying. 0% chance Lafreniere is in that trade. Swap Kakko in maybe, or add Buch to it.
    15 jui à 11 h 31
    #18
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    Quoting: Devil1122
    I do think he'll give them a discount but not that big of a discount. 8M at minimum. He'll most likely get 9.5M


    Hard to tell, wouldn't be surprised any dollar amount. I was figuring he would be seeking 8-9 mill, gives 7 mill for 8 year deal with NMC.
    15 jui à 11 h 40
    #19
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    Quoting: Leafs_and_Sens_Fan
    Then why are you wanting him if he's 'injured and overpaid'?

    Buffalo doesn't even trade him for Lafreniere if he doesn't want to leave.


    We don't want him
    15 jui à 13 h 02
    #20
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    Pass on the Buch trade. Ottawa needs C, RW & RD. Trading from a position of weakness to acquire a LW and bolster their biggest strength doesn’t make much sense.
    15 jui à 13 h 09
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    Quoting: TheBoyDuddus
    Pass on the Buch trade. Ottawa needs C, RW & RD. Trading from a position of weakness to acquire a LW and bolster their biggest strength doesn’t make much sense.

    Buch plays RW
    15 jui à 13 h 42
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    Quoting: Leafs_and_Sens_Fan
    Kakko is looking more and more like a bust. I don't think he cuts it.


    I think you're being a little harsh there. The kid is 20 years old and has scored my goals then anyone in his draft class, and is 2nd in points. Barzal, Sheifele, and Giroux were all in junior hockey at Kakkos ago. Also, the kid has already turned into a terrific 200foot player which signals that he is mature and understands the NHL game. Let's give the kid some time to figure it out. I think he is gunna turn into a great player.
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    15 jui à 14 h 17
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    Quoting: hockeyryan_55
    Buch plays RW


    He’s a left shot. Ottawa only has a handful of players that shoot right a the moment. Point still stands about trading right shot wingers for left shot wingers.

    If Stuetzle and Norris are the top 6 centres, they’re both left shots as well. Having a top line that all shot the same way isn’t ideal. Not the end of the world but I’m sure there’s a better fit somewhere else.
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    15 jui à 14 h 30
    #24
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    Quoting: TheBoyDuddus
    Pass on the Buch trade. Ottawa needs C, RW & RD. Trading from a position of weakness to acquire a LW and bolster their biggest strength doesn’t make much sense.


    Completely fair if Ottawa doesn't think it's a fit, more of a Rangers trade in theory. Point I was looking for was a cheaper middle 6 winger to plug in to move Buch, Connor Brown type of player.
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