Byron is a cap dump and Kulak is a rental with zero value.

Kotkaniemi is a good start in a package for Bert but what are the other two guys doing there?

Yeah bert for KK is a great base I think a deal can be made there but maybe not that exact deal. Cant see Calgary eating that much cash for that package. Your giving up alot of young guys for guys who are ufas in a year or 2 though.

In the end it's all on what Yzerman thinks Kotkaniemis value is to the future of the team. Considering he has 30 mill in cap space, he might think taking on those 2 contracts of 1 yr Kulak and 2 yrs Byron, is worth it in order to have Kotkaniemi for the next 10 yrs

Been reading around that CGY is looking to trade Monahan and supposedly Treliving will get something similar to what NSH got for Arvidsson. If that's the case then Evans and a 1st in order to retain 50% for 2 yrs might be intriguing to him.

Bert for KK would probably get done. There may be some extra pieces added on each side but I think Detroit would bite at adding KK.

Not commenting on value but the Nashville trade isn't the right return for Nashville to consider trading Forsberg. Our defensive prospect pool is in pretty decent shape and defensive prospects in an already crowded pool/nhl group doesn't really do us any good. We can't trade our best goal scorer for prospects that aren't in an area of need. We need high end forward prospects. On that basis, Nashville would reject. I don't really see any forward prospects that have me excited outside of the one you wouldn't/shouldn't trade (Caufield).

Geez people are really underating KK, He just got 21. I trust the kid. If Habs trade him, they gonna regret like they did with McDonagh/Sergachev.

The Kings aren’t Edmonton and thankfully Dean Lombardi is no longer our GM. That being said, Lombardi wouldn’t do this deal either.

Perhaps I'd swap some of the forward prospects I gave to SJ with the D prospects I gave NSH. I know there's no roster players going to NSH, but with the 6 mill free from Forsberg they perhaps get a decent UFA. Just a thought.

I'm sure you have your reasons. Saying that, I can see
Enough teams giving that up for Gally. Would you do Drouin for Brown straight up?

That’s lateral for us at best. Brown was our leading goal scorer and he only has one more year under his contract. The Kings would also want him to retire a King unless the centerpiece coming back is significant.

It depends obviously what they get in return AND who's gonna replace KK at 2C on the roster once he's gone. Personally KK for Bertuzzi I think it's fair only cause of the needs the Habs have to address on LW. Same situation as the Domi/Anderson trade.

IMO LA is not gonna do much this yr so I don't see Brown being that important to the team right now or the future for his stock to be inflated. Drouin at 26 might be worth adding to a young team, obviously if he gets better. And if he does, LA can still probably extend him at the most 5mill × 5 yrs. Baiscally I'm just saying it might be worth giving up Brown on his last yr for someone that can be in the top 6 for another 5-6 yrs.

We’re already taking a risk that Arvidsson bounces back with a lower cap hit. Drouin is not the right fit for LA in a hockey trade. We’re better off looking to take a bad contract where we’re gaining another asset somewhere else. I personally don’t see Montreal as a good trade partner for what LA is trying to do and what they have available to move.

I wouldn't do the deal for Hertl and Forsberg if there wasn't an agreement behind the scenes for them to extend. As for Monahan he most probably won't stick around but I think he could be very useful for the next 2 yrs if MTL is serious about winning a cup with Price and Weber. I've heard chirps that Weber will retire in 2 yrs, so the window is 2 yrs. At the same time I'm buying time till Poehling is ready to take on a bottom 6 role. He has to play at least 1 more yr with Laval. If he's ready next yr he can replace Thornton at 4C. And the yr after if Monahan walks hopefully Poehling has proven he can play 3C.

What if I added pick/s?

KK for Bert 1 for 1 is more then fair, if you want us to take both Byron and Kulak off your hands then you will need to pay us to do so. As neither holds any value to us. a 2nd round pick for Byron and a 3rd for kulak should get it done. To Detroit Jesperi Kotkaniemi+Montreals 2021 2nd round pick+Montreal's 2022 3rd round pick Paul Byron and Brett Kulak. To Montreal Tyler Bertuzzi something like that.

Yeah MTL isn't trading KK for Bertuzzi so we can forget that right away.

KK is on track to play top 6 for at least another 10 yrs. Bertuzzi has another 5 yrs tops before he starts fading. If DET didn't have the cap space I'd understand. But they do, so taking on Kulak for 1 more yr at 1.8 and 2 yrs of Byron at 3.5 is the cost of the extra 5-6 yrs of high quality service KK will provide you. I think thats more than fair.

It's just hypothetical. I'd give up KK if I have Suzuki, Hertl and Monahan in the C depth.

Yzerman wont, he'll still consider both Byron and Kulak as cap dumps and want to be paid accordingly.

Yzerman may view KK as more valuable than Bert thus negating the cap dumps.

Well yeah we all agree that KK is more valuable then Bert. Yeah for KK and 1 year of Kulak and 2 years of Byron is a great offer for us. I mean i'd do it in a heartbeat.

But in post 17 you said Bert for KK is fair 1:1 so I’m confused on your stance and why you think Yzerman doesn’t do it.

No what i said is, I'm not sure if Yzerman would take on 1 year of Kulak or 2 years of Byron without a sweetener added to them. but since we all agree that KK has more value then Bert the Byron and Kulak deals shouldn't really matter as we're still coming out on top in the end.